• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 11:32
CEST 17:32
KST 00:32
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-222Weekly Cups (July 27-Aug 2): SHIN's big week0SC4ALL II: Brood War - $2500 - Dec 5-69SC4ALL II announced - $10,000 prize pool, Dec 5-64PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August)14
StarCraft 2
General
The Good, the Bad and the 8 Workers Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) Serral wins HomeStory Cup 29 StarCraft 2 at SC4ALL II Invite #4/8 - Percival Protoss AoE skill expression
Tourneys
RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) Tasteless Time Warp: SC Evo Showmatch (May 25)
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 537 Hostile Territory Mutation # 536 Railroad Switch Mutation # 535 Assembly of Vengeance
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion ASL22 General Discussion Are you ready for ASL 22? NEW HYPE VIDEO [Personal Project Share] Terran Defense v0.60 Recent recommended BW games
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3 Escore Tournament - Season 3 SC4ALL II: Brood War - $2500 - Dec 5-6
Strategy
Any training maps people recommend? Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Diablo 2 thread General RTS Discussion Thread ZeroSpace Early Access is Now Live!
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Iain M Banks Says He Has Cancer And Months To Live European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The Clem Fan Club INnoVation Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
NBA General Discussion Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
Please support my new stand…
Peanutsc
What is a Gamer?
TrAiDoS
Hello guys!
LIN1s
ASL S22 English Commentary…
namkraft
Poker (part 2)
Nebuchad
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 4306 users

WTL 2023 Winter - Power Rank/Week 1 Preview

Forum Index > SC2 General
20 CommentsPost a Reply
1 2 All last
yht9657
Profile Joined December 2016
1810 Posts
September 29 2023 08:27 GMT
#2
Stats is one of the very few StarCraft 2 players who holds a career positive win rate against Maru (44-38 record)

As a longtime Stats fan I found this very hard to believe. A subsequent dig into Aligulac and it turns out Maru is the one with 44 wins here.
Kitai
Profile Joined June 2012
United States885 Posts
September 29 2023 08:41 GMT
#3
The players listed as playing for TL seem a bit off >.>
"You know, I don't care if soO got 100 second places in a row. Anyone who doesn't think that he's going to win blizzcon watching this series is a fool" - Artosis, Blizzcon 2014 soO vs TaeJa
Evilmj
Profile Joined December 2021
China103 Posts
September 29 2023 08:43 GMT
#4
lets go SLT!
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France13011 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-09-29 09:43:17
September 29 2023 09:42 GMT
#5
Basilisk at #1 feels as wrong as TL's line-up of (Wiki)Terran: (T)Epic, Nicoract, (T)SpeCial
(Wiki)Protoss: (P)Gerald, (P)Has, (P)MaxPax, (P)MindelVK
(Wiki)Zerg: EStoryTeller, (Z)Namshar
WriterMaru
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33671 Posts
September 29 2023 11:07 GMT
#6
On September 29 2023 18:42 Poopi wrote:
Basilisk at #1 feels as wrong as TL's line-up of (Wiki)Terran: (T)Epic, Nicoract, (T)SpeCial
(Wiki)Protoss: (P)Gerald, (P)Has, (P)MaxPax, (P)MindelVK
(Wiki)Zerg: EStoryTeller, (Z)Namshar

whoops
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8990 Posts
September 29 2023 11:36 GMT
#7
On September 29 2023 17:27 yht9657 wrote:
Show nested quote +
Stats is one of the very few StarCraft 2 players who holds a career positive win rate against Maru (44-38 record)

As a longtime Stats fan I found this very hard to believe. A subsequent dig into Aligulac and it turns out Maru is the one with 44 wins here.


My my, seems like I have some off-season rust to shake off.

Worst thing is, I was also very surprised by it lol.
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France13011 Posts
September 29 2023 11:48 GMT
#8
Looking at the whole power rank, Shopify at #8 is a bold prediction, especially when you compare their line-up with Mystery Gaming who is at #5: ByuN is often in better shape than Bunny, and Harstem+Lambo+Scarlett have a combined potential that is probably higher than RagnaroK alone.

Other than that, I agree: Basilisk/Onsyde are the clear top 2 teams, and it is hard to put another team ahead of DKZ.
The Freecs will be very interesting to follow, I did not know aLive was still playing enough starcraft to "accept" being put in the roster, I guess he truly is the invisible terran :D
WriterMaru
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8990 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-09-29 11:57:21
September 29 2023 11:57 GMT
#9
On September 29 2023 20:48 Poopi wrote:
Looking at the whole power rank, Shopify at #8 is a bold prediction, especially when you compare their line-up with Mystery Gaming who is at #5: ByuN is often in better shape than Bunny, and Harstem+Lambo+Scarlett have a combined potential that is probably higher than RagnaroK alone.

Other than that, I agree: Basilisk/Onsyde are the clear top 2 teams, and it is hard to put another team ahead of DKZ.
The Freecs will be very interesting to follow, I did not know aLive was still playing enough starcraft to "accept" being put in the roster, I guess he truly is the invisible terran :D


aLive actually showed up in code A!
First matches in over a year, 0-2 Astrea, 1-1 Lemon.
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
Balnazza
Profile Joined January 2018
Germany1337 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-09-29 12:59:52
September 29 2023 12:34 GMT
#10
Great write-up! Really hyped for the new season and a big part of that enjoyment is Nakajins coverage <3
But DKZ 5:1 MYG? You think Bunny will 1:1 against Jieshi? Bold...

Btw: Apparently Kelazhur is leaving Liquid, so I assume this is just his goodbye match?
"Wenn die Zauberin runter geht, dann macht sie die Beine breit" - Khaldor, trying to cast WC3 German-only
Evilmj
Profile Joined December 2021
China103 Posts
September 29 2023 14:45 GMT
#11
Welcome to Code S :D.
Crocolisk Dundee
Profile Blog Joined October 2015
870 Posts
September 29 2023 18:24 GMT
#12
Fantastic power rank and week1 preview! It looks like this season of WTL has the most level playing field of all. Should make for some exciting matches.
Stopped watching ESL content in 2022 when the company was acquired by Savvy Gaming Group. Also object to sponsorships by the U.S. Air Force. Thanks for the lively discussions about sportswashing. StarCraft II is not for me anymore.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33671 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-10-01 04:39:21
October 01 2023 04:38 GMT
#13
I think there's a bit too much recency bias from last season, which was quite abnormal IMO. Shopify should be higher, Liquid and Platinum Heroes lower.
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8990 Posts
October 01 2023 11:49 GMT
#14
On October 01 2023 13:38 Waxangel wrote:
I think there's a bit too much recency bias from last season, which was quite abnormal IMO. Shopify should be higher, Liquid and Platinum Heroes lower.


I understand the feeling for Shopify, I definitely deduced a few points from last season's performances. They could well finish in the top half.

But, I think TL has a killer lineup, if Clem performance problems really are off the past, I think fourth is a reasonable spot, Skillous has been a very good addition. They need to play Skillous-Elazer-Clem most weeks though.
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3512 Posts
October 01 2023 13:37 GMT
#15
Yeah, TL has the 4th best lineup with Clem-Elazer-Skillous, they could even take down DKZ if the match up is favorable.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27250 Posts
October 01 2023 15:23 GMT
#16
A fine writeup as ever, although I was perplexed to hear Rag rebranded.

You have one of the cooler nicks in the scene and you change to be… SHIN!? The fuck?
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8990 Posts
October 01 2023 16:37 GMT
#17
On October 02 2023 00:23 WombaT wrote:
A fine writeup as ever, although I was perplexed to hear Rag rebranded.

You have one of the cooler nicks in the scene and you change to be… SHIN!? The fuck?


It's his surname, Shin Hee-beom.
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
Balnazza
Profile Joined January 2018
Germany1337 Posts
October 01 2023 18:08 GMT
#18
On October 02 2023 01:37 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2023 00:23 WombaT wrote:
A fine writeup as ever, although I was perplexed to hear Rag rebranded.

You have one of the cooler nicks in the scene and you change to be… SHIN!? The fuck?


It's his surname, Shin Hee-beom.


...and he was afraid he could forget it if he doesn't see it enough...?
"Wenn die Zauberin runter geht, dann macht sie die Beine breit" - Khaldor, trying to cast WC3 German-only
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27250 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-10-01 21:23:19
October 01 2023 21:22 GMT
#19
On October 02 2023 01:37 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2023 00:23 WombaT wrote:
A fine writeup as ever, although I was perplexed to hear Rag rebranded.

You have one of the cooler nicks in the scene and you change to be… SHIN!? The fuck?


It's his surname, Shin Hee-beom.

He-Bomb would have been cooler.

On October 02 2023 03:08 Balnazza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2023 01:37 Nakajin wrote:
On October 02 2023 00:23 WombaT wrote:
A fine writeup as ever, although I was perplexed to hear Rag rebranded.

You have one of the cooler nicks in the scene and you change to be… SHIN!? The fuck?


It's his surname, Shin Hee-beom.


...and he was afraid he could forget it if he doesn't see it enough...?

Hey I’d love if it inspired him to new heights like TIME’s rebrand but man I laughed my arse off at that

Hey it can happen, I once had an escalating exasperating argument with my better half about what age I was… I was the one that was incorrect
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
t5Fab
Profile Joined July 2018
183 Posts
October 02 2023 16:35 GMT
#20
This is one of the wildest power ranks I've ever seen.
Shopify 8th especially. Liquid 4th is generous and Basilisk 1st with Mr 50/50 I can see it only because serral was the facto unbeaten.

Well, we will see!
Sorathez
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Australia209 Posts
October 03 2023 01:31 GMT
#21
+ Show Spoiler +
And the 50-50 man returns!
There's no sense crying over every mistake. You just keep trying till you run out of cake.
1 2 All last
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
13:00
King of the Hill #258
WardiTV1000
EmpressLilyy46
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 47990
Shuttle 2775
Jaedong 2154
Light 692
actioN 614
Soma 605
firebathero 391
Larva 376
Soulkey 347
Mini 335
[ Show more ]
BeSt 304
Snow 251
ZerO 167
hero 152
Dewaltoss 133
Rush 118
soO 67
Sharp 62
Sexy 60
Hyun 50
scan(afreeca) 23
HiyA 23
Rock 20
Shine 19
Terrorterran 17
Noble 6
Dota 2
qojqva1651
XcaliburYe80
Counter-Strike
fl0m5561
byalli1030
Super Smash Bros
C9.Mang0408
Mew2King150
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor146
Other Games
singsing2009
Liquid`RaSZi656
B2W.Neo650
Hui .215
FrodaN167
XaKoH 157
QueenE57
ZerO(Twitch)18
JuggernautJason14
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 13
Kim Chul Min (afreeca) 12
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH285
• poizon28 5
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV943
• lizZardDota282
League of Legends
• Jankos2174
• Shiphtur18
Upcoming Events
OSC
8h 28m
WardiTV Weekly
19h 28m
The Patches Monday
1d
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 18h
PiG Sty Festival
1d 20h
PiGosaur Cup
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-08-08
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
Acropolis #5
RSL Revival: Season 6
Esports World Cup 2026: LCQ
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W7
CSLAN 4
ASL Season 22
Escore Tournament S3: W8
Acropolis #5 - TRS
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Acropolis #5 - GSA
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1
META DYMY #4
Thunderpick World Champ.
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
Logitech G Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.