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Talon enters SC2 by signing Dark!

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Gemini_19
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1258 Posts
January 30 2024 07:04 GMT
#1


Welcome Talon to SC2! A very strong pick up in Dark as their first entry into the scene!

Here is the link to the full interview with Tasteless!
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Philippe
Profile Joined October 2020
354 Posts
January 30 2024 07:14 GMT
#2
The amount of 1-player rosters is starting to get concerning. Hopefully these get supplemented somehow ...
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kaby
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation195 Posts
January 30 2024 08:04 GMT
#3
Actually one-player rosters make the most of sense from the commercial point of view. Why on Earth would you take 5 players and pay 5x more for one team league if you can cover all the same viewers taking one player who will participate in the solo leagues instead?

I feel like the only reason why Proleague existed as it was is that they tried to copy the team story from the sports. But now Esports is pretty much a standalone thing which dwells on the Internet streams instead of TVs. You don't care about the 'team fans' as much, but rather about the player's personal fans and the total reach audience amount.
mindjames
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Israel433 Posts
January 30 2024 08:06 GMT
#4
I didn't know how much I needed The Office-inspired Tasteless skits in my life.
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6331 Posts
January 30 2024 08:37 GMT
#5
How long could Dark even stay in the team with his military service seemingly coming any time?
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33608 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-01-30 08:51:12
January 30 2024 08:50 GMT
#6
On January 30 2024 17:37 digmouse wrote:
How long could Dark even stay in the team with his military service seemingly coming any time?


His body was recently bombarded with Zest particles, which makes him both on the verge of conscription/totally safe at the same time
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Kori
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany58 Posts
January 30 2024 09:32 GMT
#7
On January 30 2024 17:37 digmouse wrote:
How long could Dark even stay in the team with his military service seemingly coming any time?


In his interview on Tasteless' channel he says that it's his last year, so I imagine end of 2024, start of 2025 might be when he's planning to go
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17735 Posts
January 30 2024 10:07 GMT
#8
My theory on these other eSports teams dipping their toes into SC2 is they know these other RTS games (Stormgate and Zero Space) are coming and they want to have a foothold in the RTS scene just in case one of those games really blows up.
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Comedy
Profile Joined March 2016
469 Posts
January 30 2024 10:38 GMT
#9
On January 30 2024 19:07 Die4Ever wrote:
My theory on these other eSports teams dipping their toes into SC2 is they know these other RTS games (Stormgate and Zero Space) are coming and they want to have a foothold in the RTS scene just in case one of those games really blows up.


I honestly don't think anyone is worried about those games blowing up. It seems they just want representation at the saudi world cup.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8990 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-01-30 11:44:17
January 30 2024 11:43 GMT
#10
On January 30 2024 17:50 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2024 17:37 digmouse wrote:
How long could Dark even stay in the team with his military service seemingly coming any time?


His body was recently bombarded with Zest particles, which makes him both on the verge of conscription/totally safe at the same time


I wish Zest would bombard my body with his particules...
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atrox_
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom1711 Posts
January 30 2024 11:54 GMT
#11
it just feels so soulless knowing these teams probably won't get around after the saudi tournament
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19352 Posts
January 30 2024 12:29 GMT
#12
Damn Tasteless looks awesome! Great video dude! I love that he spent hours looking for Dark only to ask him like 2 questions lol.

Grats Dark, you are my favorite Zerg!
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Reptilia
Profile Joined June 2010
Chile913 Posts
January 30 2024 13:33 GMT
#13
On January 30 2024 21:29 BisuDagger wrote:
Damn Tasteless looks awesome! Great video dude! I love that he spent hours looking for Dark only to ask him like 2 questions lol.

Grats Dark, you are my favorite Zerg!


There is another 20+ minute video interview.
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Philippe
Profile Joined October 2020
354 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-01-30 14:09:29
January 30 2024 14:08 GMT
#14
On January 30 2024 20:54 atrox_ wrote:
it just feels so soulless knowing these teams probably won't get around after the saudi tournament


Again, one has to ask self the question "why other sponsors did not step up" . Circling back to what Kaby said earlier.

As much I don't like the brand-focused approach, teams are there to profit from the opportunity. Not their role to build for a pro league or employ more players than needed in the set time. At least they don't try to hide it.
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26796 Posts
January 30 2024 15:55 GMT
#15
Dark isn’t their first entry to the scene, he’ll be their sole entry to the scene. Least til he goes to military

These obvious for Gamer’s 8 pickups are shit for SC2 as a whole, with the exception of the players themselves.

As ‘pessimistically’ predicted by some, myself included, it’s just going to gut WTL with little upside for SC2 as a whole whatsoever.

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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17735 Posts
January 30 2024 16:14 GMT
#16
On January 30 2024 19:38 Comedy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2024 19:07 Die4Ever wrote:
My theory on these other eSports teams dipping their toes into SC2 is they know these other RTS games (Stormgate and Zero Space) are coming and they want to have a foothold in the RTS scene just in case one of those games really blows up.


I honestly don't think anyone is worried about those games blowing up. It seems they just want representation at the saudi world cup.

Oh I see they give money to teams directly for doing well in multiple games, that makes sense then
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Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4967 Posts
January 30 2024 16:29 GMT
#17
On January 31 2024 00:55 WombaT wrote:
Dark isn’t their first entry to the scene, he’ll be their sole entry to the scene. Least til he goes to military

These obvious for Gamer’s 8 pickups are shit for SC2 as a whole, with the exception of the players themselves.

As ‘pessimistically’ predicted by some, myself included, it’s just going to gut WTL with little upside for SC2 as a whole whatsoever.



I didn't though how this may affect the WTL... yeah that is worrying.
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jimminy_kriket
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada5532 Posts
January 30 2024 16:38 GMT
#18
On January 31 2024 01:14 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2024 19:38 Comedy wrote:
On January 30 2024 19:07 Die4Ever wrote:
My theory on these other eSports teams dipping their toes into SC2 is they know these other RTS games (Stormgate and Zero Space) are coming and they want to have a foothold in the RTS scene just in case one of those games really blows up.


I honestly don't think anyone is worried about those games blowing up. It seems they just want representation at the saudi world cup.

Oh I see they give money to teams directly for doing well in multiple games, that makes sense then
https://gamers8.gg/en/club-awards/rules

1.5 million dollars for first place...no wonder they signed dark. That will cover his salary 20x.
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Balnazza
Profile Joined January 2018
Germany1286 Posts
January 30 2024 16:47 GMT
#19
ENCE are probably kicking themselves why they didn't keep Serral on the payroll for just one more extra year.

Of course these pickups make sense for teams and the players, no one is questioning that. WTL is great to watch and I assume also highly prestigous for the players, but in the end, it doesn't pay that well or has a wide-spread audience. This is proven by the fact that basically only two big organisations are in the league and both of them kinda "have to be there" because of legacy-reasons. Pretty sure Liquid is more than okay with losing a bit of money for SC2 because it is such an important part of the brand. And it's not like 1-player rosters are new...Heromarine is on Mouz' payroll for so long I sometimes honestly wonder if they have just forgotten him and he is listed under "other expenses" or something like that...

All that being said: For the game itself these pickups are shite. The World Cup won't be more or less exciting because of it (does anyone think Dark will train harder now? Or is there someone out there who thinks "nah, Dark without DKZ? not watching that!"?). But the WTL, one of the big pillars of the remaining scene, just gets gutted. And will probably continue to be gutted. While I think the Basilisk-Boys and Onsyde-Crankies will stay together, I'm a bit afraid who else will get picked up. Ironically it is probably a good thing Twisted Minds are actually invested in the scene and already have a rooster, because they are the logical next team to pick up someone otherwise...
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MrIronGolem27
Profile Joined July 2020
United States249 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-01-30 17:45:31
January 30 2024 17:45 GMT
#20
Friendly reminder that Dark is not, in fact, Talon's first SC2 player:

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