• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 21:21
CEST 03:21
KST 10:21
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting7[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced!3[ASL20] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Holding On9Maestros of the Game: Live Finals Preview (RO4)5
Community News
Weekly Cups (Oct 6-12): Four star herO65.0.15 Patch Balance Hotfix (2025-10-8)79Weekly Cups (Sept 29-Oct 5): MaxPax triples up3PartinG joins SteamerZone, returns to SC2 competition325.0.15 Balance Patch Notes (Live version)119
StarCraft 2
General
Revisiting the game after10 years and wow it's bad 5.0.15 Patch Balance Hotfix (2025-10-8) TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting How to Block Australia, Brazil, Singapore Servers The New Patch Killed Mech!
Tourneys
SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia Crank Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams LiuLi Cup - September 2025 Tournaments Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace Mutation # 494 Unstable Environment Mutation # 493 Quick Killers Mutation # 492 Get Out More
Brood War
General
Question regarding recent ASL Bisu vs Larva game BW General Discussion [Interview] Grrrr... 2024 BW caster Sayle Map with fog of war removed for one player?
Tourneys
[ASL20] Semifinal B [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL20] Semifinal A SC4ALL $1,500 Open Bracket LAN
Strategy
Relatively freeroll strategies Current Meta BW - ajfirecracker Strategy & Training Siegecraft - a new perspective
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Dawn of War IV Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace Megathread Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640} TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Men's Fashion Thread Sex and weight loss
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Series you have seen recently... Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 NBA General Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Inbreeding: Why Do We Do It…
Peanutsc
From Tilt to Ragequit:The Ps…
TrAiDoS
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1139 users

Has Foreign StarCraft hit rock bottom?

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
For those of you that don't get it: https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/565747-has-korean-starcraft-hit-rock-bottom
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2655 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-30 04:56:25
November 30 2020 04:55 GMT
#1
Reddit thread is pondering this very question right now. I've been called a "Foreigner Elitist" here but there are some facts i can't deny.

ESL Pro Tour qualifiers are a ghost town and has a double elim bracket to give foreigners extra chances compared to WCS single elim: Even with the format being more forgiving, EPT qualifiers are still easier than ever and the group stage is mostly(IMO) a formality before things begin.

Neeb finishing 4th in a group with 2 foreigners. Clem, the EU champion, 3-0ed by GSL runner up (in the groups!): We don't even need to bring Maru and Byun into this,this goes beyond "upset" territory(upset would be Serral making it close or Reynor getting 3rd) this is just getting outclassed.

Region lock removed: Even people who faithfully preached the"faceless foreigners are ruining starcraft" dogma think its ok to end region lock.

International tournament winrate: Foreigners have won Blizzcon and GSL vs the World, but they're getting outperformed by Koreans overall, losing every single weekender non-season finals tournament. The Maru/Korean terran finals is no longer only a GSL issue.

I could go on with this for ages, there's plenty to be said about it but i think the most notable facts that concern this discussion are here.
Monochromatic
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States998 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-30 05:08:46
November 30 2020 05:07 GMT
#2
You weren't here in 2010, were you?

I've heard people talk of the exact opposite recently: that Koreans are overrated and players like Reynor, Serral, and Clem were going to dominate. That if Serral went to GSL he'd win easily.

In the end, I think the foreign scene has some good talent, but the KR scene has both talent and depth. Let's see what happens at blizzcon or whatever the yearly finals are called nowadays.

EDIT: Didn't realize this was a satire thread. That's what I get for not reading TL for a couple weeks :D
MC: "Guys I need your support! iam poor make me nerd baller" __________________________________________RIP Violet
algue
Profile Joined July 2011
France1436 Posts
November 30 2020 07:33 GMT
#3
Is this the thread where we discuss about how Terrans willingly under performed for months in order to avoid attracting what little attention Blizzard had left for Sc2 and are over performing now that they know the Nerf Hammer won't ever hit again ?
I suspect Clem was the only one who wasn't in on the ploy because Byun's email wasn't written in french.
rly ?
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
November 30 2020 08:03 GMT
#4
Foreign SC2 in shambles. Blizz should just shut down all servers besides Korea, it s just not worth the cost anymore to give those plebs a chance to play.
MaxPax
osliang
Profile Joined June 2019
China108 Posts
November 30 2020 13:05 GMT
#5
I was thinking this exact thing yesterday LOL
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6981 Posts
November 30 2020 15:46 GMT
#6
Foreign Starcraft was just demolished by a guy who didn't play for 2 years T.T

Guess the Teaja/ Stephano approach to the game is still OP
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
lzupo
Profile Joined November 2020
5 Posts
November 30 2020 15:49 GMT
#7
--- Nuked ---
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33457 Posts
November 30 2020 15:55 GMT
#8
it's a very good question that requires much thoughtful debate
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10682 Posts
November 30 2020 16:26 GMT
#9
Honestly I think it is the exact opposite, I feel like foreigners are the strongest they have ever been vs Koreans in the history of StarCraft IMO.
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
Gemini_19
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1243 Posts
November 30 2020 16:28 GMT
#10
Excellent shitpost
@GGemini19 GM Protoss | http://www.twitch.tv/geminisc2 | I <333 HerO & Trap | Check out my Build of the Week series on /r/allthingsprotoss, TL, or Spawning Tool
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
November 30 2020 17:06 GMT
#11
If only foreigners cared more
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
ilax30
Profile Joined November 2019
720 Posts
November 30 2020 19:37 GMT
#12
On December 01 2020 00:46 Harris1st wrote:
Foreign Starcraft was just demolished by a guy who didn't play for 2 years T.T

Guess the Teaja/ Stephano approach to the game is still OP


Byun actually played quite a bit the last 2 years, so that isnt true at all
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6981 Posts
December 01 2020 08:28 GMT
#13
On December 01 2020 04:37 ilax30 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2020 00:46 Harris1st wrote:
Foreign Starcraft was just demolished by a guy who didn't play for 2 years T.T

Guess the Teaja/ Stephano approach to the game is still OP


Byun actually played quite a bit the last 2 years, so that isnt true at all


Since this is some kind of satire thread I wouldn't take the posts in here too serious
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15995 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-12-01 10:31:10
December 01 2020 10:30 GMT
#14
This is caused by region lock. Foreigners don't need skill to win money so they just lounge around and barely practice.
Then in the international tournaments they get crushed by GSL ro16 cannon fodder.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6981 Posts
December 01 2020 12:05 GMT
#15
On December 01 2020 19:30 Charoisaur wrote:
This is caused by region lock. Foreigners don't need skill to win money so they just lounge around and barely practice.
Then in the international tournaments they get crushed by GSL ro16 cannon fodder.


Yes! This is why we should enforce region lock even more! Save foreign Starcraft!
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12904 Posts
December 01 2020 12:17 GMT
#16
On December 01 2020 00:46 Harris1st wrote:
Foreign Starcraft was just demolished by a guy who didn't play for 2 years T.T

Guess the Teaja/ Stephano approach to the game is still OP

Well barely winning 3-2 isn't getting demolished
Only Cure demolished both EU zergs but they quickly adapted to his mines style
WriterMaru
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9221 Posts
December 01 2020 12:36 GMT
#17
deja vu
Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!
J. Corsair
Profile Joined June 2014
United States470 Posts
December 01 2020 13:57 GMT
#18
Funny thread... Haha...?
“...it is human nature, I suppose, to be futile and ridiculous.” - Scaramouche
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 9h 39m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft389
Nathanias 109
Vindicta 101
RuFF_SC2 10
Dota 2
PGG 471
monkeys_forever428
Counter-Strike
fl0m667
Stewie2K506
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox297
Other Games
summit1g9369
Day[9].tv626
JimRising 456
C9.Mang0267
ViBE211
Maynarde125
fpsfer 3
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick986
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 57
• HeavenSC 13
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV487
League of Legends
• Doublelift4263
Other Games
• Scarra639
• Day9tv626
Upcoming Events
Wardi Open
9h 39m
CranKy Ducklings
1d 8h
Safe House 2
1d 15h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
Safe House 2
2 days
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4 - TS2
WardiTV TLMC #15
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
EC S1
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual

Upcoming

SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
RSL Offline Finals
RSL Revival: Season 3
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
CranK Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.