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Has Foreign StarCraft hit rock bottom?

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For those of you that don't get it: https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/565747-has-korean-starcraft-hit-rock-bottom
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2655 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-30 04:56:25
November 30 2020 04:55 GMT
#1
Reddit thread is pondering this very question right now. I've been called a "Foreigner Elitist" here but there are some facts i can't deny.

ESL Pro Tour qualifiers are a ghost town and has a double elim bracket to give foreigners extra chances compared to WCS single elim: Even with the format being more forgiving, EPT qualifiers are still easier than ever and the group stage is mostly(IMO) a formality before things begin.

Neeb finishing 4th in a group with 2 foreigners. Clem, the EU champion, 3-0ed by GSL runner up (in the groups!): We don't even need to bring Maru and Byun into this,this goes beyond "upset" territory(upset would be Serral making it close or Reynor getting 3rd) this is just getting outclassed.

Region lock removed: Even people who faithfully preached the"faceless foreigners are ruining starcraft" dogma think its ok to end region lock.

International tournament winrate: Foreigners have won Blizzcon and GSL vs the World, but they're getting outperformed by Koreans overall, losing every single weekender non-season finals tournament. The Maru/Korean terran finals is no longer only a GSL issue.

I could go on with this for ages, there's plenty to be said about it but i think the most notable facts that concern this discussion are here.
Monochromatic
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States998 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-30 05:08:46
November 30 2020 05:07 GMT
#2
You weren't here in 2010, were you?

I've heard people talk of the exact opposite recently: that Koreans are overrated and players like Reynor, Serral, and Clem were going to dominate. That if Serral went to GSL he'd win easily.

In the end, I think the foreign scene has some good talent, but the KR scene has both talent and depth. Let's see what happens at blizzcon or whatever the yearly finals are called nowadays.

EDIT: Didn't realize this was a satire thread. That's what I get for not reading TL for a couple weeks :D
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algue
Profile Joined July 2011
France1436 Posts
November 30 2020 07:33 GMT
#3
Is this the thread where we discuss about how Terrans willingly under performed for months in order to avoid attracting what little attention Blizzard had left for Sc2 and are over performing now that they know the Nerf Hammer won't ever hit again ?
I suspect Clem was the only one who wasn't in on the ploy because Byun's email wasn't written in french.
rly ?
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
November 30 2020 08:03 GMT
#4
Foreign SC2 in shambles. Blizz should just shut down all servers besides Korea, it s just not worth the cost anymore to give those plebs a chance to play.
MaxPax
osliang
Profile Joined June 2019
China108 Posts
November 30 2020 13:05 GMT
#5
I was thinking this exact thing yesterday LOL
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6998 Posts
November 30 2020 15:46 GMT
#6
Foreign Starcraft was just demolished by a guy who didn't play for 2 years T.T

Guess the Teaja/ Stephano approach to the game is still OP
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
lzupo
Profile Joined November 2020
5 Posts
November 30 2020 15:49 GMT
#7
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33493 Posts
November 30 2020 15:55 GMT
#8
it's a very good question that requires much thoughtful debate
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TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10684 Posts
November 30 2020 16:26 GMT
#9
Honestly I think it is the exact opposite, I feel like foreigners are the strongest they have ever been vs Koreans in the history of StarCraft IMO.
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Gemini_19
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1246 Posts
November 30 2020 16:28 GMT
#10
Excellent shitpost
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SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
November 30 2020 17:06 GMT
#11
If only foreigners cared more
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ilax30
Profile Joined November 2019
720 Posts
November 30 2020 19:37 GMT
#12
On December 01 2020 00:46 Harris1st wrote:
Foreign Starcraft was just demolished by a guy who didn't play for 2 years T.T

Guess the Teaja/ Stephano approach to the game is still OP


Byun actually played quite a bit the last 2 years, so that isnt true at all
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6998 Posts
December 01 2020 08:28 GMT
#13
On December 01 2020 04:37 ilax30 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2020 00:46 Harris1st wrote:
Foreign Starcraft was just demolished by a guy who didn't play for 2 years T.T

Guess the Teaja/ Stephano approach to the game is still OP


Byun actually played quite a bit the last 2 years, so that isnt true at all


Since this is some kind of satire thread I wouldn't take the posts in here too serious
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16017 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-12-01 10:31:10
December 01 2020 10:30 GMT
#14
This is caused by region lock. Foreigners don't need skill to win money so they just lounge around and barely practice.
Then in the international tournaments they get crushed by GSL ro16 cannon fodder.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6998 Posts
December 01 2020 12:05 GMT
#15
On December 01 2020 19:30 Charoisaur wrote:
This is caused by region lock. Foreigners don't need skill to win money so they just lounge around and barely practice.
Then in the international tournaments they get crushed by GSL ro16 cannon fodder.


Yes! This is why we should enforce region lock even more! Save foreign Starcraft!
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12906 Posts
December 01 2020 12:17 GMT
#16
On December 01 2020 00:46 Harris1st wrote:
Foreign Starcraft was just demolished by a guy who didn't play for 2 years T.T

Guess the Teaja/ Stephano approach to the game is still OP

Well barely winning 3-2 isn't getting demolished
Only Cure demolished both EU zergs but they quickly adapted to his mines style
WriterMaru
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9221 Posts
December 01 2020 12:36 GMT
#17
deja vu
Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!
J. Corsair
Profile Joined June 2014
United States470 Posts
December 01 2020 13:57 GMT
#18
Funny thread... Haha...?
“...it is human nature, I suppose, to be futile and ridiculous.” - Scaramouche
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