• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 13:55
CEST 19:55
KST 02:55
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9
Community News
Weekly Cups (Sep 13-20): herO scores triple2BSL Season 2312Weekly Cups (Sep 7-12): SHIN, ByuN, MaxPax double down1StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon101Weekly Cups (Aug 30-Sep 7): herO thrives amid growing schism10
StarCraft 2
General
How do you feel about the StarCraft shooter announcement at BlizzCon 2026? Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool Weekly Cups (Sep 13-20): herO scores triple The Death of Cheese: From a Professional Cheeser
Tourneys
2026 GSTL Grand Finals ScienceCraft (October 24-25) - Live Event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20)
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 544 Double Trouble The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 543 Enhanced Defenses Mutation # 542 The Ascended
Brood War
General
Bot on ladder Syncronization issues and can't find games an AI researcher's take on the ladder bot NaDa's Body BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro8 Day 2 [ASL22] Ro8 Day 1 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [IPSL] IPSL is Back With Winter 26-27!
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Replay Review Process - What do you do? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne EVE Corporation Diablo IV
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25! Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Artificial Intelligence Thread All you football fans (soccer)!
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The Creator Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Violent-Cooperative Play and…
TrAiDoS
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Regacy Esports:Our Goa…
regacyesports
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 8497 users

Meta Notes - Revisiting Old Patches

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
ESChamp
Profile Joined September 2014
Canada124 Posts
June 01 2022 18:22 GMT
#1
Taking a look back at some of the pivotal changes in the Meta and how we got to the game we are in now.


The Archon Toliet
.


When the mothership once had Vortex and Zerg armies would disappear in an instant.
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
June 01 2022 22:29 GMT
#2
The memories
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27404 Posts
June 01 2022 23:54 GMT
#3
I can’t think of many other game mechanics that were so awesome the first time you saw it, and so stupid by about the fourth!
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
TL+ Member
SHODAN
Profile Joined November 2011
United Kingdom1162 Posts
June 02 2022 01:36 GMT
#4
should be noted that BCs had an energy bar back then. all of Mvp's cruisers were on full mana when they got destroyed by feedback. if only he scanned ahead and brought a few ghosts!
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
June 02 2022 07:37 GMT
#5
On June 02 2022 08:54 WombaT wrote:
I can’t think of many other game mechanics that were so awesome the first time you saw it, and so stupid by about the fourth!

very good definition haha. I hadn't picked up the game yet when I first saw it in a Kiwikaki game and I was like "that is so awesome", but yeah with hindsight it was incredibly dumb
Drahkn
Profile Joined June 2021
199 Posts
June 02 2022 13:06 GMT
#6
PvZ was more balanced back then then it is now, actual fact
syndbg
Profile Joined February 2018
43 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-06-02 17:32:34
June 02 2022 17:28 GMT
#7
On June 02 2022 22:06 Drahkn wrote:
PvZ was more balanced back then then it is now, actual fact

Tell me you haven't played the game as either protoss or zerg, without saying that directly, lol.

If you think it was better having various game-ending movements like the archon toilet that mind you, can be used by both races since mothership could be neuraled back then, you're actually disconnected from reality.
yubo56
Profile Joined May 2014
690 Posts
June 02 2022 18:15 GMT
#8
On June 03 2022 02:28 syndbg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2022 22:06 Drahkn wrote:
PvZ was more balanced back then then it is now, actual fact

can be used by both races

Sounds balanced to me kappa
Jung Yoon Jong fighting, even after retirement! Feel better soon.
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
June 02 2022 22:10 GMT
#9
Can't wait to see the tankivacs episode... There have been some dumb things in that wonderful game
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27404 Posts
June 02 2022 22:15 GMT
#10
On June 02 2022 22:06 Drahkn wrote:
PvZ was more balanced back then then it is now, actual fact

Nah it really wasn’t.

There was a brief period when PvZ was probably at its best ever state in terms of straight macro games, Protoss picking the slow comp apart with prisms and roaming.

Protoss had the Soul Train, which was very potent, and big blink all-ins, was about it.

When Zerg closed those gaps, and got better defensively it was a case of nailing a good Archon toilet or death, and they got better at avoiding it.

'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
TL+ Member
ESChamp
Profile Joined September 2014
Canada124 Posts
August 05 2022 21:12 GMT
#11
The Next Episode is out. This time Exploring the patched filled path of the Raven

Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Platinum Heroes Events
17:30
Inhouse Qualif 2
RotterdaM259
AI Arena Tournament
17:00
Swiss - Round 3
Laughngamez YouTube
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 259
BRAT_OK 55
JuggernautJason42
LaughNgamez 1
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 43505
BeSt 1911
Shuttle 1265
Mini 1200
Dewaltoss 120
910 53
soO 43
Hyun 35
zelot 35
NaDa 21
[ Show more ]
Rock 19
Free 16
yabsab 11
ajuk12(nOOB) 8
Dota 2
BananaSlamJamma703
Counter-Strike
fl0m4765
pashabiceps974
Heroes of the Storm
Grubby3423
Liquid`Hasu132
Trikslyr106
Other Games
summit1g3836
B2W.Neo977
Beastyqt640
ArmadaUGS127
Mew2King44
Chillindude12
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick669
StarCraft: Brood War
Afreeca ASL 235
Other Games
BasetradeTV92
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH290
• printf 43
• StrangeGG 36
• Airneanach23
• Shameless 20
• OhrlRock 1
• IndyKCrew
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• FirePhoenix11
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis3295
Other Games
• Shiphtur367
Upcoming Events
BSL: Ladder Tournament
1h 5m
GSL
14h 5m
Yamato Cup
21h 5m
BSL Open Qualifier
1d 1h
BSL Open Qualifier
1d 1h
Replay Cast
1d 6h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 16h
Soma vs Jaedong
WardiTV Weekly
1d 17h
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 22h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
[ Show More ]
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Leta vs Soulkey
PiGosaur Cup
3 days
Kung Fu Cup
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
Online Event
6 days
FEL
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #5 - GSA
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1

Ongoing

ASL Season 22
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Calamity Invitational
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSB
Acropolis #5 - GSC
BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Custodian Cup
Copium Cup
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.