• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 13:58
CEST 19:58
KST 02:58
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915Serral wins Maestros of the Game 244ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7
Community News
Weekly Cups (August 10-16): SHIN doubles2GSTL Returns in 2026!45Weekly Cups (Aug 3-9): Protoss get shut out7RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-2212Weekly Cups (July 27-Aug 2): SHIN's big week0
StarCraft 2
General
Geoff 'iNcontroL' Robinson has passed away GSTL Returns in 2026! SC4ALL II: SC2 Player Announcement 6/8 - Maru Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) Serral wins Maestros of the Game 2
Tourneys
PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament SC2 AI Tournament 2026 Fall 2026 GSTL Announcement Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 539 Thunder Dome Mutation # 538 Media Blackout Mutation # 537 Hostile Territory
Brood War
General
ASL22 General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion Looking 4 Yaroslav: Enemy, Korchagin, WCG, Ukraine Foreign Brood War
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Toronto invitational lan 22 august [ASL22] Ro24 Group A Escore Tournament - Season 3
Strategy
Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Fighting Spirit mining rates Any training maps people recommend? Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Anyone here play Quakeworld back in the day? Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Dating: How's your luck? Artificial Intelligence Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Letting Off Steam Thread
Fan Clubs
The Creator Fan Club MarineLorD Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread Series you have seen recently...
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
Young Players Exit Esports E…
TrAiDoS
LOCKPICKING NOOB
LUCKY_NOOB
Cathedral Of CS And NY pizza a…
FuDDx
Please support my new stand…
Peanutsc
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 5243 users

Meta Notes - Revisiting Old Patches

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
ESChamp
Profile Joined September 2014
Canada124 Posts
June 01 2022 18:22 GMT
#1
Taking a look back at some of the pivotal changes in the Meta and how we got to the game we are in now.


The Archon Toliet
.


When the mothership once had Vortex and Zerg armies would disappear in an instant.
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
June 01 2022 22:29 GMT
#2
The memories
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27280 Posts
June 01 2022 23:54 GMT
#3
I can’t think of many other game mechanics that were so awesome the first time you saw it, and so stupid by about the fourth!
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
SHODAN
Profile Joined November 2011
United Kingdom1162 Posts
June 02 2022 01:36 GMT
#4
should be noted that BCs had an energy bar back then. all of Mvp's cruisers were on full mana when they got destroyed by feedback. if only he scanned ahead and brought a few ghosts!
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
June 02 2022 07:37 GMT
#5
On June 02 2022 08:54 WombaT wrote:
I can’t think of many other game mechanics that were so awesome the first time you saw it, and so stupid by about the fourth!

very good definition haha. I hadn't picked up the game yet when I first saw it in a Kiwikaki game and I was like "that is so awesome", but yeah with hindsight it was incredibly dumb
Drahkn
Profile Joined June 2021
199 Posts
June 02 2022 13:06 GMT
#6
PvZ was more balanced back then then it is now, actual fact
syndbg
Profile Joined February 2018
43 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-06-02 17:32:34
June 02 2022 17:28 GMT
#7
On June 02 2022 22:06 Drahkn wrote:
PvZ was more balanced back then then it is now, actual fact

Tell me you haven't played the game as either protoss or zerg, without saying that directly, lol.

If you think it was better having various game-ending movements like the archon toilet that mind you, can be used by both races since mothership could be neuraled back then, you're actually disconnected from reality.
yubo56
Profile Joined May 2014
690 Posts
June 02 2022 18:15 GMT
#8
On June 03 2022 02:28 syndbg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2022 22:06 Drahkn wrote:
PvZ was more balanced back then then it is now, actual fact

can be used by both races

Sounds balanced to me kappa
Jung Yoon Jong fighting, even after retirement! Feel better soon.
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
June 02 2022 22:10 GMT
#9
Can't wait to see the tankivacs episode... There have been some dumb things in that wonderful game
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27280 Posts
June 02 2022 22:15 GMT
#10
On June 02 2022 22:06 Drahkn wrote:
PvZ was more balanced back then then it is now, actual fact

Nah it really wasn’t.

There was a brief period when PvZ was probably at its best ever state in terms of straight macro games, Protoss picking the slow comp apart with prisms and roaming.

Protoss had the Soul Train, which was very potent, and big blink all-ins, was about it.

When Zerg closed those gaps, and got better defensively it was a case of nailing a good Archon toilet or death, and they got better at avoiding it.

'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
ESChamp
Profile Joined September 2014
Canada124 Posts
August 05 2022 21:12 GMT
#11
The Next Episode is out. This time Exploring the patched filled path of the Raven

Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Big Brain Bouts
16:00
#127
Nicoract vs HeRoMaRinELIVE!
Serral vs Cure
RotterdaM844
IndyStarCraft 238
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 844
PiGStarcraft828
mouzHeroMarine 291
IndyStarCraft 238
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 4101
Shuttle 919
Britney 917
firebathero 164
hero 136
Dewaltoss 96
Mong 67
Liquid`Ret 47
Sexy 26
ajuk12(nOOB) 13
[ Show more ]
scan(afreeca) 11
Dota 2
The International119827
Gorgc10871
singsing3101
XBOCT98
Counter-Strike
fl0m6144
shoxiejesuss1581
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King84
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu412
Other Games
Grubby1890
Beastyqt563
FrodaN469
Hui .176
ToD141
ArmadaUGS134
KnowMe108
DeMusliM96
elazer78
Livibee76
QueenE60
Trikslyr16
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 48
• mYiSmile135
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki13
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV303
League of Legends
• Jankos1320
• TFBlade982
Other Games
• imaqtpie721
• Shiphtur286
Upcoming Events
CranKy Ducklings
16h 2m
PiG Sty Festival
18h 2m
Zoun vs Solar
SHIN vs Maru
Patches Events
22h 2m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 16h
PiG Sty Festival
1d 18h
TBD vs Reynor
Serral vs TBD
OSC
1d 22h
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
hero vs ggaemo
Larva vs Mong
The Patches Monday
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Soulkey vs PianO
JyJ vs sSak
GSL
3 days
[ Show More ]
PiGosaur Cup
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Mini vs Calm
Queen vs EffOrt
Replay Cast
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-08-19
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL Season 22: Qualifier 1
Escore Tournament S3: W8
RSL Revival: Season 6
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
META DYMY #4
Esports World Cup 2026
Esports World Cup 2026: LCQ
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026

Upcoming

CSL Season 22: Qualifier 2
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - TRS
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Acropolis #5 - GSA
Acropolis #5 - GSB
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.