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Hello everyone,
I am a streamer here on TL and I use the twitch.tv service at the moment. When I began streaming about 4 months ago twitch.tv was the clear choice in terms of lag created in game and ease of use. There's been a lot of streams appearing lately though that are hosted on own3d.tv, namely all of the recent korean streamers.
To the point, has own3d made some noticeable changes to their streaming service in the past few months that make it a better experience for the broadcaster? When I tested it recently I could barely notice the difference but I was hoping for a few seasoned opinions on it.
Here's my set up:
i7-2700k 8 GB Ram 1 GB HD Radaeon 5700
I am broadcasting 1280x720 at the moment on twitch with a 1.5 mb up stream.
The main things I am looking for:
HD Users Feedback Upstream needed for HD on own3d #Random Viewers on own3d > or < #Random Viewers on twitch
Thanks for the feedback!
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Own3d and Twitch.tv dont magically need different amounts of upload bandwidth, the video encoding is all done on your PC (most commonly by xsplit) so it will be exactly the same bitrate, and i cant see why the output quality would be different in any way either. They are hosting sites, shouldnt be different aside from the interfaces etc.
I prefer twitch, they were among the first (if not the first) good streaming service, day9 had constant problems before he switched to them and has been fine since, they also support teamliquid.
I think the korean players use own3d because of legal or server avalibility issues etc, or maybe they were just out of touch with western esports? I have no idea, but it seems like justin.tv/twitch was THE platform before a ton of korean streamers started streaming with own3d, and there is certainly no major problems with it
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Own3d probably got popular because all the LoL players stream there. Not sure why Destiny switched though.
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Real reason why Own3d got popular is because they pay more for ads. If you're not getting paid, then use whatever you like best. As the previous posters said there's no difference other than the interface.
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On December 10 2011 07:55 JuddCaster wrote: Own3d probably got popular because all the LoL players stream there. Not sure why Destiny switched though.
apparently own3d doesn't have problems with paying out money from ad revenue to players. Twitch tv as idra stated was almost like 4 months late on sending him a check. Plus i assume destiny worked something out with them.
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own3d also seem to transcode everything you send to them, so your stream quality will never be as good as it can be with other services. Their volume slider also still plays sound at 0%, whyyyy
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I agree with everything, but I'd also like to leave three comments on the own3d player. 1. As R1CH said, the volume slider is abyssimal. It's a poor implementation with no option to click-set the volume and sometimes it plays sound at a different volume than it is set at. 2. To cancel fullscreen mode (afaik) you need to re-click the fullscreen button (or press ESC). On twitch you just click the image anywhere. 3. Upon mouse movements, a temporary top bar appears, covering any player names in SC2.
Twitch.tv wins 3-0
Just to set things straight, Day9 was with Livestream and then Ustream (thx aethereality+Ichabod) before switching to Twitch.tv.
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On December 10 2011 10:16 HellGreen wrote: I agree with everything, but I'd also like to leave three comments on the own3d player. 1. As R!CH said, the volume slider is abyssimal. It's a poor implementation with no option to click-set the volume and sometimes it plays sound at a different volume than it is set at. 2. To cancel fullscreen mode you need to re-click the fullscreen button (or press ESC). On twitch you just click the image anywhere. 3. Upon mouse movements a temporary top bar appears, covering any player names in SC2.
Twitch.tv wins 3-0
Just to set things straight, Day9 was with Livestream before switching if my memory serves me right?
Yeah he mainly switched due to the instability once he started getting more than 5k viewers for his daily. Basically if the stream died with 5k+ viewers the way livestream handled the way viewers reconnected basically made it impossible for the stream to get back up until the viewers died back down.
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On December 10 2011 10:16 HellGreen wrote: I agree with everything, but I'd also like to leave three comments on the own3d player. 1. As R!CH said, the volume slider is abyssimal. It's a poor implementation with no option to click-set the volume and sometimes it plays sound at a different volume than it is set at. 2. To cancel fullscreen mode you need to re-click the fullscreen button (or press ESC). On twitch you just click the image anywhere. 3. Upon mouse movements a temporary top bar appears, covering any player names in SC2.
Twitch.tv wins 3-0
Just to set things straight, Day9 was with Livestream before switching if my memory serves me right?
Actually, I'm pretty sure it was ustream.
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for me personally owned is better sometimes twitch starts to lag for me even my connection is good, with owned i never lag. dont know why dont know if anybody else have this problem but on twitch i cant pause the stream, ever. i have to close the window someone said that u must press esc to exit fullscreen on owned, not true, u can double click it works fine owned loads much faster for me also but both stream are pretty good, but for me owned is litlle better
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On December 10 2011 08:41 Boblhead wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 07:55 JuddCaster wrote: Own3d probably got popular because all the LoL players stream there. Not sure why Destiny switched though. apparently own3d doesn't have problems with paying out money from ad revenue to players. Twitch tv as idra stated was almost like 4 months late on sending him a check. Plus i assume destiny worked something out with them.
Something about the money situation doesnt make sense though. If idra ran a stream for a good amount of time, he could make well over $150,000 USD a year just playing about 4 or so hours a day for 5 days a week @~17k viewers.
Now I look at that number and I say no fucking way. The money might be better on the low-end but you have to know these guys cut you off at a point when they simply don't have the money to hand out anymore.
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Some month ago I couldn't even watch twitch in 240p, now it's ok up to 480p. With own3d there are no problems with HQ or lag. I guess many europeans would prefer own3d because of this.
edit: twitch.tv seems to be down atm edit2: I don't think idra could maintain 17k viewers if he streams 4-5 hours everyday.
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On December 10 2011 07:55 JuddCaster wrote: Own3d probably got popular because all the LoL players stream there. Not sure why Destiny switched though. Own3d pays more, and that's by far the most important thing for somebody who lives of the revenue from streaming.
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I'm not sure how much this factors into your decision but Twitch.TV sponsors a lot of starcraft tournaments, but that definitely means a lot for me. =]
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i started watching owned 2 years ago and never had any problems
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Twitch still way better, the only reason pro players use own3d is because of ads, you can choose to run 1/2/3 adds at the same time, god 3 adds actually is really annoying and takes long time to finish 1:30min, while one is like ye ok that's totally fine.
So pro players can earn a lot more streaming on own3d.tv compared to twich since you run only one commercial at a time, well at least that's how it is atm.
For normal user twitch.tv is way better overall.
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On December 10 2011 08:53 R1CH wrote: own3d also seem to transcode everything you send to them, so your stream quality will never be as good as it can be with other services. Their volume slider also still plays sound at 0%, whyyyy
Volume slider changed randomly. Sometimes the top is low and the bottom is loud. Just gotta fiddle with it until desired volume is found. One of the few things own3d has to sort out + Show Spoiler +On December 10 2011 10:36 aethereality wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 10:16 HellGreen wrote: I agree with everything, but I'd also like to leave three comments on the own3d player. 1. As R!CH said, the volume slider is abyssimal. It's a poor implementation with no option to click-set the volume and sometimes it plays sound at a different volume than it is set at. 2. To cancel fullscreen mode you need to re-click the fullscreen button (or press ESC). On twitch you just click the image anywhere. 3. Upon mouse movements a temporary top bar appears, covering any player names in SC2.
Twitch.tv wins 3-0
Just to set things straight, Day9 was with Livestream before switching if my memory serves me right? Actually, I'm pretty sure it was ustream. On December 10 2011 10:16 HellGreen wrote: I agree with everything, but I'd also like to leave three comments on the own3d player. 1. As R1CH said, the volume slider is abyssimal. It's a poor implementation with no option to click-set the volume and sometimes it plays sound at a different volume than it is set at. 2. To cancel fullscreen mode you need to re-click the fullscreen button (or press ESC). On twitch you just click the image anywhere. 3. Upon mouse movements a temporary top bar appears, covering any player names in SC2.
Twitch.tv wins 3-0
Just to set things straight, Day9 was with Livestream Ustream (thx Hrrrrm) before switching if my memory serves me right? Actually, it was aethereality I would stick with twitch until own3d can sort out the interface problems
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On December 10 2011 10:40 scriptor wrote: [...] someone said that u must press esc to exit fullscreen on owned, not true, u can double click it works fine
I didn't say you have to use ESC - I said it was one of two options (that I knew of). Thanks for telling about the double click
Edit: Double click to cancel fullscreen does not work if the stream has gone offline.
@Puph Fixed
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On December 10 2011 11:28 kYem wrote: Twitch still way better, the only reason pro players use own3d is because of ads, you can choose to run 1/2/3 adds at the same time, god 3 adds actually is really annoying and takes long time to finish 1:30min, while one is like ye ok that's totally fine.
So pro players can earn a lot more streaming on own3d.tv compared to twich since you run only one commercial at a time, well at least that's how it is atm. Actually from what I have seen, you are allowed to run commercials back to back on Twitch. I saw a streamer talking about it a few days ago. You could choose an allotted amount of time ranging from 30 seconds to several minutes and it seemed that the end result would be back to back 30 second commercials shown for the viewer.
I am not sure if this is available to every partnered streamer though.
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Own3d pays more - based on your viewership you can get something like $3 per 1000 impressions (if I remember right) while Twitch pays a 50/50 split.
Simply put, Own3d pays a static never-changing amount based on your ads and viewers - the incoming revenue is more steady Twitch pays 50/50 but has been around forever (I started streaming in April of 2009, long before the streaming explosion) and sponsors many e-sports companies, sites, and tournaments.
It all boils down to what your focus is - providing quality to your viewers through chat and content, or providing slightly less quality (as R1CH pointed out) and loss of web-based chat (read: easy) for slightly more money.
As for ads - if you are a streamer and desire to run ads in sequence, my script for mIRC has been doing that for some time. I do not have the embedded "sequential ads" on my main page as yet, but I dont care, as my script takes care of that for me.
I will link my script download if people ask for it - it is only of use to twitch streamers however.
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I would chose ReGame and Own3D anytime over Twitch.
Twitch has nothing. Only useful thing is the chat. Rest is crap. I can't cut up videos. I don't have statistics. I don't have categories for VOD's. All twitch has in Control Panel is some chat options and design of the page. Hell, I don't even know how to start/stop the recording of a video.
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On December 10 2011 19:15 PET wrote:I would chose ReGame and Own3D anytime over Twitch. Twitch has nothing. Only useful thing is the chat. Rest is crap. I can't cut up videos. I don't have statistics. I don't have categories for VOD's. All twitch has in Control Panel is some chat options and design of the page. Hell, I don't even know how to start/stop the recording of a video. aka u're a noob and it's twitch's fault
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Twitch pays 2$ per 1000ads, own3d pays 3$ per 1000ads if you have over 1k viewers on average, thats why people change to own3d.
For me own3d has a LOT less lag here but the chat system is horrible and vod system is completely useless.
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From a viewer point: Twitch lags more for me, the quality is much lower on HD. I am happy everytime I see owned used over twitch.
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On December 10 2011 19:22 nttea wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 19:15 PET wrote:I would chose ReGame and Own3D anytime over Twitch. Twitch has nothing. Only useful thing is the chat. Rest is crap. I can't cut up videos. I don't have statistics. I don't have categories for VOD's. All twitch has in Control Panel is some chat options and design of the page. Hell, I don't even know how to start/stop the recording of a video. aka u're a noob and it's twitch's fault
Thanks for creating such an useful and interesting post.
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I have a good connection but a lot of problem with Twitch/Justin. Sometimes it works, sometimes I have big lag.... (even at 720/480p).
I'm so happy when own3d is used. I never had problem with own3d in HD.
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On December 10 2011 19:15 PET wrote:I would chose ReGame and Own3D anytime over Twitch. Twitch has nothing. Only useful thing is the chat. Rest is crap. I can't cut up videos. I don't have statistics. I don't have categories for VOD's. All twitch has in Control Panel is some chat options and design of the page. Hell, I don't even know how to start/stop the recording of a video. There are statistics at twitch.tv (way better ones actually than at own3d or others with extremely detailled information and charts...) and you just have to know that twitch records everything.
For me the twitch.tv is the best streaming site. First of all they sponsor many esport events (and TL <3) and their interface is the best. Why would own3d hide the interface when you don't have the stream maximized? You have a lot of space anyways since you don't want to see every detail because if you would, you would have maximized it. The sound slider only works if you klick the middle of the circle. If you click 1 pixel too far left etc. the slider will move, but the sound won't change. The TOP overlay doesn't tell me anything I need to know when I#m watching the stream, it just makes me unable to see the supply counts. When you load a own3d stream you have about 15 seconds a pixelated image with pictures from minutes ago mixed with the one streaming now and you can't agnize anything. The stop and reload button don't actually work how they are supposed to. If the stream crashes you need to F5 the whole site because the reload button doesnt do anythinh. For regame.tv you have to wait 30 seconds until the image shows the stream and not just black. The sound slider is really small and you can't easyily see to what it's at. All these things twitch/justin.tv as perfectly sorted out which is why I prefer it heavily over any other streamin site.
To the question of the OP. The streaming site you use shouldn't change anything for your computer like Lag.
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From my experience watching the WCG streams and Destiny since he switched, I get a lot of problems with ads and discoloration while watching the stream. Twitch's ads have their problems but they are really good about pulling an ad. I prefer Twitch simply because they support TL and also seem to respond quite quickly to tech issues. Also there use of reddit shows how much they care about the community feedback.
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On December 10 2011 10:36 aethereality wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 10:16 HellGreen wrote: I agree with everything, but I'd also like to leave three comments on the own3d player. 1. As R!CH said, the volume slider is abyssimal. It's a poor implementation with no option to click-set the volume and sometimes it plays sound at a different volume than it is set at. 2. To cancel fullscreen mode you need to re-click the fullscreen button (or press ESC). On twitch you just click the image anywhere. 3. Upon mouse movements a temporary top bar appears, covering any player names in SC2.
Twitch.tv wins 3-0
Just to set things straight, Day9 was with Livestream before switching if my memory serves me right? Actually, I'm pretty sure it was ustream.
Day9 started his daily on Livestream(way back when everyone was streaming on livestream, lol) and switched to ustream a while ago due to lag issues. UStream also ended up being problematic so he switched at some point, I don't remember when.
Also, to address hellgreen's complaint number 2 about owned tv, double clicking exits fullscreen for me.
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I guess not everyone has this problem but the twitch servers seem like playing the lottery at times. One server will pull 250KB/s for 1080p and others can't even keep a 360p lag free struggling to feed me 80-100KB's
Twitch's has the interface, own3d seems to have better infrastructure. I never get lag there.
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On December 10 2011 10:49 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 08:41 Boblhead wrote:On December 10 2011 07:55 JuddCaster wrote: Own3d probably got popular because all the LoL players stream there. Not sure why Destiny switched though. apparently own3d doesn't have problems with paying out money from ad revenue to players. Twitch tv as idra stated was almost like 4 months late on sending him a check. Plus i assume destiny worked something out with them. Something about the money situation doesnt make sense though. If idra ran a stream for a good amount of time, he could make well over $150,000 USD a year just playing about 4 or so hours a day for 5 days a week @~17k viewers. Now I look at that number and I say no fucking way. The money might be better on the low-end but you have to know these guys cut you off at a point when they simply don't have the money to hand out anymore. I would assume they would make a system where they would make a profit off of every commercial, regardless of how much they had to give a player in total. So Twitch would make more money then IdrA, even if all their money came from his stream and therefore could give him that much.
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Own3d needs a feature that shows who is online, as not all progamers have a account on TL :S
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twitch.tv is really laggy and stuttering for the past few months.. i can watch anything on own3d and can barely watch twitch.tv on 480p lagfree for 4 seconds ~~ Its really annoying for me because most of the SC2 stuff is broadcasted on twitch.tv and its just impossible to watch. Lags even on 240p
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I have first world internet and my problem with own3d is that the quality is less than advertised because of server side transcoding as R1CH pointed out and the sound quality of the streamers that do go there is often horrible, so I mute it. Own3d just doesnt seem very high quality and very corner-cutting.
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twitch.tv is $5 per 1000 impressions for this month
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Twitch seems to have worked better for me so far.
I like watching lower quality non-hd streams at night before I sleep (HD has too much detail and is too visually stimulating to let me sleep), and I've had a problem with trying to switch to 360p from HD at times.on Own3D. Edit: I think this issue may have been fixed though after trying a couple streams out =)
Also I prefer Twitch's interface and there are no problems with discoloration ever.
I guess its a bonus that Twitch tries to listen to feedback and has a community presence, as well as supporting esports.
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The only reason why pros use own3d is that it pays more. The service provided by Twitch for me as a viewer is many, many times better than own3d: The volume slider actually works and I actually have the 'choice' to ad-block if I so wish (something I find is good considering I'm regularly put through the same ad sometimes 3 times in a row with own3d and there's nothing I can do about it).
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On December 10 2011 19:46 PET wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 19:22 nttea wrote:On December 10 2011 19:15 PET wrote:I would chose ReGame and Own3D anytime over Twitch. Twitch has nothing. Only useful thing is the chat. Rest is crap. I can't cut up videos. I don't have statistics. I don't have categories for VOD's. All twitch has in Control Panel is some chat options and design of the page. Hell, I don't even know how to start/stop the recording of a video. aka u're a noob and it's twitch's fault Thanks for creating such an useful and interesting post. eh.. im sorry i must have been in a bad mood or something... reading your post now i don't see why i would reply like that.
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Imo, i think that Own3d is better, less lag for me
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On December 10 2011 19:15 PET wrote:I would chose ReGame and Own3D anytime over Twitch. Twitch has nothing. Only useful thing is the chat. Rest is crap. I can't cut up videos. I don't have statistics. I don't have categories for VOD's. All twitch has in Control Panel is some chat options and design of the page. Hell, I don't even know how to start/stop the recording of a video.
1. You can cut up videos on Twitch (create highlights) 2. Statistics of what? Followers? Viewers? Views? Cause Twitch has that 3. To stop the recording of a video you hit the stop button or if you use xsplit you just click your channel again.
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Own3d is simply paying their top streamers more than Twitch pays their top streamers. I think from a technology standpoint that Twitch is the optimal choice for both streamers and viewers though.
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if we have numbers here maybe we can drop ours too
this are the default standard revenue share rates for regame.tv since 5 months now:
3.6$ for Germany, Finland, Denmark, Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Spain
2$ for all other countries
The fillrate for the last 30 days was 74,22%
Broadcasters with more then 100.000 monthly impressions can apply for a higher revenue rate, up to 5.5 $ for Europe and 4$ for U.S
maybe people sometimes need to check out the little ones too. Little doesnt mean there is not sufficient bandwidth available. We alone operate a 37Gbit/s infastructure and do not even saturate 10% of it most of the time.
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On January 01 2012 02:17 flyersa wrote:if we have numbers here maybe we can drop ours too this are the default standard revenue share rates for regame.tv since 5 months now: 3.6$ for Germany, Finland, Denmark, Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Spain 2$ for all other countries The fillrate for the last 30 days was 74,22% Broadcasters with more then 100.000 monthly impressions can apply for a higher revenue rate, up to 5.5 $ for Europe and 4$ for U.S maybe people sometimes need to check out the little ones too. Little doesnt mean there is not sufficient bandwidth available. We alone operate a 37Gbit/s infastructure and do not even saturate 10% of it most of the time.
But this is pr 1000 viewers right? If I am not mistaken then justin give you 2 dollar pr 1000 viewer pr commercial. Does your site offer any "/commercial" commands?
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it is per 1000 commercials. a commercial command is available but is limited to 4 commercials per hour to avoid abuse.
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On December 10 2011 08:53 R1CH wrote: own3d also seem to transcode everything you send to them, so your stream quality will never be as good as it can be with other services. Their volume slider also still plays sound at 0%, whyyyy Weired, since owned streams have a much higher quality than twitch on HD. Also twitch is a lagfest for me, though that might be a regional problem.
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On January 01 2012 09:02 grs wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 08:53 R1CH wrote: own3d also seem to transcode everything you send to them, so your stream quality will never be as good as it can be with other services. Their volume slider also still plays sound at 0%, whyyyy Weired, since owned streams have a much higher quality than twitch on HD. Also twitch is a lagfest for me, though that might be a regional problem.
Explain from a technical standpoint how it would be possible for Own3d to show notably higher quality streams than twitch when all encoding is done client side?
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On January 01 2012 09:08 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 09:02 grs wrote:On December 10 2011 08:53 R1CH wrote: own3d also seem to transcode everything you send to them, so your stream quality will never be as good as it can be with other services. Their volume slider also still plays sound at 0%, whyyyy Weired, since owned streams have a much higher quality than twitch on HD. Also twitch is a lagfest for me, though that might be a regional problem. Explain from a technical standpoint how it would be possible for Own3d to show notably higher quality streams than twitch when all encoding is done client side? Why should I have to explain that from a technical standpoint? The quality is higher, that is enough for me. Also I seriously doubt all encoding is done on the client side, but that is not mine to explain. Twitch quality lowers if there is much (EDIT: and much is not really that much even; it pixels if there are some units moving) going on, while owned does not.
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On January 01 2012 09:12 grs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 09:08 Cyro wrote:On January 01 2012 09:02 grs wrote:On December 10 2011 08:53 R1CH wrote: own3d also seem to transcode everything you send to them, so your stream quality will never be as good as it can be with other services. Their volume slider also still plays sound at 0%, whyyyy Weired, since owned streams have a much higher quality than twitch on HD. Also twitch is a lagfest for me, though that might be a regional problem. Explain from a technical standpoint how it would be possible for Own3d to show notably higher quality streams than twitch when all encoding is done client side? Why should I have to explain that from a technical standpoint? The quality is higher, that is enough for me. Also I seriously doubt all encoding is done on the client side, but that is not mine to explain. Twitch quality lowers if there is much (EDIT: and much is not really that much even; it pixels if there are some units moving) going on, while owned does not.
You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. If you are watching a lower resolution transcode done by the site, they could look different at the same resolution if twitch and own3d use different settings for bitrate etc, but they are both optimised id assume for quality at their target bandwidth.
Watching the actual live stream (XXX + resolution on twitch) or i think maxed on own3d (which you have to be to watch without a delay of like 30 seconds behind live, and the chat) they are just displaying information as it is sent to them from xsplit or whatever streaming program, and "it pixels if there are some units moving" is entirely based on the encoding settings and bitrate of the uploader, not the service.
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On January 01 2012 23:57 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 09:12 grs wrote:On January 01 2012 09:08 Cyro wrote:On January 01 2012 09:02 grs wrote:On December 10 2011 08:53 R1CH wrote: own3d also seem to transcode everything you send to them, so your stream quality will never be as good as it can be with other services. Their volume slider also still plays sound at 0%, whyyyy Weired, since owned streams have a much higher quality than twitch on HD. Also twitch is a lagfest for me, though that might be a regional problem. Explain from a technical standpoint how it would be possible for Own3d to show notably higher quality streams than twitch when all encoding is done client side? Why should I have to explain that from a technical standpoint? The quality is higher, that is enough for me. Also I seriously doubt all encoding is done on the client side, but that is not mine to explain. Twitch quality lowers if there is much (EDIT: and much is not really that much even; it pixels if there are some units moving) going on, while owned does not. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. If you are watching a lower resolution transcode done by the site, they could look different at the same resolution if twitch and own3d use different settings for bitrate etc, but they are both optimised id assume for quality at their target bandwidth. Watching the actual live stream (XXX + resolution on twitch) or i think maxed on own3d (which you have to be to watch without a delay of like 30 seconds behind live, and the chat) they are just displaying information as it is sent to them from xsplit or whatever streaming program, and "it pixels if there are some units moving" is entirely based on the encoding settings and bitrate of the uploader, not the service. You are true - I don't know what I am talking about, but at least I don't pretend to. I am just watching different streams and notice a difference in quality favoring owned for me.
Pixels, wishy washy image on Twitch.
Clearer picture on owned.
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You can't compare streams like that. Here's why: Select and that other streamer most likely do not use the same settings on their stream. Assuming the same resolution and fps, if Select uploads with a bitrate of say 1500 kbps and that other streamer does it with 2500 kbps, there will be a huge visual difference - the blur that you were talking will be much more present on the lower bitrate stream. If you have ever opened XSplit or FME you will see a ton of settings that affect quality - there's no default stream setting for everyone - it has to be adapted to one's hardware and internet. There's also the fact that Select plays on low graphics whereas the other guy doesn't.
What Cyro said above is all true. It's unfair and wrong to throw around statements that own3d provides higher quality streams than others. They just repeat/distribute what the streamer produces. Some claim that some providers transcode the stream, but this will have a very minor impact to the stream quality (if any).
Some viewers do have lag issues with certain providers, but that is a mixed and often non-transparent problem between the provider, random congestion/routing problems and even your ISP.
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I dunno why, but I can usually watch Own3d at 360, while I lag with 360 on Twitch
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On January 02 2012 09:11 Aocowns wrote: I dunno why, but I can usually watch Own3d at 360, while I lag with 360 on Twitch
Thats a server issue, both sites have them occasionally, nothing to do with quality
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I enjoy both sites but I don't see why people are bashing on own3d so much. Own3d has room to improve and their current service plays HD stream perfect on my end. Both sites could co-exist!
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Absolutely Loomies - the competition is good. Personally I feel that Own3d are doing some essential things worse than Twitch (talking mainly about their flash player implementation) but on the other hand Own3d has features like 'stream delay' that Twitch doesn't. I welcome the opportunity and hope Own3d adapts to user feedback. As for the unfriendly tone, I just think it's a combination of TLers liking Twitch because of their sponsorship and also generally most people just doesn't like change - it takes them out of their comport zone.
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I have noticed lately after watching Boxer and Nestea stream that Own3D looks way better than Twitch streams. I dont have the bandwidth to watch Twitch at 720 without lagging but the own 3d runs smooth and looks 10 times better.
All of twitches streams have like a blur around everything and even when I put it to the highest setting of 720+ it still looks grainy+too much bandwidth. Does anyone know why this is?
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