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Greatest SC2 Protoss player of all-time?

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StuDToSs
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
116 Posts
June 21 2021 20:12 GMT
#1
Who's the greatest Protoss player of all-time in terms of SC2?

This sort of gets overlooked because Terrans and Zergs have been far more successful. For example, there's no Protoss player AFAIK who's accomplished close to what Maru or Rogue have done.

It seems like there are a bunch of players you could make a case for depending on what criteria you give more importance to:

Stats
Trap
Parting
Zest
MC
Classic
Rain
sOs
herO (not Liquid HerO)
StasisField
Profile Joined August 2013
United States1086 Posts
June 21 2021 20:18 GMT
#2
For me it's either Rain or Zest. Rain achieved consistently great results his entire career. He wasn't the flashiest player but he got the job done. Zest is a player marked by mind-bogglingly high high's and equally mind-bogglingly low low's. Protoss has looked its most oppressive in Zest's hands, and his level of domination during the first year of LotV (especially that year's first GSL) is something I don't think another Protoss player has achieved in SC2's history.
What do you mean Immortals can't shoot up?
starvingbox
Profile Joined August 2020
United States44 Posts
June 21 2021 20:40 GMT
#3
Wow, it's actually somewhat surprising how much weaker this list is compared to Terran and Zerg.
Serimek
Profile Joined August 2011
France2274 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-06-21 21:02:30
June 21 2021 20:43 GMT
#4
Rain should have been the GOAT Protoss, but him not playing LotV at all weakens this statement.

Overall, Zest.
SC2 is the best game to watch and was the best to play before I grew old and slow...
Linkinparktoss
Profile Joined March 2017
16 Posts
June 21 2021 20:47 GMT
#5
sOs, I will die on this hill! he has a bagpack brain and he is the only 2x WCS Champion!
He always felt the most "protoss" to me. And even after his primes he was still good for upsetting Maru 3:0 at WCS or just recently Ruining TYs Super tournament hopes.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16074 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-06-21 20:56:50
June 21 2021 20:50 GMT
#6
Zest > sOs = Stats > Classic > herO = Rain > MC > PartinG > Trap = Dear
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tennisl
Profile Joined March 2018
United Kingdom44 Posts
June 21 2021 20:56 GMT
#7
1.sOs
2. Stats
3. Classic
4. Zest
5. MC
the rest
Sprog
Profile Joined April 2010
New Zealand83 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-06-21 22:48:53
June 21 2021 21:18 GMT
#8
I think this could only ever be a list as it really depends on era.

Parting, Zest, MC, Stats, sOs, Classic, Neeb, Astrea, ShowTime, Probe.

Edit: KiwiKaKi, HUK, Trap
Serimek
Profile Joined August 2011
France2274 Posts
June 21 2021 21:24 GMT
#9
On June 22 2021 06:18 Sprog wrote:
I think this could only ever be a list as it really depends on era.

Parting, Zest, MC, Stats, sOs, Classic, Neeb, Astrea, ShowTime, Probe


Cheeky Probe.
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
June 21 2021 21:42 GMT
#10
MC - he is to Protoss in SC2 what Slayers Boxer was to Terran in BW

IMO, if there isn't a consensus great (which based on the comments doesn't seem to be one), then you go with the guy who did it first and paved the way
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
crbox
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1180 Posts
June 21 2021 21:55 GMT
#11
1 Trap - I don't know what defines his playstyle, just a great macro toss that can do anything and win with it.
2 Parting - Soul train innovator, aggressive, great micro, solid macro behind
3 Stats - Great defensive macro toss


Wildcard : Zest - Maxes out on gateway units and wins, but definitely can play macro games. Has his own style that works.
I guess you could argue Rain but it's been too long since I've seen his play. Maybe I'd place Rain first if my memory served me better.
MC is just too far ago, literally playing a different game. He was great for his time, but I think he would get destroyed by today's player, even given he would be at his best form hypothetically (unpopular opinion).
Shathe
Profile Joined July 2017
Hungary422 Posts
June 21 2021 21:56 GMT
#12
Probably Zest, with so many wins and second places. Even though he wasn't dominant in the last few years.
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-06-21 22:14:47
June 21 2021 22:04 GMT
#13
It's hard to pick, the style of Protoss makes it so that they have a lot of great players, compared to the few candidates for Zerg and Terran (who admittedly have higher ceilings).

For me at least, I have to split them into 3 types: Definers, Jack of All Trades, and Polishers.
Definers: defined a style of Protoss that went on for as long as the game has;
Jack of All Trades: good at everything, but never the best at any point in time;
Polishers: took the mantle or improved upon the groundwork laid by the Definers.

The Definers:
MC: the one who defined the aggressive style of Protoss;
Rain: the one who defined the defensive style of Protoss;
sOs: the one who defined the strategical adaptability of Protoss.

The Jack of All Trades:
herO: great mind games, superb offense, defense not so great.
Classic: decent at mind games, good defense, and great offense.
Trap: look no further than Tastosis commentary, they literally call him the Jack of All trades Protoss

The Polishers:
PartinG: the guy who built upon MC's aggression with his 'soul'
Zest: the guy who refined Rain's playstyle while adding his own risk factor.
Stats: the guy that took up Rain's Mantle after Rain retired.

Honorable mention to Neeb as the one who changed LOTV PvP
Faker is the GOAT!
followZeRoX
Profile Joined March 2011
Serbia1451 Posts
June 21 2021 23:36 GMT
#14
Stats
Rubicant1
Profile Joined October 2019
115 Posts
June 22 2021 00:00 GMT
#15
Hmm, any combo of Rain, Zest or Stats works for me, personally.
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
June 22 2021 00:23 GMT
#16
That's a very hard question.

Probably still MC, he literally was Protoss in early WoL and remained competitive for years racking up victories and placements; if not him, Zest.

Stats would have been the best if he were capable of winning one of the three World championship finals he played just as sOs, if he could win a Code S; I also think Rain would have been if he played LoTV instead of BW.
Trap still has approximately one year(I guess) to secure the title but he would need at least a couple of heavy titles to do so.
RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
Chad3132 Posts
June 22 2021 06:29 GMT
#17
I think Stats is the most solid.

mark_lenders
Profile Joined July 2019
74 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-06-22 09:20:40
June 22 2021 09:20 GMT
#18
imagine if stats won half the finals he lost. there would be no doubt about him being the greatest
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
June 22 2021 09:43 GMT
#19
Rain. Had sOs ended his career during similar time like Rain, it would have been harder.
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Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7216 Posts
June 22 2021 11:10 GMT
#20
BossToss is the goat of trash talk! Titles and overall play, not sure. ChinToss or Rain I guess
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