Other than that, he enjoyed a real favorable meta before getting schred into pieces by Life and resorting the worst excuses.
Anyway, I am still curious to see what his performance will be.
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stilt
France2071 Posts
Other than that, he enjoyed a real favorable meta before getting schred into pieces by Life and resorting the worst excuses. Anyway, I am still curious to see what his performance will be. | ||
FunKaDeLiC
France77 Posts
As for the OW informations being thrown around by people that have 100% no idea what they are talking about except for #65, he ended up being crowned OW Contenders Europe champion twice, before transitioning to a coach position in an actual OWLeague team. His team (Eagle Gaming) was considered to be one of the greatest team to play the GOATs composition that was so dominant. A lot revolved around his ability to make plays with a non shiny role of Lucio. All i'm saying is; he's one of the actual best foreigners to play sc2, reached great results in an other esports (it's not like there are dozens of players that have that ability to be champions in two totally different games) and still gets shitted on. I guess this is internet. | ||
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Shuffleblade
Sweden1870 Posts
On January 14 2021 06:48 FunKaDeLiC wrote: People are hating on a great player that showed more results in a year than most others in half a decade. Yes, his "excuses" on the 3-0 debacle (talk about an an amazing format) were bad and even I can't argue against it, but I find it hilarious that people can be that salty about it years after when he arguably was the best foreigner in 2015 producing high quality games. As for the OW informations being thrown around by people that have 100% no idea what they are talking about except for #65, he ended up being crowned OW Contenders Europe champion twice, before transitioning to a coach position in an actual OWLeague team. His team (Eagle Gaming) was considered to be one of the greatest team to play the GOATs composition that was so dominant. A lot revolved around his ability to make plays with a non shiny role of Lucio. All i'm saying is; he's one of the actual best foreigners to play sc2, reached great results in an other esports (it's not like there are dozens of players that have that ability to be champions in two totally different games) and still gets shitted on. I guess this is internet. So "people" are hating and shitting on him? I am very curious which posters you are replying to because most posts here do not fit the description of hating on him (even though there are one or two of those). Mentioning his starcraft 2 past because that is what most of remember about him is not hating. Regarding the overwatch misinformation you are right about that and it was really interesting to read how his time in OW has been since I had no idea. | ||
Charoisaur
Germany13627 Posts
On January 14 2021 01:29 VengefulTree wrote: Nobody seems to be talking about Lilbow's peak form outside of "he was good for a foreigner". Of course I'm a fan, but at the time the way Lilbow shred through his fellow foreigners was insane. He had the best killer instinct I've ever seen in a foreigner, especially knowing their tendencies to gain leads and then throw them away (qxc vs Jaedong I believe?). I remember Lilbow doing things like cancelling 2/2 in a heartbeat the second he saw an opportunity to kill bunny. His blink all-ins in PvT and forcefield micro in PvZ were just ruthless. Also, let's not forget he challenged Hydra multiple times, during an era where he just never lost against foreigners. He ended beating him 3-2 on it's way to his championship, including a game where he came back after being down 1 base to three, on the back of his forcefield micro. + Show Spoiler + Of course he then fell off in Lotv but during the ending of Hots he was truly a special player. ![]() EDIT : Added this crazy defense : + Show Spoiler + I mean, he was the best foreigner in an era were foreigners were shit. challenging Hydra is nice and all but Hydra back then was far from being a top korean player either and he himself admitted he wouldn't have a chance at going far at Blizzcon even if he practiced. Of course it demands respect that he was at one point the best foreigner but we don't need to have any delusions about his skill level back then. | ||
Poopi
France9950 Posts
Still cool to see old faces coming back, and maybe he can still obtain good results in LotV; since he will be a total outsider nowadays there won’t be as much pressure to perform as in early LotV (which was also close to the whole BlizzCon thing, and didn’t help to perform either). | ||
Creager
Germany1571 Posts
On January 14 2021 08:26 Poopi wrote: I don’t really understand why people think he has a shot at having better results than the best foreign Protoss. I don’t think he ever reached ShoWTimE / Neeb or even Astrea level (well Astrea is too young so they didn’t play the same extension at the same time, and Neeb probably was still Terran during hots...). Still cool to see old faces coming back, and maybe he can still obtain good results in LotV; since he will be a total outsider nowadays there won’t be as much pressure to perform as in early LotV (which was also close to the whole BlizzCon thing, and didn’t help to perform either). So with this assessment of yours in mind it makes even less sense for him to (re)-join the playing field now IMHO. As much as I welcome any player infusion to the competitive scene nowadays, Lilbow just brings up a bitter taste in my mouth plus I don't consider him a staple of the community in total, but let's wait and see if he can have any impact. | ||
deacon.frost
Czech Republic10553 Posts
On January 14 2021 08:26 Poopi wrote: I don’t really understand why people think he has a shot at having better results than the best foreign Protoss. I don’t think he ever reached ShoWTimE / Neeb or even Astrea level (well Astrea is too young so they didn’t play the same extension at the same time, and Neeb probably was still Terran during hots...). Still cool to see old faces coming back, and maybe he can still obtain good results in LotV; since he will be a total outsider nowadays there won’t be as much pressure to perform as in early LotV (which was also close to the whole BlizzCon thing, and didn’t help to perform either). It's just based on his past and people would like to see win some Protoss. And Lilbow was able to do that. Will he be able to do that again? Nobody knows. Same thing applied to Taeja when he returned. | ||
Harris1st
Germany4076 Posts
On January 14 2021 04:36 stilt wrote: He had insane mechanics... But I remember him as being pretty arrogant and antipathic. Well, him or me, people can change. Other than that, he enjoyed a real favorable meta before getting schred into pieces by Life and resorting the worst excuses. Anyway, I am still curious to see what his performance will be. Finally someone with an edge to him I say ![]() I miss Naniwa and Idra. | ||
Vision_
290 Posts
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Elentos
53825 Posts
On January 14 2021 08:26 Poopi wrote: I don’t really understand why people think he has a shot at having better results than the best foreign Protoss. I don’t think he ever reached ShoWTimE / Neeb or even Astrea level (well Astrea is too young so they didn’t play the same extension at the same time, and Neeb probably was still Terran during hots...). Still cool to see old faces coming back, and maybe he can still obtain good results in LotV; since he will be a total outsider nowadays there won’t be as much pressure to perform as in early LotV (which was also close to the whole BlizzCon thing, and didn’t help to perform either). Just for the record Neeb was already playing Protoss when Lilbow won WCS. | ||
lechatnoir
265 Posts
On January 14 2021 02:12 Poaktree wrote: About a year ago, he made it to OWL as a coach for Toronto Defiant, one of the OWL team, generally considered to be middle of the pack or in the bottom half. But things didn't work out too well for him and he was released about 4 months ago. Here's his twitlonger about that: https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1srd4vj That was quite inetresting. I had no real idea what an OWL coach would actually do. Shame his time was cut short there. I'm curious to see him play again. | ||
deacon.frost
Czech Republic10553 Posts
On January 15 2021 23:35 lechatnoir wrote: Show nested quote + On January 14 2021 02:12 Poaktree wrote: About a year ago, he made it to OWL as a coach for Toronto Defiant, one of the OWL team, generally considered to be middle of the pack or in the bottom half. But things didn't work out too well for him and he was released about 4 months ago. Here's his twitlonger about that: https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1srd4vj That was quite inetresting. I had no real idea what an OWL coach would actually do. Shame his time was cut short there. I'm curious to see him play again. Didn't realize what OWL means and I was thinking he was into falconry with owls >< It's similar as when i see gg I wonder why General Grievous is being summoned . This Friday was really mentally exhausting. | ||
DarkPlasmaBall
United States39462 Posts
On January 12 2021 07:07 Poopi wrote: Show nested quote + On January 12 2021 06:58 starvingbox wrote: For newcomers to the scene, who exactly is this? Foreigners struggled a lot vs koreans before region lock, especially during HotS. During last HotS year (2015 iirc), Lilbow who is a french protoss player became the best foreigner, mostly on the back of his great blink play (during protoss blink era), and was the only foreigner to qualify for BlizzCon. People thus had high hopes for him, and he got cheesed thrice by Life and lost the bo5 3-0 in something like 30 minutes. It would have been relatively harmless if he didn't say that with everyone practicing LotV, it was hard to find practice partners or something like this. People started mocking him for what they considered a poor excuse for his performance. I'm glad to see that Lilbow is playing again, and I hope he does well, but let's not pretend he was ever the best foreigner for the year 2015. Unless you mean that he was the best French Protoss player? | ||
VengefulTree
Canada634 Posts
On January 16 2021 02:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Show nested quote + On January 12 2021 07:07 Poopi wrote: On January 12 2021 06:58 starvingbox wrote: For newcomers to the scene, who exactly is this? Foreigners struggled a lot vs koreans before region lock, especially during HotS. During last HotS year (2015 iirc), Lilbow who is a french protoss player became the best foreigner, mostly on the back of his great blink play (during protoss blink era), and was the only foreigner to qualify for BlizzCon. People thus had high hopes for him, and he got cheesed thrice by Life and lost the bo5 3-0 in something like 30 minutes. It would have been relatively harmless if he didn't say that with everyone practicing LotV, it was hard to find practice partners or something like this. People started mocking him for what they considered a poor excuse for his performance. I'm glad to see that Lilbow is playing again, and I hope he does well, but let's not pretend he was ever the best foreigner for the year 2015. Unless you mean that he was the best French Protoss player? Who else would it be? According to the 2015 global standings, Lilbow is 13th while the next foreigner is Snute at 26th. Wasn't a very hot year for foreigners ![]() Reference | ||
Poopi
France9950 Posts
On January 16 2021 02:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Show nested quote + On January 12 2021 07:07 Poopi wrote: On January 12 2021 06:58 starvingbox wrote: For newcomers to the scene, who exactly is this? Foreigners struggled a lot vs koreans before region lock, especially during HotS. During last HotS year (2015 iirc), Lilbow who is a french protoss player became the best foreigner, mostly on the back of his great blink play (during protoss blink era), and was the only foreigner to qualify for BlizzCon. People thus had high hopes for him, and he got cheesed thrice by Life and lost the bo5 3-0 in something like 30 minutes. It would have been relatively harmless if he didn't say that with everyone practicing LotV, it was hard to find practice partners or something like this. People started mocking him for what they considered a poor excuse for his performance. I'm glad to see that Lilbow is playing again, and I hope he does well, but let's not pretend he was ever the best foreigner for the year 2015. Unless you mean that he was the best French Protoss player? Well I did not follow sc2 that much in this period but if he was the sole foreigner qualified to BlizzCon, doesn't that make him the de facto best foreigner that year? | ||
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NonY
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CicadaSC
208 Posts
On January 16 2021 05:35 NonY wrote: the game has changed a lot since his peak but i think he'll rise to the new level set by current players Omg it's Nony as well. I wonder if we'll get to see Nony vs Lilbow in 2021?? | ||
WombaT
Northern Ireland15131 Posts
20 hours ago
#83
On January 15 2021 23:35 lechatnoir wrote: Show nested quote + On January 14 2021 02:12 Poaktree wrote: About a year ago, he made it to OWL as a coach for Toronto Defiant, one of the OWL team, generally considered to be middle of the pack or in the bottom half. But things didn't work out too well for him and he was released about 4 months ago. Here's his twitlonger about that: https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1srd4vj That was quite inetresting. I had no real idea what an OWL coach would actually do. Shame his time was cut short there. I'm curious to see him play again. Yeah was an interesting read. Obviously it’s his side of things but it sounds like he has a pretty good mentality in knowing what’s needed to succeed and analysing problems. Hopefully it serves him well in his return to SC2, feel he gets a bit too much flak really for the sake of one Blizzcon. Not really his fault he was the sole foreign hope there. | ||
MarianoSC2
Slovakia1474 Posts
9 hours ago
#84
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