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p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
May 08 2011 07:34 GMT
#3281
On May 08 2011 03:47 Deja Thoris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2011 18:41 tyCe wrote:
Why is progaming so desirable anyway? That's a question that I don't really understand. I mean, I would love to be an elite professional footballer, but being an elite SC2 pro is completely different. You don't have the fame except to a bunch of fat, ugly fangirls and a bunch of nerds and casuals watching at their computers. You don't have great pay compared to other jobs you could have done (assuming that your intelligence and/or charisma is the reason for your SC2 success).. Further, your career is short and it is stressful to keep your position at the time. You have no employment prospects outside of the progaming scene after your career is done either. Furthermore, your achievements mean nothing to most people. Can you imagine telling your grandchildren that in your prime you were good at computer games? Video game fan is transient. Video games don't keep their popularity for more than 10 years. Even with BW in Korea, being a BW pro gives you a huge stigma when compared to other jobs you could have done with your brilliant RTS mind, e.g. lawyering, investment banking, corporate management, or even normal jobs like accounting or administration etc.

Sorry but 300k/year is NOTHING considering that:
1. your career is transient - maybe 3-5 years max
2. you have no education and/or work experience during your progaming career
3. you have no reasonable career prospects afterwards outside SC2 or progaming; no promotion prospects; i.e. you have no valid transition out of SC2, you are "all-in"
4. no substantial contact with social networks outside gaming; i.e. 90% of the people you know are gaming and are probably your rivals at some time and place
5. you have no girlfriend or at least no fulfilling relationship with your girlfriend, unless you make significant sacrifices in your SC2 career to do so
6. you have no real job security, and you have little say in how your career will be headed; SC2 is going to die out within the 15 years, and your ability will probably be surpassed in the next 1-2 years; might also get screwed over by map makers and Blizzard patch makers
7. even your fame is very limited and very transient; your fame is limited to nerds and casual enthusiasts who watch you on their computers; this group of people are notoriously fickle and will probably latch on the next big progamer and mostly forget about you (e.g. qxc ever since he went to study in Spain, Ret ever since he left Korea, Huk ever since he stopped winning tournaments)
8. the BIG one: if you were good enough to be making 300k/yr in SC2, you are probably talented enough to be making 300k/yr in another profession that may or may not be more fulfilling to you

IMO, progaming in SC2 has too much risk and too little reward. Only those without any other realistic prospects, and those who are still in high school and have a great talent in SC2, and of course those who had an SC2 progaming career fall into their laps without trying (e.g. IdrA and other BW foreign "pros"), should be actively pursuing a career out of SC2 progaming.

For those who claim that SC2 would be a great career for those who do it out of passion and not money, well let me ask you this: How passionate will you be about SC2 when you are forced to play 12 hours a day, everyday, and have to win the next tournament or the next show match or else you cannot buy your next meal or pay your next rent? How passionate will you be about SC2 when you realise you have been a total deadbeat for 9 months, relying on the dole and your grandmother's pension while you try to mass game to catch up to the top? How passionate will you be about SC2 when you see your former peers and friends move ahead in life, marrying, having kids, buying houses, and being able to financially support it?

User was warned for this post



May we know what the reason is for the warning here? I can normally read a post and judge with good accuracy where warnings and bans will occur but I just can't see this one. Is it the nerds and fatgirls references?

He was warned for the overall derogatory tone of the post.
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lIlIlIlIlIlI
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Korea (South)3851 Posts
May 08 2011 07:41 GMT
#3282
--- Nuked ---
Joedaddy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1948 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-08 10:21:10
May 08 2011 10:20 GMT
#3283
@Hotbid

What was the purpose of posting the Idra + cruncher pic in his fanclub thread? Seems kind of mean spirited and unnecessary.
I might be the minority on TL, but TL is the minority everywhere else.
chachang25
Profile Joined March 2011
2 Posts
May 09 2011 18:10 GMT
#3284
Hi all,

Longtime creeper, basically first time poster. This question is about a former pro, Liquid`Hero aka Tom Whittier/Froz. I see him listed on the roster, and not under the former members area. Is he still active? I know he hopped on the pro poker tour for a bit, but did he put SC away?

Thanks!
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary26004 Posts
May 09 2011 18:11 GMT
#3285
On May 08 2011 13:02 Villainn wrote:
Something must of happened between Chill and Idra in game where Chill was not too pleasant with and eventually saw a reason to finally get him banned on TL using the Cruncher excuse.

It must have but it didn't. I've had beers and conversations with Idra in Korea and genuinely like him.

I think you mean "pleased with". "Pleasant with" implies that I was rude to Idra, and somehow me being rude to Idra made me want to ban him.
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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary26004 Posts
May 09 2011 18:15 GMT
#3286
On May 10 2011 03:10 chachang25 wrote:
Hi all,

Longtime creeper, basically first time poster. This question is about a former pro, Liquid`Hero aka Tom Whittier/Froz. I see him listed on the roster, and not under the former members area. Is he still active? I know he hopped on the pro poker tour for a bit, but did he put SC away?

Thanks!

In the WCG 2005 documentary thread, someone posted that he married his gf and had stopped playing games competitively.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=197809&currentpage=21#406
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=197809&currentpage=21#419
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=197809&currentpage=22#431
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=197809&currentpage=28#542
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=197809&currentpage=28#552
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=197809&currentpage=36#703
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br0fivE
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada349 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-09 22:11:09
May 09 2011 18:22 GMT
#3287

EDIT: Sorry didnt think this was a sensitive subject
and thought that you could ask anything. Thanks.
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
May 09 2011 19:27 GMT
#3288
I searched the forums but didn't find anything about this so I have a question about Liquibet;
Is there an easy way to look for specific members' Liquibet rank? For example I would like to know Incontrol's liquibet rank, without having to search through the 195 pages of the ranking.
Thanks
o choro é livre
Archas
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6531 Posts
May 09 2011 19:31 GMT
#3289
On May 10 2011 03:22 br0fivE wrote:
im not sure if this was asked, but how come incontrol isnt a banling anymore?

He resigned his position so that he could better focus his time on NASL and other such projects.
The room is ripe with the stench of bitches!
Charger
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2405 Posts
May 09 2011 19:47 GMT
#3290
I noticed the TL.net Bot continuously has a post count of 7 in the Automated Ban List. Is this account associated with some sort of higher power?
It's easy to be a Monday morning quarterback.
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19260 Posts
May 09 2011 20:07 GMT
#3291
TL.Net Bot's post count varies depending on its mood.
Liquipediaasante sana squash banana
AmericanUmlaut
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2597 Posts
May 09 2011 20:16 GMT
#3292
On May 10 2011 04:47 Charger wrote:
I noticed the TL.net Bot continuously has a post count of 7 in the Automated Ban List. Is this account associated with some sort of higher power?

TL.net Bot's count is dropping slowly over time. It is widely expected to hit 0 on January 1, 2012, coinciding with the Mayan calendar's buffer overflow error and triggering the zombie apocalypse.
The frumious Bandersnatch
Blackou
Profile Joined April 2010
France38 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-09 21:55:21
May 09 2011 20:26 GMT
#3293
ok gotcha
On April 29 2011 20:21 motbob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2011 23:44 Hot_Bid wrote:
On April 21 2011 12:11 BLinD-RawR wrote:
who is the most annoying person on TL who hasn't been banned because he doesn't break any rules while annoying you mods so much?

mod-snip


I think this is a little harsh on that guy



User was warned for this post
Charger
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2405 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-09 21:20:18
May 09 2011 20:31 GMT
#3294
^^

HAHAHA what the hell?!?

+ Show Spoiler +
Oh god damnit, I just missed like 10 minutes of the Force D3 Live Podcast trying to figure out why in the hell everyone hates me. Well played TL, well played.
It's easy to be a Monday morning quarterback.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
May 09 2011 21:03 GMT
#3295
Did nobody read the thread?
On May 02 2011 14:19 SonuvBob wrote:
Next person to quote the poll will be held to the results of the poll.



Anyways, onto my actual question. Which TL staff member had the most accurate TSL3 bracket?
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Charger
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2405 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-09 21:21:07
May 09 2011 21:19 GMT
#3296
Meant to edit previous post, not create new post. Sorry!
It's easy to be a Monday morning quarterback.
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
May 10 2011 00:58 GMT
#3297
Have you decided who will be the new TL writers?
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
Jotoco
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil1342 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-10 06:05:36
May 10 2011 04:46 GMT
#3298
two questions:

1 - Why aren't TL mods as trigger happy against bad posts that don't really read the OP, or that just agree/disagree with the OP without any additional information in threads specifically made to discuss something? (not in LR threads, where I think those agreeing/disagreeing is fine, as is cheering) I don't mean straight out bans, but at least warnings. Which leads me to the next question.

2 - Why doesn't TL deletes useless posts, even though they don't really deserve a ban (or even warning) to clean up threads? It would make things so much easier to read and discuss and engage in useful conversation.
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
May 10 2011 06:59 GMT
#3299
On May 10 2011 06:03 Varpulis wrote:
Did nobody read the thread?
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2011 14:19 SonuvBob wrote:
Next person to quote the poll will be held to the results of the poll.



Anyways, onto my actual question. Which TL staff member had the most accurate TSL3 bracket?

Seems like p4ndemik won with a score of 15. 35 points off first place right now rofl.
God Bless
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 10 2011 07:06 GMT
#3300
If every single TL staff got into a massive fist fight, who would be the last one standing?
liftlift > tsm
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