• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 10:00
CEST 16:00
KST 23:00
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S RO12 Preview: Maru, Trigger, Rogue, NightMare12Code S RO12 Preview: Cure, sOs, Reynor, Solar15[ASL19] Ro8 Preview: Unyielding3Official Ladder Map Pool Update (April 28, 2025)17[ASL19] Ro8 Preview: Rejuvenation8
Community News
Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A Results (2025)3$1,250 WardiTV May [May 6th-May 18th]4Clem wins PiG Sty Festival #66Weekly Cups (April 28-May 4): ByuN & Astrea break through1Nexon wins bid to develop StarCraft IP content, distribute Overwatch mobile game29
StarCraft 2
General
QuickBooks Database Server Manager Not Running How does the number of casters affect your enjoyment of esports? Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A Results (2025) quickbooks-database-server-manager-not-running quickbooks-has-stopped-working-^^[[855-749-2321]]
Tourneys
[GSL 2025] Code S:Season 1 - RO12 - Group A INu's Battles#12 < ByuN vs herO > [GSL 2025] Code S:Season 1 - RO12 - Group B GSL 2025 details announced - 2 seasons pre-EWC 2025 GSL Season 2 (Qualifiers)
Strategy
[G] PvT Cheese: 13 Gate Proxy Robo Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 472 Dead Heat Mutation # 471 Delivery Guaranteed Mutation # 470 Certain Demise Mutation # 469 Frostbite
Brood War
General
QBCFMonitorService Not Running on This Computer? OGN to release AI-upscaled StarLeague from Feb 24 Battlenet Game Lobby Simulator [G] GenAI subtitles for Korean BW content BGH auto balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[ASL19] Ro8 Day 4 [CSLPRO] $1000 Spring is Here! Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
[G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player Creating a full chart of Zerg builds [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
What do you want from future RTS games? Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Grand Theft Auto VI Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
LiquidLegends to reintegrate into TL.net
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread TL Mafia Plays: Diplomacy TL Mafia: Generative Agents Showdown Survivor II: The Amazon
Community
General
Elon Musk's lies, propaganda, etc. US Politics Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread [Books] Wool by Hugh Howey Surprisingly good films/Hidden Gems
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread NHL Playoffs 2024 NBA General Discussion Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Cleaning My Mechanical Keyboard How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard? Logitech mx518 cleaning.
TL Community
BLinD-RawR 50K Post Watch Party The Automated Ban List TL.net Ten Commandments
Blogs
Info SLEgma_12
SLEgma_12
SECOND COMMING
XenOsky
What High-Performing Teams (…
TrAiDoS
WombaT’s Old BW Terran Theme …
WombaT
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
BW PvZ Balance hypothetic…
Vasoline73
Test Entry for subject
xumakis
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 10912 users

WTL 2023 Winter - Power Rank/Week 1 Preview

Forum Index > SC2 General
20 CommentsPost a Reply
1 2 All last
yht9657
Profile Joined December 2016
1810 Posts
September 29 2023 08:27 GMT
#2
Stats is one of the very few StarCraft 2 players who holds a career positive win rate against Maru (44-38 record)

As a longtime Stats fan I found this very hard to believe. A subsequent dig into Aligulac and it turns out Maru is the one with 44 wins here.
Kitai
Profile Joined June 2012
United States869 Posts
September 29 2023 08:41 GMT
#3
The players listed as playing for TL seem a bit off >.>
"You know, I don't care if soO got 100 second places in a row. Anyone who doesn't think that he's going to win blizzcon watching this series is a fool" - Artosis, Blizzcon 2014 soO vs TaeJa
Evilmj
Profile Joined December 2021
China103 Posts
September 29 2023 08:43 GMT
#4
lets go SLT!
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12761 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-09-29 09:43:17
September 29 2023 09:42 GMT
#5
Basilisk at #1 feels as wrong as TL's line-up of (Wiki)Terran: (T)Epic, Nicoract, (T)SpeCial
(Wiki)Protoss: (P)Gerald, (P)Has, (P)MaxPax, (P)MindelVK
(Wiki)Zerg: EStoryTeller, (Z)Namshar
WriterMaru
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33192 Posts
September 29 2023 11:07 GMT
#6
On September 29 2023 18:42 Poopi wrote:
Basilisk at #1 feels as wrong as TL's line-up of (Wiki)Terran: (T)Epic, Nicoract, (T)SpeCial
(Wiki)Protoss: (P)Gerald, (P)Has, (P)MaxPax, (P)MindelVK
(Wiki)Zerg: EStoryTeller, (Z)Namshar

whoops
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8988 Posts
September 29 2023 11:36 GMT
#7
On September 29 2023 17:27 yht9657 wrote:
Show nested quote +
Stats is one of the very few StarCraft 2 players who holds a career positive win rate against Maru (44-38 record)

As a longtime Stats fan I found this very hard to believe. A subsequent dig into Aligulac and it turns out Maru is the one with 44 wins here.


My my, seems like I have some off-season rust to shake off.

Worst thing is, I was also very surprised by it lol.
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12761 Posts
September 29 2023 11:48 GMT
#8
Looking at the whole power rank, Shopify at #8 is a bold prediction, especially when you compare their line-up with Mystery Gaming who is at #5: ByuN is often in better shape than Bunny, and Harstem+Lambo+Scarlett have a combined potential that is probably higher than RagnaroK alone.

Other than that, I agree: Basilisk/Onsyde are the clear top 2 teams, and it is hard to put another team ahead of DKZ.
The Freecs will be very interesting to follow, I did not know aLive was still playing enough starcraft to "accept" being put in the roster, I guess he truly is the invisible terran :D
WriterMaru
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8988 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-09-29 11:57:21
September 29 2023 11:57 GMT
#9
On September 29 2023 20:48 Poopi wrote:
Looking at the whole power rank, Shopify at #8 is a bold prediction, especially when you compare their line-up with Mystery Gaming who is at #5: ByuN is often in better shape than Bunny, and Harstem+Lambo+Scarlett have a combined potential that is probably higher than RagnaroK alone.

Other than that, I agree: Basilisk/Onsyde are the clear top 2 teams, and it is hard to put another team ahead of DKZ.
The Freecs will be very interesting to follow, I did not know aLive was still playing enough starcraft to "accept" being put in the roster, I guess he truly is the invisible terran :D


aLive actually showed up in code A!
First matches in over a year, 0-2 Astrea, 1-1 Lemon.
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
Balnazza
Profile Joined January 2018
Germany1102 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-09-29 12:59:52
September 29 2023 12:34 GMT
#10
Great write-up! Really hyped for the new season and a big part of that enjoyment is Nakajins coverage <3
But DKZ 5:1 MYG? You think Bunny will 1:1 against Jieshi? Bold...

Btw: Apparently Kelazhur is leaving Liquid, so I assume this is just his goodbye match?
"Wenn die Zauberin runter geht, dann macht sie die Beine breit" - Khaldor, trying to cast WC3 German-only
Evilmj
Profile Joined December 2021
China103 Posts
September 29 2023 14:45 GMT
#11
Welcome to Code S :D.
Crocolisk Dundee
Profile Blog Joined October 2015
870 Posts
September 29 2023 18:24 GMT
#12
Fantastic power rank and week1 preview! It looks like this season of WTL has the most level playing field of all. Should make for some exciting matches.
Stopped watching ESL content in 2022 when the company was acquired by Savvy Gaming Group. Also object to sponsorships by the U.S. Air Force. Thanks for the lively discussions about sportswashing. StarCraft II is not for me anymore.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33192 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-10-01 04:39:21
October 01 2023 04:38 GMT
#13
I think there's a bit too much recency bias from last season, which was quite abnormal IMO. Shopify should be higher, Liquid and Platinum Heroes lower.
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8988 Posts
October 01 2023 11:49 GMT
#14
On October 01 2023 13:38 Waxangel wrote:
I think there's a bit too much recency bias from last season, which was quite abnormal IMO. Shopify should be higher, Liquid and Platinum Heroes lower.


I understand the feeling for Shopify, I definitely deduced a few points from last season's performances. They could well finish in the top half.

But, I think TL has a killer lineup, if Clem performance problems really are off the past, I think fourth is a reasonable spot, Skillous has been a very good addition. They need to play Skillous-Elazer-Clem most weeks though.
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3220 Posts
October 01 2023 13:37 GMT
#15
Yeah, TL has the 4th best lineup with Clem-Elazer-Skillous, they could even take down DKZ if the match up is favorable.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland24380 Posts
October 01 2023 15:23 GMT
#16
A fine writeup as ever, although I was perplexed to hear Rag rebranded.

You have one of the cooler nicks in the scene and you change to be… SHIN!? The fuck?
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8988 Posts
October 01 2023 16:37 GMT
#17
On October 02 2023 00:23 WombaT wrote:
A fine writeup as ever, although I was perplexed to hear Rag rebranded.

You have one of the cooler nicks in the scene and you change to be… SHIN!? The fuck?


It's his surname, Shin Hee-beom.
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
Balnazza
Profile Joined January 2018
Germany1102 Posts
October 01 2023 18:08 GMT
#18
On October 02 2023 01:37 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2023 00:23 WombaT wrote:
A fine writeup as ever, although I was perplexed to hear Rag rebranded.

You have one of the cooler nicks in the scene and you change to be… SHIN!? The fuck?


It's his surname, Shin Hee-beom.


...and he was afraid he could forget it if he doesn't see it enough...?
"Wenn die Zauberin runter geht, dann macht sie die Beine breit" - Khaldor, trying to cast WC3 German-only
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland24380 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-10-01 21:23:19
October 01 2023 21:22 GMT
#19
On October 02 2023 01:37 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2023 00:23 WombaT wrote:
A fine writeup as ever, although I was perplexed to hear Rag rebranded.

You have one of the cooler nicks in the scene and you change to be… SHIN!? The fuck?


It's his surname, Shin Hee-beom.

He-Bomb would have been cooler.

On October 02 2023 03:08 Balnazza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2023 01:37 Nakajin wrote:
On October 02 2023 00:23 WombaT wrote:
A fine writeup as ever, although I was perplexed to hear Rag rebranded.

You have one of the cooler nicks in the scene and you change to be… SHIN!? The fuck?


It's his surname, Shin Hee-beom.


...and he was afraid he could forget it if he doesn't see it enough...?

Hey I’d love if it inspired him to new heights like TIME’s rebrand but man I laughed my arse off at that

Hey it can happen, I once had an escalating exasperating argument with my better half about what age I was… I was the one that was incorrect
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
t5Fab
Profile Joined July 2018
182 Posts
October 02 2023 16:35 GMT
#20
This is one of the wildest power ranks I've ever seen.
Shopify 8th especially. Liquid 4th is generous and Basilisk 1st with Mr 50/50 I can see it only because serral was the facto unbeaten.

Well, we will see!
Sorathez
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Australia209 Posts
October 03 2023 01:31 GMT
#21
+ Show Spoiler +
And the 50-50 man returns!
There's no sense crying over every mistake. You just keep trying till you run out of cake.
1 2 All last
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 14h
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Harstem 471
Lowko373
Hui .181
uThermal 20
StarCraft: Brood War
Bisu 2814
Flash 1072
BeSt 933
Shuttle 818
Mini 441
Stork 430
PianO 319
Pusan 318
actioN 301
Soulkey 237
[ Show more ]
TY 106
Rush 96
Mind 58
sSak 54
ToSsGirL 50
Aegong 41
Backho 36
Terrorterran 30
Barracks 27
Shinee 24
soO 16
sorry 16
Shine 15
yabsab 14
Yoon 13
Movie 9
Sacsri 6
Sexy 5
IntoTheRainbow 5
Stormgate
NightEnD37
Dota 2
Gorgc3337
420jenkins970
qojqva753
syndereN308
Counter-Strike
NBK_212
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King88
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor266
Other Games
singsing3121
B2W.Neo1644
DeMusliM742
hiko522
XcaliburYe491
crisheroes267
ArmadaUGS124
SortOf106
djWHEAT89
Liquid`VortiX85
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 1372
StarCraft 2
WardiTV889
ESL.tv127
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 10
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis3628
• Jankos1350
Upcoming Events
Online Event
14h
ShoWTimE vs MaxPax
SHIN vs herO
Clem vs Cure
SHIN vs Clem
ShoWTimE vs SHIN
SOOP
19h
DongRaeGu vs sOs
CranKy Ducklings
20h
WardiTV Invitational
21h
SC Evo League
22h
WardiTV Invitational
1d
Chat StarLeague
1d 2h
PassionCraft
1d 3h
Circuito Brasileiro de…
1d 4h
Online Event
1d 14h
MaxPax vs herO
SHIN vs Cure
Clem vs MaxPax
ShoWTimE vs herO
ShoWTimE vs Clem
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 20h
WardiTV Invitational
1d 21h
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
Chat StarLeague
2 days
Circuito Brasileiro de…
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
BeSt vs Light
Wardi Open
2 days
PiGosaur Monday
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Snow vs Soulkey
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
GSL Code S
4 days
ByuN vs Rogue
herO vs Cure
Replay Cast
5 days
GSL Code S
5 days
Classic vs Reynor
GuMiho vs Maru
The PondCast
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
GSL Code S
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

FGSL Season 1
PiG Sty Festival 6.0
Calamity Stars S2

Ongoing

BSL Nation Wars Season 2
StarCastTV Star League 4
JPL Season 2
ASL Season 19
YSL S1
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
China & Korea Top Challenge
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
2025 GSL S1
Heroes 10 EU
Asian Champions League '25
ECL Season 49: Europe
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025
BLAST Open Spring 2025
ESL Pro League S21

Upcoming

CSLPRO Spring 2025
NPSL Season 2
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLAN 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2025
2025 GSL S2
DreamHack Dallas 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.