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On May 29 2012 09:59 Mattchew wrote:
I am playing the hand we were dealt WBG... I believe that playing with a player of the caliber of VE that his main read for like 2/3 of the game is almost as good (if not arguably better) than a DT check
man I wouldn't trust VE's reads any more than the average player at this point.
I assumed he was just having a bad game in Liar but if this is how he is going to continue to play then I can't say that I have that same confidence I used to have when he nailed 3 of us in storm.
I was telling the honest truth when I said I prefer SK VE over any other kind, because that was the last time I actually saw him use his brain.
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On May 29 2012 09:54 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 09:53 wherebugsgo wrote:
you opposed the zealos lynch for the longest time, and now you apparently think VE is infallible just because he flipped town.
VE was lynched not because of his plan. That's fairly obvious. His notion that I am scum was moronic. He was lynched because he claimed doctor under no lynch pressure merely to ensure that I get lynched afterward. He had no DT check of me. He had no reason at all to call me scum. He was nothing more than dumb. If you are town how do you not see this?
So now you realize that it was moronic to lynch VE instead of NT/Hiro... cool
I didn't see you opposing it.
So you were completely fine going along with it, but when push comes to shove and someone has to take responsibility it's not you, right?
Cause you have no spine.
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On May 29 2012 09:59 Mattchew wrote:
I am playing the hand we were dealt WBG... I believe that playing with a player of the caliber of VE that his main read for like 2/3 of the game is almost as good (if not arguably better) than a DT check
go read Liar Game d1.
VE's top two reads were Ace and myself. We both fucking flipped town.
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I am not lynching WBG. VE's "plan" was dumb and is bad for town. Nothing he did in this game made sense. Why on earth would I trust a player like that.
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On May 28 2012 02:01 Mattchew wrote:Ok guys, the way I see it we have 2 fights. VisceraEyes vs Wherebugsgo
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Nova_tera vs HIropro We have the 2 claims of VE (Doc) and NT (Det). I firmly believe that ANY BLUE ROLE SHOULD COME FORWARD AND CLAIM NOW, ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE ONE OF THESE 2 ROLES. Also, I believe we should be voting on the NT vs Hiro case because we get a confirmed scum out of the claim (NT if Hiro flips green and Hiro if NT isn't lying) despite how confident VE is in his read I was wrong about the Zealos vs Hiropro situation so I would like more opinions on them before I make my vote. Right now I side with believe NT and would like to vote Hiropro
On May 28 2012 02:44 Mattchew wrote:
I vehemently disagree. If VE were to flip doctor, all we are left with is his READ on WBG and we are in LYLO, just as if we flip WBG and he flips town, we are left with VE being wrong and we are in LYLO.
On May 28 2012 03:18 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 03:05 Tunkeg wrote:On May 28 2012 02:44 Mattchew wrote:
I vehemently disagree. If VE were to flip doctor, all we are left with is his READ on WBG and we are in LYLO, just as if we flip WBG and he flips town, we are left with VE being wrong and we are in LYLO. If VE flip doctor we have to deal with it then. We are left with alot other than VE's read. The reason we should lynch VE is that it doesn't make sense from a town perspective, and he is very probable scum. A counterclaim won't do anything towards this, unless it is a scumcounterclaim, which we can lynch day 4, that won't happend. You say you believe NT, now what? We lynch Hiro? What if he flips town, then we are left with nothing else than NT's claim which still might be true. And we are worse off than if we lynched VE and he by some off chance actually flips doc. VE knew that he would be lynched by claiming like that, and if he was rational when doing so he is definately scum, and have an agenda for doing so. If hiro flips town we lynch NT. Scum have had literally no reason to frame Hiro (especially after the Zealos fake claim) and if he flips miller then we got fucked and thats it. The odds are EXTREMELY higher that one of hiro/NT are scum than VE/WBG
yup im spineless
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and the liar game is a terrible example, it has 2 mafia factions and PM's. I have no idea why you would bring up a game that has close to 0 mechanics similar to this one
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how the fuck does that change anything?
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also all I can see is that you are listing possibilities.
You at no point actually took a stance of "VE must be scum because of X" or "VE must be town because of Y".
Same with hiro/NT. All you're doing is setting up scenarios and playing out future eventualities based on what is happening in the thread.
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Also, I believe we should be voting on the NT vs Hiro case because we get a confirmed scum out of the claim (NT if Hiro flips green and Hiro if NT isn't lying) despite how confident VE is in his read
The odds are EXTREMELY higher that one of hiro/NT are scum than VE/WBG
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So either froggy or myself die tonight, although at this point I think it will be froggy so that hiro doesn't die. If hiro was a townie he would die and everyone would lynch me and gg, but that won't happen.
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On May 29 2012 14:14 Nova_Terra wrote:
So either froggy or myself die tonight, although at this point I think it will be froggy so that hiro doesn't die. If hiro was a townie he would die and everyone would lynch me and gg, but that won't happen.
I'm not sure why Mafia would waste KP on their own teammate. If anything froggynoddy or WBG would get shot tonight.
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If you're town you should be ashamed of your lurking
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On May 30 2012 05:34 Katina wrote:
You're so sweet.
I have nothing nice to say to you, so for the rest of the game while I ignore you, please know it is taking my full restraint
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On May 29 2012 14:14 Nova_Terra wrote:
So either froggy or myself die tonight, although at this point I think it will be froggy so that hiro doesn't die. If hiro was a townie he would die and everyone would lynch me and gg, but that won't happen.
That doesn't make sense, why would they shoot hiro if he was town, that would show that you're either not DT or got that read wrong but obviously we know you're not scum in that situation because if you were why would you put that shot in, even if this is WIFOM it still would be pretty clear you're not scum because it would be dumb of you to waste a shot on a scummy-looking town and put yourself in danger when you could shoot confirmed town in froggy. I know you said that's why it will likely be froggy but just to be clear that it doesn't make sense for the shot to have a bearing on your or hiro's alignment.
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If I die tonight:
keep an eye on Katina and Navillus. There should probably be a scum between nova and hiro as well based on the claim, though it's certainly possible both are town because of a frame or whatever.
Nova should most probably survive tonight; if he doesn't have a check due to roleblock then it probably doesn't mean much. However if he actually does have a check then evaluate the claim based on whether the check makes sense. I am not confident in either hiro or nova flipping scum because I haven't paid much attention to either. If I had to pick one to kill I'd probably kill Nova on the notion that he actually breadcrumbed vet to fake claim that. Townies shouldn't be thinking of those types of things. Then again, townies won't often actually reveal that they were doing something like that (understand my confusion here?)
I am going to assume scum will shoot froggy and I will live, which means I'll be around tomorrow. If I die and froggy doesn't then pay more attention to his opinions. He's not infallible but he's confirmed town. So far he's been making enough sense as it is, so I would put trust into his reads.
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but WBG what about me? (/selfishness)
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I doubt I will die (cause I am probably a lynch candidate) but just in case
Originally, I did not believe WBG was scum, but after re-reading VE's cases, and his recent posts that are straight up horrible (such as telling me I didn't fight against the VE lynch and bringing up one game to try and discredit VE's skill) I believe he is scum. He is smarter than this and more rational as town.
Look at the interactions between WBG and Tunkeg, they look like scum buddies if I have ever seen them. Tunkeg has also been equally ignorant this game.
Finally I think Hiropro is possibly scum because I don't think that NT is scum and as town he has no real reason to lie about his claim/check of Hiro. I also think theres a chance that Katina flips scum, but these three strike me as stronger scum candidates
tldr; We should lynch WBG then Tunk then Hiro and hopefully win EZ mode
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Day 4![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/5uQDu.jpg) Fire never dies alone
GreYMisT knew he needed to get control of the game back into his hands, but with the burn deck of Artanis he wasnt sure how. He decided to tap 3 lands and morph one of his key cards, hoping to keep its power secrete until he could find the time to use it.
You can try to hide what you play all you want, Artanis said, but it won't work against me. And with that, 3 lands were tapped, and GreYMisT watched as his key card was turned over, and sent to the grave.
Nova_Terra, The Detective, was killed!
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/IiHrN.jpg)
Detective - You are a incredible sleuth, using your keen powers of deduction and the awesome astral charts from the seer's academy, you have the ability to inspect a player every night. You will find out if they are Town or Mafia. You are guaranteed to be sane, but beware of millers, framers and the godfather.
It is now Day 4! The day ends in 48 hours, on Thursday, May 31 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
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