• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 07:21
CEST 13:21
KST 20:21
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2914Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16)44Reynor: GSL Loss Wasn't About Preparation Format16[IPSL] Spring 2026 Grand Finals - This Weekend!5Weekly Cups (July 6 - 12): Protoss strike back12BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion8
StarCraft 2
General
Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) [D] Wireframe Casting Removed Clem: "I don't have that much hope in Blizzard" Reynor: GSL Loss Wasn't About Preparation Format Is the larve respawn broken?
Tourneys
Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) WardiTV Summer Cup 2026 GSL CK #5 Race War RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event HomeStory Cup 29
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 534 Burning Evacuation Mutation # 533 Die Together Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family
Brood War
General
ASL22 General Discussion BW General Discussion Pros Debate: Zerg Unfairly Nerfed? (ASL S22 map) Etiquete rules in Asl? Recent recommended BW games
Tourneys
Escore Tournament - Season 3 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 [IPSL] Spring 2026 Grand Finals - This Weekend!
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Beyond All Reason Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread MLB/Baseball 2023 McBoner: A hockey love story Tennis[sport] Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard?
TL Community
Northern Ireland Global Starcraft The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Poker (part 2)
Nebuchad
The Experiences We Want and …
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 6762 users

uThermal is smurfing with cheeses and it's cringe

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
1 2 3 4 Next All
661
Profile Joined May 2018
71 Posts
September 14 2023 12:25 GMT
#1
His new video is out, he’s cannon rushing 4.4k players and macro out of it, while calling it a "challenge"

How is this different from if I'm starting a new account as a master3 player, just to cheese bronze, silver, gold players as a "challenge"
iaguz
Profile Joined September 2023
2 Posts
September 14 2023 12:47 GMT
#2
I can't believe my former Terran colleague Marc "uThermal" Schlappi does this.

I'll bring it up with him first chance I get.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27207 Posts
September 14 2023 13:17 GMT
#3
Is it really smurfing if you’re just playing silly things?

Not so much SC but the proliferation of skill-based-matchmaking into absolutely every game means you play somewhat serious or you lose, dicking around or playing with silly weapons and chars against players as good has you isn’t destined to work out as too good a time.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16085 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-09-14 14:02:43
September 14 2023 13:37 GMT
#4
On September 14 2023 22:17 WombaT wrote:
Is it really smurfing if you’re just playing silly things?

Not so much SC but the proliferation of skill-based-matchmaking into absolutely every game means you play somewhat serious or you lose, dicking around or playing with silly weapons and chars against players as good has you isn’t destined to work out as too good a time.

Yeah but cannon rush isn't really a "silly thing". it's a widely used strat, that people usually find obnoxious to play against. I usually enjoy watching his challenges but this one leaves a bad taste
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15366 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-09-14 13:49:32
September 14 2023 13:48 GMT
#5
It doesn't matter if you call it a "challenge" or what builds you do.

Of course it's smurfing, and normalizing this is a great contribution to destroying the ladder and that game for others.
ModeratorI know Teamliquid is known as a massive building
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7320 Posts
September 14 2023 14:09 GMT
#6
Smurfing is never entertaining IMO. It's just weak
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16125 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-09-14 14:34:40
September 14 2023 14:33 GMT
#7
Content creators are going to keep smurfing as long as people keep watching them do it. You might not think it, but drawing attention to it like this is only giving them more publicity and more views. Who cares if it's people that are hate watching, a view is a view.

Want to actually stop shit like this? Stop supporting content creators that smurf. Donate more to content creators that don't. Vote with your wallet. If content creators are continuing to smurf, that just means that the SC2 viewerbase condones smurfing.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19368 Posts
September 14 2023 14:59 GMT
#8
How do we know the OP isn't a smurf account? Next thread should be "Uthermal is smurfing on TL to troll high post TL accounts"
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
Philippe
Profile Joined October 2020
354 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-09-14 15:08:58
September 14 2023 15:05 GMT
#9
The kind of topics attracting the Streisand effect.

In short, do not post about it, it goes against the OP's goal there. Seconding Vindicare605's post there.
I'm just a cynical video game enjoyer who is probably unfazed by many business dealings many would find utterly distasteful, while not strictly illegal by the law as seen in a general sense in the world.
Highwinds
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada955 Posts
September 14 2023 15:20 GMT
#10
He's making that fat Youtube $$$ for it. Just let the man earn his income. Be glad someone is trying to push for new SC2 content. People being cannon rushed are unpaid actors in the youtuber gamer's world much like prankster's target in real life.
Yes It's a Good Day. 저는 아이유 사랑해요!
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27207 Posts
September 14 2023 15:26 GMT
#11
On September 14 2023 22:37 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2023 22:17 WombaT wrote:
Is it really smurfing if you’re just playing silly things?

Not so much SC but the proliferation of skill-based-matchmaking into absolutely every game means you play somewhat serious or you lose, dicking around or playing with silly weapons and chars against players as good has you isn’t destined to work out as too good a time.

Yeah but cannon rush isn't really a "silly thing". it's a widely used strat, that people usually find obnoxious to play against. I usually enjoy watching his challenges but this one leaves a bad taste

I mean I hate it myself I just assumed there was some kind of flavour or additional gimmick, like anything else in this vein I’ve seen him do.

'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Sound1
Profile Joined August 2016
France93 Posts
September 14 2023 16:32 GMT
#12
On September 14 2023 23:09 Harris1st wrote:
Smurfing is never entertaining IMO. It's just weak



I am not totally agree with you. Neuroswarm has an interesting opinion about it too.
I'm used to smurf because of one important thing : that's erase my ladder anxiety, and I can (finally) play seriously.
When I play at my real level, my ladder anxiety forces me to put some critical mistakes in my games. Fear of my opponent prevent myself to have some good mechanics, and clean moves.
Noticed that I have playing this game since more than 10 years, and I am stuck at 3.3K MMR.
I don't play below 3K MMR, because it is not really interesting, but I like to play against 3K MMR people. Always I learn a lot when I am doing it.

As I want to stay at this MMR, even if my game turns to my advantage, I leave before my opponent does it. OFC sometimes I stay, and sometimes I lose (protoss imba )

I like Uthermal very much. I didn't see this particularly vids. I saw some of his "challenges". The idea is pretty good, he puts a fresh approach of sc2 but that's clear a cannon rush way below your MMR is not a challenge at all.
Hope he will realize that's not fun for his opponent neither the viewers.
Startale Sound Fan boy Forever !
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13324 Posts
September 14 2023 16:35 GMT
#13
On September 14 2023 23:59 BisuDagger wrote:
How do we know the OP isn't a smurf account? Next thread should be "Uthermal is smurfing on TL to troll high post TL accounts"

For all we know OP's account is an Harstem smurf trying to slander uThermal because he's stealing his youtube viewers
(jk Harstem is way too nice for that)
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
Slydie
Profile Joined August 2013
1987 Posts
September 14 2023 17:08 GMT
#14
Meh, smurfing is far too normal for me to be upset about it. I think most streamers have different MMR accounts after how seriously they want to play, which could count as smurfing too.

I remember learning the SC2 basics from a Filters bronze to master series. It was basically all smurfing, but learning the basics of good macro and gameplay along the way. Since then, he made another, and Vibe, Pig and probably others did their own smurfing Bronze to Gm series, with plenty of others doing challenges like 11-11 rax only climbs.

It does not feel great for the players being smurfed against, but what can you do? Some times, playing against somebody good can be inspiring!
Buff the siegetank
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19368 Posts
September 14 2023 17:17 GMT
#15
On September 15 2023 01:35 Durnuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2023 23:59 BisuDagger wrote:
How do we know the OP isn't a smurf account? Next thread should be "Uthermal is smurfing on TL to troll high post TL accounts"

For all we know OP's account is an Harstem smurf trying to slander uThermal because he's stealing his youtube viewers
(jk Harstem is way too nice for that)

I wouldn't put it past Nerchio doing it on Hartsem's behalf cause he knows Harstem won't do what needs to be done.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14000 Posts
September 14 2023 17:55 GMT
#16
On September 15 2023 02:17 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2023 01:35 Durnuu wrote:
On September 14 2023 23:59 BisuDagger wrote:
How do we know the OP isn't a smurf account? Next thread should be "Uthermal is smurfing on TL to troll high post TL accounts"

For all we know OP's account is an Harstem smurf trying to slander uThermal because he's stealing his youtube viewers
(jk Harstem is way too nice for that)

I wouldn't put it past Nerchio doing it on Hartsem's behalf cause he knows Harstem won't do what needs to be done.

"#YearOfHarstem" - Nerchio probably
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
papapanda
Profile Joined April 2010
Taiwan326 Posts
September 14 2023 18:21 GMT
#17
uThermal is smurfing on TL as 661, his throwaway account, and created a topic about uThermal smurfing to get more viewership.

Since when did 4.4k players know how to hold CRs?
Fleetfeet
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Canada2795 Posts
September 14 2023 18:29 GMT
#18
Grubby does this kind of stuff all the time in WC3. It's entertaining if done right.
luxon
Profile Joined August 2012
United States117 Posts
September 14 2023 18:33 GMT
#19
this has been discussed to death already, and hes famous for being the biggest (and highest rank) smurfer in the sc scene (lot of people have done bronze to x challenges in the past). the conflict has always been: smurfing videos are really fun to watch, get enormous viewership and entertainment value, but are bad for ladder. so what is the balance here..

i also dont like the fact that uthermal particularly gets off on people raging, he'll laugh at them and use them in his thumbnail, whereas i feel that these people have a good reason to rage. but do i also love seeing a ghost get 60 kill nukes? yeah....

ideally everyone just does what harstem does, he has a cheese account and cheese at his actual mmr, and does this for all 3 races.
Pentarp
Profile Joined August 2015
227 Posts
September 14 2023 20:12 GMT
#20
Man, this guy lowkey advertising for uThermal. Google analytics: uThermal, fun, smurf, controversy, fragile, ego.
Plogamer TL.net RedRocket B.net
1 2 3 4 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
CranKy Ducklings
10:00
Master Swan Open #105
CranKy Ducklings37
LiquipediaDiscussion
RSL Revival
09:00
Season 6 - Group D
Clem vs Lambo
Scarlett vs Cure
Tasteless1057
Ryung 967
ComeBackTV 573
IntoTheiNu 208
Rex107
3DClanTV 74
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Tasteless 1057
Ryung 967
Lowko289
SortOf 125
Rex 107
RotterdaM 103
BRAT_OK 56
MindelVK 22
RushiSC 5
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 1959
Shuttle 1319
Calm 1116
firebathero 941
Jaedong 543
Horang2 480
Hyuk 367
BeSt 325
Mini 268
Stork 159
[ Show more ]
Killer 145
Larva 142
Last 127
Hyun 119
Leta 93
ZerO 89
Rush 76
Pusan 75
ggaemo 73
Aegong 55
JYJ 49
Free 43
Sharp 36
ZergMaN 33
hero 33
Shine 32
sorry 28
yabsab 25
JulyZerg 24
Hm[arnc] 24
soO 18
HiyA 14
Barracks 12
ajuk12(nOOB) 12
IntoTheRainbow 10
Noble 7
Dota 2
Gorgc2775
XcaliburYe282
League of Legends
Doublelift1846
JimRising 382
Counter-Strike
byalli694
Other Games
gofns15914
singsing1670
B2W.Neo389
Happy229
XaKoH 128
RuFF_SC229
ZerO(Twitch)7
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick2260
BasetradeTV131
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 19 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH305
• LUISG 22
• epiclan8
• Adnapsc2 6
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP4
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• Migwel
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Kozan
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
• Pr0nogo 2
• FT.aCt)Sony1
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos2008
• Stunt527
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Invitational
40m
Epic.LAN
1h 40m
IPSL
4h 40m
Dragon vs Hawk
RSL Revival
21h 40m
Classic vs Trap
herO vs SHIN
Sparkling Tuna Cup
22h 40m
OSC
1d 1h
IPSL
1d 4h
Bonyth vs Ret
WardiTV Weekly
1d 23h
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
PiGosaur Cup
3 days
[ Show More ]
The PondCast
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
CrankTV Team League
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
CrankTV Team League
5 days
Korean StarCraft League
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S3: W3
HSC XXIX
Eternal Conflict S2 E2

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
YSL S3
CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
SCTL 2026 Spring
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W4
ASL S22 SEASON OPEN Day 2
Escore Tournament S3: W5
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E3
Logitech G Connect 2026
StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.