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WTL 2023 Winter - Power Rank/Week 1 Preview

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yht9657
Profile Joined December 2016
1810 Posts
September 29 2023 08:27 GMT
#2
Stats is one of the very few StarCraft 2 players who holds a career positive win rate against Maru (44-38 record)

As a longtime Stats fan I found this very hard to believe. A subsequent dig into Aligulac and it turns out Maru is the one with 44 wins here.
Kitai
Profile Joined June 2012
United States885 Posts
September 29 2023 08:41 GMT
#3
The players listed as playing for TL seem a bit off >.>
"You know, I don't care if soO got 100 second places in a row. Anyone who doesn't think that he's going to win blizzcon watching this series is a fool" - Artosis, Blizzcon 2014 soO vs TaeJa
Evilmj
Profile Joined December 2021
China103 Posts
September 29 2023 08:43 GMT
#4
lets go SLT!
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France13018 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-09-29 09:43:17
September 29 2023 09:42 GMT
#5
Basilisk at #1 feels as wrong as TL's line-up of (Wiki)Terran: (T)Epic, Nicoract, (T)SpeCial
(Wiki)Protoss: (P)Gerald, (P)Has, (P)MaxPax, (P)MindelVK
(Wiki)Zerg: EStoryTeller, (Z)Namshar
WriterMaru
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33693 Posts
September 29 2023 11:07 GMT
#6
On September 29 2023 18:42 Poopi wrote:
Basilisk at #1 feels as wrong as TL's line-up of (Wiki)Terran: (T)Epic, Nicoract, (T)SpeCial
(Wiki)Protoss: (P)Gerald, (P)Has, (P)MaxPax, (P)MindelVK
(Wiki)Zerg: EStoryTeller, (Z)Namshar

whoops
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8990 Posts
September 29 2023 11:36 GMT
#7
On September 29 2023 17:27 yht9657 wrote:
Show nested quote +
Stats is one of the very few StarCraft 2 players who holds a career positive win rate against Maru (44-38 record)

As a longtime Stats fan I found this very hard to believe. A subsequent dig into Aligulac and it turns out Maru is the one with 44 wins here.


My my, seems like I have some off-season rust to shake off.

Worst thing is, I was also very surprised by it lol.
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France13018 Posts
September 29 2023 11:48 GMT
#8
Looking at the whole power rank, Shopify at #8 is a bold prediction, especially when you compare their line-up with Mystery Gaming who is at #5: ByuN is often in better shape than Bunny, and Harstem+Lambo+Scarlett have a combined potential that is probably higher than RagnaroK alone.

Other than that, I agree: Basilisk/Onsyde are the clear top 2 teams, and it is hard to put another team ahead of DKZ.
The Freecs will be very interesting to follow, I did not know aLive was still playing enough starcraft to "accept" being put in the roster, I guess he truly is the invisible terran :D
WriterMaru
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8990 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-09-29 11:57:21
September 29 2023 11:57 GMT
#9
On September 29 2023 20:48 Poopi wrote:
Looking at the whole power rank, Shopify at #8 is a bold prediction, especially when you compare their line-up with Mystery Gaming who is at #5: ByuN is often in better shape than Bunny, and Harstem+Lambo+Scarlett have a combined potential that is probably higher than RagnaroK alone.

Other than that, I agree: Basilisk/Onsyde are the clear top 2 teams, and it is hard to put another team ahead of DKZ.
The Freecs will be very interesting to follow, I did not know aLive was still playing enough starcraft to "accept" being put in the roster, I guess he truly is the invisible terran :D


aLive actually showed up in code A!
First matches in over a year, 0-2 Astrea, 1-1 Lemon.
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Balnazza
Profile Joined January 2018
Germany1355 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-09-29 12:59:52
September 29 2023 12:34 GMT
#10
Great write-up! Really hyped for the new season and a big part of that enjoyment is Nakajins coverage <3
But DKZ 5:1 MYG? You think Bunny will 1:1 against Jieshi? Bold...

Btw: Apparently Kelazhur is leaving Liquid, so I assume this is just his goodbye match?
"Wenn die Zauberin runter geht, dann macht sie die Beine breit" - Khaldor, trying to cast WC3 German-only
Evilmj
Profile Joined December 2021
China103 Posts
September 29 2023 14:45 GMT
#11
Welcome to Code S :D.
Crocolisk Dundee
Profile Blog Joined October 2015
870 Posts
September 29 2023 18:24 GMT
#12
Fantastic power rank and week1 preview! It looks like this season of WTL has the most level playing field of all. Should make for some exciting matches.
Stopped watching ESL content in 2022 when the company was acquired by Savvy Gaming Group. Also object to sponsorships by the U.S. Air Force. Thanks for the lively discussions about sportswashing. StarCraft II is not for me anymore.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33693 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-10-01 04:39:21
October 01 2023 04:38 GMT
#13
I think there's a bit too much recency bias from last season, which was quite abnormal IMO. Shopify should be higher, Liquid and Platinum Heroes lower.
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8990 Posts
October 01 2023 11:49 GMT
#14
On October 01 2023 13:38 Waxangel wrote:
I think there's a bit too much recency bias from last season, which was quite abnormal IMO. Shopify should be higher, Liquid and Platinum Heroes lower.


I understand the feeling for Shopify, I definitely deduced a few points from last season's performances. They could well finish in the top half.

But, I think TL has a killer lineup, if Clem performance problems really are off the past, I think fourth is a reasonable spot, Skillous has been a very good addition. They need to play Skillous-Elazer-Clem most weeks though.
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tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3514 Posts
October 01 2023 13:37 GMT
#15
Yeah, TL has the 4th best lineup with Clem-Elazer-Skillous, they could even take down DKZ if the match up is favorable.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27341 Posts
October 01 2023 15:23 GMT
#16
A fine writeup as ever, although I was perplexed to hear Rag rebranded.

You have one of the cooler nicks in the scene and you change to be… SHIN!? The fuck?
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8990 Posts
October 01 2023 16:37 GMT
#17
On October 02 2023 00:23 WombaT wrote:
A fine writeup as ever, although I was perplexed to hear Rag rebranded.

You have one of the cooler nicks in the scene and you change to be… SHIN!? The fuck?


It's his surname, Shin Hee-beom.
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
Balnazza
Profile Joined January 2018
Germany1355 Posts
October 01 2023 18:08 GMT
#18
On October 02 2023 01:37 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2023 00:23 WombaT wrote:
A fine writeup as ever, although I was perplexed to hear Rag rebranded.

You have one of the cooler nicks in the scene and you change to be… SHIN!? The fuck?


It's his surname, Shin Hee-beom.


...and he was afraid he could forget it if he doesn't see it enough...?
"Wenn die Zauberin runter geht, dann macht sie die Beine breit" - Khaldor, trying to cast WC3 German-only
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27341 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-10-01 21:23:19
October 01 2023 21:22 GMT
#19
On October 02 2023 01:37 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2023 00:23 WombaT wrote:
A fine writeup as ever, although I was perplexed to hear Rag rebranded.

You have one of the cooler nicks in the scene and you change to be… SHIN!? The fuck?


It's his surname, Shin Hee-beom.

He-Bomb would have been cooler.

On October 02 2023 03:08 Balnazza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2023 01:37 Nakajin wrote:
On October 02 2023 00:23 WombaT wrote:
A fine writeup as ever, although I was perplexed to hear Rag rebranded.

You have one of the cooler nicks in the scene and you change to be… SHIN!? The fuck?


It's his surname, Shin Hee-beom.


...and he was afraid he could forget it if he doesn't see it enough...?

Hey I’d love if it inspired him to new heights like TIME’s rebrand but man I laughed my arse off at that

Hey it can happen, I once had an escalating exasperating argument with my better half about what age I was… I was the one that was incorrect
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
t5Fab
Profile Joined July 2018
183 Posts
October 02 2023 16:35 GMT
#20
This is one of the wildest power ranks I've ever seen.
Shopify 8th especially. Liquid 4th is generous and Basilisk 1st with Mr 50/50 I can see it only because serral was the facto unbeaten.

Well, we will see!
Sorathez
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Australia209 Posts
October 03 2023 01:31 GMT
#21
+ Show Spoiler +
And the 50-50 man returns!
There's no sense crying over every mistake. You just keep trying till you run out of cake.
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