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Calgary26004 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [Summary of the Situation] +http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Chill/CommunityBan/loudog.pnghttp://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Chill/CommunityBan/Loudog_and_Storr.mp3http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Chill/CommunityBan/loudog_sc2gg.pnghttp://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Chill/CommunityBan/loudog_sc2gg2.pnghttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=119819¤tpage=19There was a LAN tournament hosted in DC. semih drove TAD[nnilf], LouD0G, bukkit, and Dejavu. They were to sleep at StorrZerg's house on Friday and Saturday, attend the LAN on Saturday, eat dinner on Saturday, and then return together on Sunday. The LAN had an entrance fee for the tournament to cover the cost of using the center. semih and LouD0G left the LAN center without paying. Upon being confronted later, LouD0G offered "I don't care I'm never going back there again." This left the organizers in a difficult spot as they wanted to keep a good relationship with the LAN center. In the end, the LAN center waived one of the fees, and the event's winner, SuperiorWolf, covered the remaining entry fee. He later confronted LouD0G and asked for half the entry fee from each to cover the one remaining fee. LouD0G and semih paid the requested $8. When confronted about why he didn't pay the full amount, he answered "He told us to throw him $8 so we gave him $8. That's your fault for not asking for the full amount." After the LAN, the majority of the group headed to eat dinner together. semih comments that he doesn't want to eat this dinner. TAD[nnilf] and bukkit began to eat dinner, and later decided, after semih's comment, that they would pretend they hadn't eaten. The four hang out together and act as if they hadn't eaten, and then leave the restaurant without paying. The $20/person tab is picked up by CaucasianAsian and 2 other members. On Sunday, semih wakes LouD0G up and tells him they are leaving. LouD0G asks what about Dejavu? semih replies that he has been a dick to him all weekend and he is leaving without him. LouD0G says afterwards he had no problems with Dejavu and was unsure of why they were leaving him behind, but didn't want to risk being left behind by semih as well. Apparently there was an issue that Dejavu hadn't given semih gas money, but gas money is traditionally settled up at the end of a trip, not half way. The four (semih, LouD0G, TAD[nnilf] and bukkit) leave Dejavu stranded at StorrZerg's house. StorrZerg called the three numbers he had - none of them answered. When confronted, LouD0G says his phone was dead. Later, he says it was on silent or couldn't hear it, before finally saying that semih instructed them not to answer. TAD[nnilf] PMs the following message to SuperiorWolf: "Sorry about all the confusion about storrzerg. If he faggot ass ever gets on my facebook account again I will destroy him. enjoy your PC bro and see you online. p.s. the only thing we did that storrzerg claims is true is left deja at his house because we weren't about to drive an extra 4 hours when he was a dick to us the entire weekend. Peace " In the end, Dejavu had to take a bus to get home, paid for by storrzerg's family.
There have been many, many live Team Liquid events across the globe. I myself have been to many of them from LA to Montreal to Paris to Seoul. Because of the nature of these events, they require a certain amount of trust in your community. I've hosted events in my house. I've let people sleep in my house freely. Similarly, people have invited me into their homes knowing only that I am a Team Liquid member. Many other members have similar stories of providing hospitality to strangers simply because they were Team Liquid members.
Team Liquid prides itself on having a strong, mature community. As we continue to grow in numbers, this tight-knit community is something we will fight to preserve. Believe it or not, saying you are a Team Liquid member carries weight in the RTS community across the world. I've witnessed it first hand.
Honestly, I'm shocked this situation even occurred in this community. The dollar values are irrelevant, but stealing anything from Team Liquid members is unacceptable. Moreover, leaving someone stranded hundreds of miles from his home is shameful.
"We are members of this community" is something semih, TAD[nnilf], LouD0G, and bukkit will no longer be able to say. Beyond having their Team Liquid forum accounts banned, these four are permanently banned from from any event hosted by Team Liquid (all future TSL, TL Invitational, TL Attack, etc. events). Further, if you are hosting a LAN or online tournament, we urge you to follow our lead and not allow them to participate.
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Wow.
I'm speechless.
It's a dark day when such ruffians need be cast out from among us.
Apologies to those who were mistreated!
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That is just an appalling way to act. leaving someone stranded hundreds of miles with no way of getting back is a despicable act and they really deserve more than just a ban from TL.
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I'm really surprised and disappointed in Semih. I've known Semih for a while now, and he can be an ass occasionally online, but doing this IRL is crazy. He completely deserves this ban.
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Not gonna lie, but pictures would help...so we actually recognize these idiots.
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Amen Brother.
These people are just a shame to our memory  .
Sad that people like this actually exist.
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wow, TL is such a good community and this is just purely outrageous.
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Wow. I don't even believe this. I thought everyone was better than this.
[Is Bukkit Kawaiirice? Cause I thought that was the name of his stream]
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On July 20 2010 12:13 laLAlA[uC] wrote:
Wow. I don't even believe this. I thought everyone was better than this.
[Is Bukkit Kawaiirice? Cause I thought that was the name of his stream]
no kawaiirice is the real bukkit, this other kid was a fake
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What an ass those guys have been... poor storrzerg such a good person for helping out then being picked on by assholes, you have to think about it man, teamliquid is pretty a virtuous community to each member. You really have to check some of the member's posting habit because it could potentially reflect who they are IRL.
Well, one of my dreams is to get to a team liquid event such as blizzcon or TSL etc., but maybe when I'm 28 or 27 that's when I'll get that dream 
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Kawaiirice and this bukkit are two different people dont worry.
I have not been on TL for that long, less than a year I would say, lurking or not. About 2 months into regularly posting on team liquid, I had already met a few TL community members in the Washington DC area. Went to a LAN of 30+ people, met people from all over the east coast. Some names are more well known than others, I've met Day[9], LuckyFool, CA, Storr, orb, Haemonculus, Gretorp, HotBid, Intrigue, and so many more. Everyone has always treated each other like friends and family.
It is a complete shame that something like this even happened. I have gone so many months without seeing an issue with members of TL and now this happens, and it is just sad. There are some people known for BM, but then there are people who are just assholes through wahtever medium whether it is real life or on the internet. It is nice to see that justice can be served unfortunately we had to go through such a bad experience in order for this to happen.
GG, WP team liquid.
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On July 20 2010 12:14 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 12:13 laLAlA[uC] wrote:
Wow. I don't even believe this. I thought everyone was better than this.
[Is Bukkit Kawaiirice? Cause I thought that was the name of his stream] no kawaiirice is the real bukkit, this other kid was a fake
Was about to say...
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totally stand behind this.
these people are shameful
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Ba ba ban hammered. People like this deserve to be cast out, there is no excuse for such poor behaviour. If I had the money/means to get to one of the live events I would make damn sure that I had enough money for food.
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This kind of stuff is absolutely appalling but both SC2GG and TL.net banning these guys is a great reminder of how strong this community is and how this kind of behavior is not tolerated at all. I'm definitely very appreciative of our Starcraft community, especially Teamliquid, and this is the first time in the many LANs I've been to where I've encountered such kinds of people. Didn't know that Storr paid for the ticket too, but that's another example of the great hospitality and genorosity of the Starcraft community. There is none other, and people who are malicious do not belong (and justly, they were all banned).
Here are some pictures of them (someone asked), there is some video that Rob might upload later.
http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/8928/dscn0219d.jpg First one on the left is Loudog I think, on his right is Semih. nnilf is not in the picture and I'm not sure which is Bukkit.
http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/7007/dscn0228.jpg Loudog and Semih
http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/9910/dscn0229z.jpg Bukkit, possibly, not 100% sure
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I mean this is a great idea and all but what is keep this enforced? You can easily make a new account (with a different IP Address) and they can just rejoin. Its not like they were 2k+ post users, they were all under 200 posts.
Do you have their actual names or pictures? Without that there is no way to enforce that, all you did is make them lose an identity they never really even established in our community.
Edit: Ah so there are some pictures, maybe storrzerg can confirm who is who, but still missing one guy I think.
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I know the actual full name of nnilf only, but only the first names of Semih/Loudog and nothing on Bukkit.
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Here's a pic of LouD0G I found in his profile.
![[image loading]](http://i28.tinypic.com/28gxmqf.jpg)
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EPT
