• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 14:01
CET 20:01
KST 04:01
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13
Community News
[TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation12Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada4SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA8StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon!45$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship7
StarCraft 2
General
Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview [TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 3 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest Tenacious Turtle Tussle Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection
Brood War
General
FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle What happened to TvZ on Retro? SnOw's ASL S20 Finals Review BW General Discussion Brood War web app to calculate unit interactions
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] RO32 Group D - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO32 Group C - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
PvZ map balance Current Meta Simple Questions, Simple Answers How to stay on top of macro?
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Clair Obscur - Expedition 33 Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Dyadica Gospel – a Pulp No…
Hildegard
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1990 users

[TSL] Round of 8 Preview

Forum Index > PokerStrategy.com TSL3 Forum
144 CommentsPost a Reply
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Next All

[TSL] Round of 8 Preview

Text byXxio
Graphics byKennigit
April 22nd, 2011 22:39 GMT
[image loading]
Saturday April 23rd 18:00 GMT (+00:00)
Sunday April 24th 18:00 GMT (+00:00)
(Wiki)TSL3

By Xxio and tree.hugger

The TSL feels like it just started. I remember so vividly when Thorzain crushed FruitDealer on Terminus, Kas overwhelmed Haypro like a storm, and Cruncher gave us a smile that will last forever. The days have gone by fast and here we are, at the quarterfinals.

The path has been as difficult as one can be, but the players that survived this far have written their own stories. Kas, through his polished build orders and gosu building placement is now a household name. Naniwa, relentless and persistent, has warmed even the iciest of nerd hearts. Safe and solid, Adelscott won against the toughest odds. Boxer showed us that legends never die.

The eight players who made it to the quarterfinals have cemented their names in the minds of fans and players. Perseverance, skill, and courage is what they will be remembered for. As it has been in past TSLs and as it will be in future ones.


[image loading] [image loading] oGsMC vs. Prae.ThorZaIN [image loading] [image loading]

[image loading]
[image loading]


Thorzain had better be as ready and prepared as humanly possible. His build orders and reactions should be so well practised that his hands flow across the keyboard without thought. But it's the mental, not the physical that will be decisive for him. MC has played in front of a roaring, live audience. He has defeated the most venerate names in Korea and strutted confidently to his prize. His mind is sharp and hard with no room left for nerves and distractions. I am worried that he will push Thorzain to his mental limit - attack, fake, juke and harrass, constantly, in each game until Thorzain cracks under the pressure. As Arrian attests in A Finale in Five, a best of five can be a rattling, crushing experience. Against MC, an unshakable veteran with the eyes of a hawk, it only takes one slip for everything to come tumbling down.

Prediction: The way Thorzain played Tyler was conservative but also predictable. As they have never been worth so much, I am not sure how much scrutiny Thorzain's builds have taken. If MC bothers to, he might find more than one hole. But if he underestimates Thorzain, if he enters these games unprepared, he will be hard-pressed to win by experience alone. That said, I do think that MC will be familiar with Thorzain's style, and that he will have the answer to it that Adelscott and Tyler did not. Thorzain is a great player but MC is on another level.

Liquibet Stat: MC: 6249 Thorzain: 1871



[image loading] [image loading] Empire.Kas vs. Mill.Adelscott [image loading] [image loading]

[image loading][image loading]


Kas and Adelscott are like two strong, stubborn bulls about to butt heads. To generalize, they both play a safe style with only a pinch of harassment. Macro, tweak, and react is how they win games. Because they play so similarly, the winner will be the one with the most refinement. Novelty and gimmicks will have no role in these matches. I expect long macro games with the winner being decided by who edges out the tightest macro and safest defense. If the games go as I expect, it will be a wearing experience for the players. In long, drawn-out games one misjudged cycle of units can be the difference between life and death. Everything counts – each detail under your control has to be refined, every action be with a purpose.

Adelscott defeated two top Terrans to make it to the quarterfinals. His series against Qxc went the distance and showed that he has the mettle of a champion. Kas, however, is a much different opponent. He is not overly aggressive, and is more than content to win by outmanoeuvring his opponent in both macro and micro.

Prediction: Adelscott won more than one of his games against MVP and Qxc by having a clutch defence and, like an avalanche, slowly building his advantage. I do not think Kas will be as eager to finish the fight as Adelscott's past opponents. From what I have seen, he is not prone to rash decision making and has terrifying macro. Kas will take it but it won't be easy.

Liquibet Stat: Kas: 4288 Adelscott: 3770



[image loading] [image loading] Dignitas.NaNiwa vs. coL.CrunCher [image loading] [image loading]

[image loading][image loading]


NaNiwa may have qualified for the TSL as a controversial figure, but those days are somewhat behind him. Instead, he has been largely surpassed in that category by the player he faces in the Round of 8. Since steaming through the third TLOpen as an unknown, CrunCher has steadily added to his tournament resumé, and is no longer the wild card he once was. In his TSL run so far, he has defeated two fan favorite zergs in Mondragon and IdrA in forum-rage inducing fashion. To many aggrieved fans of his victims, CrunCher has come to represent everything that is wrong with protoss. Sweet revenge would come in the form of a PvP loss here.

But perhaps it is a NaNiwa who deserves that distinction. While CrunCher is the consummate protoss troll, mixing cannon rushes and six gates with the turtle'n'max strategy, NaNiwa has long relied on good old fashioned brute force to win his games. Of course, like all top players he can mix it up, and surely will in this series, but if NaNiwa's serial destruction of his MLG Dallas opponents are any indication, the Swedish protoss loves nothing more than a quick and brutal stomping.

Prediction: PvP is a weird match-up to call. The player with the advantage is the player who is most comfortable with the many permutations and reads that are required. It'll be fun to see the phoenix/void ray dynamic we've seen on rare occasions. But most likely this PvP will be won in the trenches with three and four gate micro. On the basis of his MLG Dallas run, the advantage in that category should go to NaNiwa, 3-1.

Liquibet Stat: Naniwa: 7676 Cruncher: 772



[image loading] [image loading] mouz.HasuObs vs. SlayerS_BoxeR [image loading] [image loading]

[image loading][image loading]


BoxeR was widely predicted to be the most likely Korean to fall out of the TSL in the Round of 32, and the same was true in the Round of 16. But the Emperor of Starcraft does not relinquish his throne so easily, and edged two difficult opponents to make this Round of8 appearance. Perhaps it shouldn't be treated as a surprise; this is Boxer after all, but up against yet another strong player, the creeping feeling that his luck will turn is back.

That is what HasuObs is hoping. The second ex-WC3 protoss of BoxeR's campaign, HasuObs has proven himself with maybe the most difficult TSL run so far, defeating HuK and MorroW with just a game to spare. Indeed both of these players have advanced by the thinnest of margins each time. That experience will help both in another long series, which this promises to be. Both players should also be comfortable with the external factors related to the TSL by now and these should be less of an issue than they may have been previously.

Prediction: I've bet on BoxeR's opponents twice now, and I've gotten burned. I'm not going for the trifecta. I think Boxer should have more comfort with the playing conditions than he did previously, and I think he can defeat HasuObs, especially with the help of the TvP practice he put in for his Code A match-up. HasuObs is a strong player, as evidenced by his TSL match-list, but I think the emperor has had a charmed run through this TSL that will continue at least one more round.

Liquibet Stat: Boxer: 6388 HasuObs: 2048




Cheerfuls !

[image loading]
[image loading]
[image loading]
[image loading]
[image loading]
[image loading]





This TSL is sponsored by PokerStrategy.com, the world's largest poker school and community. With hundreds of Poker VODs and an assortment of learning material in 18 different languages, PokerStrategy.com offers the chance for aspiring Poker players to learn from a beginner to a professional level. Sign up using TL's referral link.

By signing up, you can also enter the TSL3 Raffle, where you can win a 5-night trip to South Korea for 2 people to watch StarCraft live in person and tour the oGs-Liquid house.

Discuss with other fans in the TSL3 Forum.
Facebook Twitter Reddit
KTY
Fuell
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands3111 Posts
April 22 2011 22:41 GMT
#2
nice :D
fOu/Zenith/NEX/WeRRa/SlayerS
julysun
Profile Joined January 2011
United States29 Posts
April 22 2011 22:42 GMT
#3
cant wait. nice write up
if you keep doing what you've always done, you'll keep getting what you've always gotten
neobowman
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3324 Posts
April 22 2011 22:42 GMT
#4
I believe that boxer will win. Boxa hwaiting! (Only thing is missing is beating Yellow with a triple bunker rush at the finals)
dekuschrub
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2069 Posts
April 22 2011 22:45 GMT
#5
i'm really hoping for naniwa to win/take the tourney. I'm not even a protoss fan, but that guy has some serious skills
Romano
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany60 Posts
April 22 2011 22:45 GMT
#6
Very nice , I like the cheerful of MC vs Thorzain and lol @ the one of Adelscott vs Kas xP
Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
April 22 2011 22:48 GMT
#7
lol, love the cheerfuls
ModeratorFlash Sea Action Snow Midas | TheStC Ret Tyler MC | RIP 우정호
Fallen33
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States596 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-22 22:50:17
April 22 2011 22:48 GMT
#8
On April 23 2011 07:42 julysun wrote:
cant wait. nice write up



Oh yeah, what was your favorite part?



Also, soooo pumped for boxer's match. GET SOME BOXER!!
"Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever." - Napoleon Bonaparte ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Romano
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany60 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-23 08:55:27
April 22 2011 22:50 GMT
#9
you wrote "That said, I do think that MC will be familiar with Thorzain's style, and that he will have the answer to it that Adelscott and Tyler did not" But I guess you mean which Fruitdealer and Tyler didnt have!
VGhost
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3616 Posts
April 22 2011 22:52 GMT
#10
The Emperor Protects. Brilliant!

Great read, looking forward to these matches.
#4427 || I am not going to scan a ferret.
radiumz0rz
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States253 Posts
April 22 2011 22:53 GMT
#11
I hope that Boxer's preparation for his Code A match was enough for this tvp. I am voting for Boxer but the bo5 will be a battle, not a landslide.
Berkeley '10
Broodlings
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States157 Posts
April 22 2011 22:53 GMT
#12
i'm loving these hype posters
There is no Karont3 icon???? what is this madness?
GameTime
Profile Joined May 2010
United States222 Posts
April 22 2011 22:58 GMT
#13
Can't wait for these matches, 3 of them are PvT which is my favorite match up at the moment :D
Only the winner deserves to win.
slip.
Profile Joined July 2010
United States50 Posts
April 22 2011 23:03 GMT
#14
Seriously, I thought boxer was gonna be out early. Hes the fucking manheroelegend of sc.
Routing for him or cruncher :D
smoke-->drink-->craft
Gleve
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States206 Posts
April 22 2011 23:05 GMT
#15
Haha! The CrunCher hype poster is hilarious. :D
♞
Magic_Mike
Profile Joined May 2010
United States542 Posts
April 22 2011 23:07 GMT
#16
Can't wait for the Hasu V. BoxeR. Going to be epic. Also you have BoxeR's flag as U.S.
mumming
Profile Joined June 2010
Faroe Islands256 Posts
April 22 2011 23:09 GMT
#17
The Cruncher one is really good xD
syraneko
Profile Joined March 2011
6 Posts
April 22 2011 23:11 GMT
#18
O__O seriousoily cruncher odds to beat naniwa

Liquibet Stat: Naniwa: 7676 Cruncher: 772

but is a pvp its a crazy match up so anything can happen
Maasl
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany13 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-22 23:22:49
April 22 2011 23:22 GMT
#19
On April 23 2011 08:07 Magic_Mike wrote:
Also you have BoxeR's flag as U.S.


To correct this: It means the U.S. is now a new part of Boxers empire.
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
April 22 2011 23:23 GMT
#20
Well.. gonna cheer for BoXeR since there's no more zerg here.
And hope Naniwa demolish cruncher. And by demolish, i mean completly scratch his neck. :<
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
19:00
Masters Cup #150: Group B
davetesta27
Liquipedia
IPSL
17:00
Ro16 Group D
ZZZero vs rasowy
Napoleon vs KameZerg
Liquipedia
PSISTORM Gaming Misc
15:55
FSL teamleague CNvsASH, ASHvRR
Freeedom44
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Railgan 173
IndyStarCraft 126
BRAT_OK 48
MindelVK 35
EmSc Tv 12
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 22340
Calm 2273
Shuttle 812
Dewaltoss 119
Rock 50
Shine 32
NaDa 7
Dota 2
Gorgc5174
qojqva1743
Dendi976
League of Legends
rGuardiaN23
Counter-Strike
ScreaM1159
byalli655
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor511
Other Games
tarik_tv4664
gofns1097
Beastyqt566
DeMusliM326
Lowko206
Fuzer 203
Grubby0
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream7341
Other Games
EGCTV829
gamesdonequick545
StarCraft 2
angryscii 66
EmSc Tv 12
EmSc2Tv 12
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 20 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• printf 37
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• Airneanach48
• HerbMon 12
• Michael_bg 6
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 3158
• WagamamaTV397
• Ler82
League of Legends
• Nemesis3653
Other Games
• imaqtpie1420
• Shiphtur292
Upcoming Events
BSL 21
59m
Tarson vs Julia
Doodle vs OldBoy
eOnzErG vs WolFix
StRyKeR vs Aeternum
Sparkling Tuna Cup
14h 59m
RSL Revival
14h 59m
Reynor vs sOs
Maru vs Ryung
Kung Fu Cup
16h 59m
Cure vs herO
Reynor vs TBD
WardiTV Korean Royale
16h 59m
BSL 21
1d
JDConan vs Semih
Dragon vs Dienmax
Tech vs NewOcean
TerrOr vs Artosis
IPSL
1d
Dewalt vs WolFix
eOnzErG vs Bonyth
Replay Cast
1d 3h
Wardi Open
1d 16h
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 21h
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Korean Royale
2 days
BSL: GosuLeague
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
BSL: GosuLeague
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
6 days
IPSL
6 days
Julia vs Artosis
JDConan vs DragOn
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-14
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
CSCL: Masked Kings S3
SLON Tour Season 2
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.