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uThermal is smurfing with cheeses and it's cringe

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661
Profile Joined May 2018
71 Posts
September 14 2023 12:25 GMT
#1
His new video is out, he’s cannon rushing 4.4k players and macro out of it, while calling it a "challenge"

How is this different from if I'm starting a new account as a master3 player, just to cheese bronze, silver, gold players as a "challenge"
iaguz
Profile Joined September 2023
1 Post
September 14 2023 12:47 GMT
#2
I can't believe my former Terran colleague Marc "uThermal" Schlappi does this.

I'll bring it up with him first chance I get.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25085 Posts
September 14 2023 13:17 GMT
#3
Is it really smurfing if you’re just playing silly things?

Not so much SC but the proliferation of skill-based-matchmaking into absolutely every game means you play somewhat serious or you lose, dicking around or playing with silly weapons and chars against players as good has you isn’t destined to work out as too good a time.
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15925 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-09-14 14:02:43
September 14 2023 13:37 GMT
#4
On September 14 2023 22:17 WombaT wrote:
Is it really smurfing if you’re just playing silly things?

Not so much SC but the proliferation of skill-based-matchmaking into absolutely every game means you play somewhat serious or you lose, dicking around or playing with silly weapons and chars against players as good has you isn’t destined to work out as too good a time.

Yeah but cannon rush isn't really a "silly thing". it's a widely used strat, that people usually find obnoxious to play against. I usually enjoy watching his challenges but this one leaves a bad taste
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zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15325 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-09-14 13:49:32
September 14 2023 13:48 GMT
#5
It doesn't matter if you call it a "challenge" or what builds you do.

Of course it's smurfing, and normalizing this is a great contribution to destroying the ladder and that game for others.
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Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6906 Posts
September 14 2023 14:09 GMT
#6
Smurfing is never entertaining IMO. It's just weak
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16056 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-09-14 14:34:40
September 14 2023 14:33 GMT
#7
Content creators are going to keep smurfing as long as people keep watching them do it. You might not think it, but drawing attention to it like this is only giving them more publicity and more views. Who cares if it's people that are hate watching, a view is a view.

Want to actually stop shit like this? Stop supporting content creators that smurf. Donate more to content creators that don't. Vote with your wallet. If content creators are continuing to smurf, that just means that the SC2 viewerbase condones smurfing.
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19230 Posts
September 14 2023 14:59 GMT
#8
How do we know the OP isn't a smurf account? Next thread should be "Uthermal is smurfing on TL to troll high post TL accounts"
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Philippe
Profile Joined October 2020
351 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-09-14 15:08:58
September 14 2023 15:05 GMT
#9
The kind of topics attracting the Streisand effect.

In short, do not post about it, it goes against the OP's goal there. Seconding Vindicare605's post there.
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Highwinds
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada955 Posts
September 14 2023 15:20 GMT
#10
He's making that fat Youtube $$$ for it. Just let the man earn his income. Be glad someone is trying to push for new SC2 content. People being cannon rushed are unpaid actors in the youtuber gamer's world much like prankster's target in real life.
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25085 Posts
September 14 2023 15:26 GMT
#11
On September 14 2023 22:37 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2023 22:17 WombaT wrote:
Is it really smurfing if you’re just playing silly things?

Not so much SC but the proliferation of skill-based-matchmaking into absolutely every game means you play somewhat serious or you lose, dicking around or playing with silly weapons and chars against players as good has you isn’t destined to work out as too good a time.

Yeah but cannon rush isn't really a "silly thing". it's a widely used strat, that people usually find obnoxious to play against. I usually enjoy watching his challenges but this one leaves a bad taste

I mean I hate it myself I just assumed there was some kind of flavour or additional gimmick, like anything else in this vein I’ve seen him do.

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Sound1
Profile Joined August 2016
France93 Posts
September 14 2023 16:32 GMT
#12
On September 14 2023 23:09 Harris1st wrote:
Smurfing is never entertaining IMO. It's just weak



I am not totally agree with you. Neuroswarm has an interesting opinion about it too.
I'm used to smurf because of one important thing : that's erase my ladder anxiety, and I can (finally) play seriously.
When I play at my real level, my ladder anxiety forces me to put some critical mistakes in my games. Fear of my opponent prevent myself to have some good mechanics, and clean moves.
Noticed that I have playing this game since more than 10 years, and I am stuck at 3.3K MMR.
I don't play below 3K MMR, because it is not really interesting, but I like to play against 3K MMR people. Always I learn a lot when I am doing it.

As I want to stay at this MMR, even if my game turns to my advantage, I leave before my opponent does it. OFC sometimes I stay, and sometimes I lose (protoss imba )

I like Uthermal very much. I didn't see this particularly vids. I saw some of his "challenges". The idea is pretty good, he puts a fresh approach of sc2 but that's clear a cannon rush way below your MMR is not a challenge at all.
Hope he will realize that's not fun for his opponent neither the viewers.
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Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
September 14 2023 16:35 GMT
#13
On September 14 2023 23:59 BisuDagger wrote:
How do we know the OP isn't a smurf account? Next thread should be "Uthermal is smurfing on TL to troll high post TL accounts"

For all we know OP's account is an Harstem smurf trying to slander uThermal because he's stealing his youtube viewers
(jk Harstem is way too nice for that)
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Slydie
Profile Joined August 2013
1913 Posts
September 14 2023 17:08 GMT
#14
Meh, smurfing is far too normal for me to be upset about it. I think most streamers have different MMR accounts after how seriously they want to play, which could count as smurfing too.

I remember learning the SC2 basics from a Filters bronze to master series. It was basically all smurfing, but learning the basics of good macro and gameplay along the way. Since then, he made another, and Vibe, Pig and probably others did their own smurfing Bronze to Gm series, with plenty of others doing challenges like 11-11 rax only climbs.

It does not feel great for the players being smurfed against, but what can you do? Some times, playing against somebody good can be inspiring!
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19230 Posts
September 14 2023 17:17 GMT
#15
On September 15 2023 01:35 Durnuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2023 23:59 BisuDagger wrote:
How do we know the OP isn't a smurf account? Next thread should be "Uthermal is smurfing on TL to troll high post TL accounts"

For all we know OP's account is an Harstem smurf trying to slander uThermal because he's stealing his youtube viewers
(jk Harstem is way too nice for that)

I wouldn't put it past Nerchio doing it on Hartsem's behalf cause he knows Harstem won't do what needs to be done.
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13974 Posts
September 14 2023 17:55 GMT
#16
On September 15 2023 02:17 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2023 01:35 Durnuu wrote:
On September 14 2023 23:59 BisuDagger wrote:
How do we know the OP isn't a smurf account? Next thread should be "Uthermal is smurfing on TL to troll high post TL accounts"

For all we know OP's account is an Harstem smurf trying to slander uThermal because he's stealing his youtube viewers
(jk Harstem is way too nice for that)

I wouldn't put it past Nerchio doing it on Hartsem's behalf cause he knows Harstem won't do what needs to be done.

"#YearOfHarstem" - Nerchio probably
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papapanda
Profile Joined April 2010
Taiwan326 Posts
September 14 2023 18:21 GMT
#17
uThermal is smurfing on TL as 661, his throwaway account, and created a topic about uThermal smurfing to get more viewership.

Since when did 4.4k players know how to hold CRs?
Fleetfeet
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Canada2548 Posts
September 14 2023 18:29 GMT
#18
Grubby does this kind of stuff all the time in WC3. It's entertaining if done right.
luxon
Profile Joined August 2012
United States111 Posts
September 14 2023 18:33 GMT
#19
this has been discussed to death already, and hes famous for being the biggest (and highest rank) smurfer in the sc scene (lot of people have done bronze to x challenges in the past). the conflict has always been: smurfing videos are really fun to watch, get enormous viewership and entertainment value, but are bad for ladder. so what is the balance here..

i also dont like the fact that uthermal particularly gets off on people raging, he'll laugh at them and use them in his thumbnail, whereas i feel that these people have a good reason to rage. but do i also love seeing a ghost get 60 kill nukes? yeah....

ideally everyone just does what harstem does, he has a cheese account and cheese at his actual mmr, and does this for all 3 races.
Pentarp
Profile Joined August 2015
219 Posts
September 14 2023 20:12 GMT
#20
Man, this guy lowkey advertising for uThermal. Google analytics: uThermal, fun, smurf, controversy, fragile, ego.
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