Will be awesome if Stats could take the trophy on Sat, but it'll be pretty tough.
Code S: Stats defeats TY; will face Rogue in grand finals…
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col_jung
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Will be awesome if Stats could take the trophy on Sat, but it'll be pretty tough. | ||
pvsnp
7676 Posts
Stats winning GSL before enlisting would be cool though. | ||
BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On August 11 2020 09:56 freelifeffs wrote: imagine stats wins. the whole narrative that protoss cant win tourneys would crumble. the chao this would cause on reddit etc would be a sight to behold. stats should be able to handily beat rogue's zerg this isnt 2019. Zerg is the underdog in the PvZ lategame nowadays | ||
[F_]aths
Germany3947 Posts
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AxiomBlurr
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Sorathez
Australia205 Posts
On August 11 2020 13:00 AxiomBlurr wrote: Rogue will be watching the Serral V Stats vods from the Douyu Cup. Stats of course knows this and will prep a 'series playbook' in response (Protoss, as Parting said is the most creative race for builds). I predict a 4-1 or 4-2 Stats win. If it was a best of 1 or 3 I would predict Rogue, but in an extended series like this Stats will be too much. It's interesting you say that since Rogue has never lost an offline Bo7. He's 8-0 under those conditions, so while my heart says Stats, my head is still pointing towards Rogue winning this one. | ||
parksonsc
173 Posts
On August 11 2020 13:00 AxiomBlurr wrote: Rogue will be watching the Serral V Stats vods from the Douyu Cup. Stats of course knows this and will prep a 'series playbook' in response (Protoss, as Parting said is the most creative race for builds). I predict a 4-1 or 4-2 Stats win. If it was a best of 1 or 3 I would predict Rogue, but in an extended series like this Stats will be too much. Everyone knows Rogue is gonna abuse SH/Nydus and yet he still wins regardless. | ||
darklycid
3113 Posts
On August 11 2020 11:11 BerserkSword wrote: stats should be able to handily beat rogue's zerg this isnt 2019. Zerg is the underdog in the PvZ lategame nowadays Are you drunk? I could see Stats winning the pvz (it's his first one in the playoffs and he has prep time), with some nice builds (and adepts), but it is rogue who looked pretty dominant so far in the playoffs and is known to be insane in bo7 series, so it would be extra impressive by Stats to win. | ||
lolfail9001
Russian Federation40167 Posts
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
And then I wake up and see I missed it and the result was 4:0 Rogue | ||
120720
95 Posts
On August 11 2020 17:50 lolfail9001 wrote: I mean, Rogue is a favorite on every account, bar one: Artosis will pick him to win as well. Has anyone been following SC2, we all know what happens when Artosis cheers for someone. | ||
WombaT
Northern Ireland20421 Posts
On August 11 2020 13:00 AxiomBlurr wrote: Rogue will be watching the Serral V Stats vods from the Douyu Cup. Stats of course knows this and will prep a 'series playbook' in response (Protoss, as Parting said is the most creative race for builds). I predict a 4-1 or 4-2 Stats win. If it was a best of 1 or 3 I would predict Rogue, but in an extended series like this Stats will be too much. Aside from Rogue’s reasonably misleading record in offline best-of-sevens, I’d say in general PvZ works the opposite way to how you’re describing. You need pretty damn tight, well-executed builds that hit hard and deceive your opponent, as well as hope your opponent hasn’t planned something funky that blind counters your plan. Bo3s you can grind out a few builds to near perfection, bo7 you have to grind out way more builds, potential game scenarios with your practice partners and still have them all to a roughly equivalent level. Hence the ‘famous’ Wombat’s Law that Protoss players will lose in a weekend tournament if they have to play a bo5+ against multiple Zergs in a knockout bracket. They run out of tricks and surprises in the locker or the Zerg adjusts, or a combo of both. Notable victims in my memory include Trap in the recent Dreamhack, Zest last IEM Katowice, Stats the Katowice before that and Classic last Blizzcon. Luckily for the right-thinking people who support Protoss as a race or Stats as a glorious human, this is a prep match so Wombat’s Law doesn’t apply! Definitely think he can do it just it be pretty damn tough to pull off. As for Rogue’s bo7 chops I don’t put much stock in that. He’s a very hot and cold player and it’s just been a gauge of him on his hot streaks. As soO eventually won Katowice, so will someone be able to take down Rogue in a bo7 | ||
AxiomBlurr
786 Posts
On August 11 2020 21:11 Wombat_NI wrote: Aside from Rogue’s reasonably misleading record in offline best-of-sevens, I’d say in general PvZ works the opposite way to how you’re describing. You need pretty damn tight, well-executed builds that hit hard and deceive your opponent, as well as hope your opponent hasn’t planned something funky that blind counters your plan. Bo3s you can grind out a few builds to near perfection, bo7 you have to grind out way more builds, potential game scenarios with your practice partners and still have them all to a roughly equivalent level. Hence the ‘famous’ Wombat’s Law that Protoss players will lose in a weekend tournament if they have to play a bo5+ against multiple Zergs in a knockout bracket. They run out of tricks and surprises in the locker or the Zerg adjusts, or a combo of both. Notable victims in my memory include Trap in the recent Dreamhack, Zest last IEM Katowice, Stats the Katowice before that and Classic last Blizzcon. Luckily for the right-thinking people who support Protoss as a race or Stats as a glorious human, this is a prep match so Wombat’s Law doesn’t apply! Definitely think he can do it just it be pretty damn tough to pull off. As for Rogue’s bo7 chops I don’t put much stock in that. He’s a very hot and cold player and it’s just been a gauge of him on his hot streaks. As soO eventually won Katowice, so will someone be able to take down Rogue in a bo7 Interesting take and I dare say if this was another top 5 Protoss I think the law you describe would hold, but of all the Protoss players at the moment none can play the 'pressure into macro game' like Stats does. He reminds me of Rain in his prime in this respect. Able to invest into a pressuring army (not an all in) that forces the Zerg to stop/ slow droning whilst at home Stats macros into the appropriate mid to early late game army and ends the game before the Zerg can worker populate their fifth. Of course Stats could throw in some all ins. But they are the nuances in series planning I am talking about; you have all the varieties of the Protoss BS all ins and you have all the varieties of the 'pressure into macro game.' If Stats is on song on the day it will be very very very hard for Rogue to read. I am actually starting to think that Rogue will cheese to stop the games heading into the late stage. Anyway - HYPE <3 SC2 | ||
BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On August 11 2020 17:19 darklycid wrote: Are you drunk? I could see Stats winning the pvz (it's his first one in the playoffs and he has prep time), with some nice builds (and adepts), but it is rogue who looked pretty dominant so far in the playoffs and is known to be insane in bo7 series, so it would be extra impressive by Stats to win. Well I was drunk when I typed that lol but I still stand by it PvZ is protoss favored. Stats is the most fearsome PvZer on the planet. Stats can defend against pressure better and play the lategame, which is protoss favored | ||
Elentos
55454 Posts
On August 11 2020 21:57 BerserkSword wrote: Well I was drunk when I typed that lol but I still stand by it PvZ is protoss favored. Stats is the most fearsome PvZer on the planet. Stats can defend against pressure better and play the lategame, which is protoss favored Every time you comment on balance I am more convinced that you're accessing TL from a parallel universe. | ||
dysenterymd
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BobFossil1
60 Posts
PvZ is protoss favored. Stats is the most fearsome PvZer on the planet. Stats can defend against pressure better and play the lategame, which is protoss favored I also don't know what games you've been watching, but there's a reason Protosses keep using the completely figured out adept build (and its slight variations). Even Stats uses it! It's easily the most stagnant non-mirror match to watch at the moment. Stats can win because he is Stats and he can cope with incredible pressure put on him and transition smoothly from a multitude of situations, without relying on gimmicks, but even so, that will be a monumental task against someone as fearsome as Rogue. I think it's got potential to be a fantastic final at any rate and the writing's been on the wall about Stat's comeback for a couple of months. I hope he finishes off his good work. | ||
darklycid
3113 Posts
On August 11 2020 21:57 BerserkSword wrote: Well I was drunk when I typed that lol but I still stand by it PvZ is protoss favored. Stats is the most fearsome PvZer on the planet. Stats can defend against pressure better and play the lategame, which is protoss favored Dude this post is 100% wrong, like nothing of it is true. If pvz is protoss favored i'm the pope, can't remember the last pvz lategame win where the zerg didn't play like a complete baboon (and i mean real lategame not the 4 base colossus timings against broods n stuff). Also trap has looked like the deadliest pvz player recently i'd say (what a tournaround man ). | ||
WombaT
Northern Ireland20421 Posts
On August 11 2020 21:59 Elentos wrote: Every time you comment on balance I am more convinced that you're accessing TL from a parallel universe. I may have to kidnap Sword of the Berserk variety, long have I yearned to live in another variety where my life doesn’t suck. I’ll have the added bonus of being favoured against Zerg in macro games, with the slight downside that Battlecruisers will render lategame PvT unwinnable. | ||
Htime
58 Posts
stats should be able to handily beat rogue's zerg this isnt 2019. Zerg is the underdog in the PvZ lategame nowadays Are you drunk? I could see Stats winning the pvz (it's his first one in the playoffs and he has prep time), with some nice builds (and adepts), but it is rogue who looked pretty dominant so far in the playoffs and is known to be insane in bo7 series, so it would be extra impressive by Stats to win. Well I was drunk when I typed that lol but I still stand by it Every time you comment on balance I am more convinced that you're accessing TL from a parallel universe. ROFL drunken pronouncements FTW | ||
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