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Small correction but Maru 2-0'd PartinG in Masters' Coliseum in 2018.
That incredible run shot him up from being perhaps a top thirty player of all time, to a strong candidate to be called the greatest ever.
And it's actually ridiculous to say 'top thirty' prior to 2018. He was easily top 5 even before his four GSL wins. Greatest proleague player of (arguably all time) SC2. OSL, SSL, WESG and consistently high placement in GSL, even in the era when he and innovation were the only ones even qualifying for GSL. I bet if you went back to December 2017 and asked players to rank each other 1-10, Maru would be on 100% of the lists.
Otherwise nice write-up.
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Parting is cheesy, will take one game, maybe more if he's lucky tomorrow. Hope he preapred.
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Cool writeups, looking forward to these games
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United States32419 Posts
On May 20 2020 06:28 Warcloud wrote:Small correction but Maru 2-0'd PartinG in Masters' Coliseum in 2018. Show nested quote +That incredible run shot him up from being perhaps a top thirty player of all time, to a strong candidate to be called the greatest ever.
And it's actually ridiculous to say 'top thirty' prior to 2018. He was easily top 5 even before his four GSL wins. Greatest proleague player of (arguably all time) SC2. OSL, SSL, WESG and consistently high placement in GSL, even in the era when he and innovation were the only ones even qualifying for GSL. I bet if you went back to December 2017 and asked players to rank each other 1-10, Maru would be on 100% of the lists. Otherwise nice write-up.
Yeah in retrospect 30 is really low (I picked a conservative multiple of ten off the top of my head) and Maru is a borderline top-ten player at the time (Maru wins WESG in 2018, btw).
At the end of 2017, I think we're looking at INnoVation, sOs, Mvp, Nestea, MC and Zest as locks, and you can have a pretty healthy debate with guys like Rain, Maru, MMA, TaeJa, ByuN, DRG, MKP, soO, Classic, Polt, Leenock, etc to be top ten or not
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Maru's 2016 Proleague run is overlooked, weird.
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I just can't help myself, I had to bet on the PartinG upset. I have no idea how it's going to happen, I very highly doubt that it will happen, but if it does? It will be glorious!
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Bisutopia18980 Posts
I think that Dark vs Ty is a closer matchup, but I think Parting has a better chance at an upset then Ty. Regardless, it feels like Maru and Dark should advance convincingly and even a 3-2 victory for them is closer then it should be.
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On May 20 2020 07:28 breaker1328 wrote: I just can't help myself, I had to bet on the PartinG upset. I have no idea how it's going to happen, I very highly doubt that it will happen, but if it does? It will be glorious!
For some reason I have a hunch that Parting will upset Maru here. Strange, since I'm also confident that Dark will crush TY. Even though it would be great to see Maru vs Dark again, I just can't shake the feeling that it won't happen.
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On May 20 2020 06:19 MoonyD wrote: As much as I'm a huge fan of Parting, I don't see him making it out alive against Marus. 3-1 would be respectable, but I feel like it'll go 3-0 more likely.
I still don't completely buy into the Dark hype though. Hopefully TY practices enough to surprise everyone and make it out.
Why don't you buy into the Dark hype? He has arguably been the most consistently strong player for years. Since 2015 (first time he placed in a premier semifinal), he's gotten to the semis or better of 23 premier events (and that's excluding wcs cross finals, of which he has a gold and silver medal). If anything, he's often underrated because he only has 4 premier golds. However, 3 of those are in the past year (best overall player of 2019) and he's coming off of a silver in super tournament. Even if he gets 3-0d by TY, he deserves every bit of hype imo.
Here's some fun stats. Let's say podium is semifinals or better at a premier event. Over the same time period as the start of Dark's real success until now (2015-present), here's the number of times KR players have reached podium.
Dark is 23. Maru is 16. Rogue is 9. Ty is 12. Trap is 6. Classic is 16. Innovation is 12 (if we include GPC 2019). Stats is 20 (!). SoO is 9. Serral is 20 but obviously competes in a different circuit.
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On May 20 2020 10:08 arcane1129 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2020 06:19 MoonyD wrote: As much as I'm a huge fan of Parting, I don't see him making it out alive against Marus. 3-1 would be respectable, but I feel like it'll go 3-0 more likely.
I still don't completely buy into the Dark hype though. Hopefully TY practices enough to surprise everyone and make it out. Why don't you buy into the Dark hype? He has arguably been the most consistently strong player for years. Since 2015 (first time he placed in a premier semifinal), he's gotten to the semis or better of 23 premier events (and that's excluding wcs cross finals, of which he has a gold and silver medal). If anything, he's often underrated because he only has 4 premier golds. However, 3 of those are in the past year (best overall player of 2019) and he's coming off of a silver in super tournament. Even if he gets 3-0d by TY, he deserves every bit of hype imo. Here's some fun stats. Let's say podium is semifinals or better at a premier event. Over the same time period as the start of Dark's real success until now (2015-present), here's the number of times KR players have reached podium. Dark is 23. Maru is 16. Rogue is 9. Ty is 12. Trap is 6. Classic is 16. Innovation is 12 (if we include GPC 2019). Stats is 20 (!).
i've always felt Dark and Stats were some of the most consistent players ever and these numbers really attest to that.
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Korea (South)227 Posts
"Small correction but Maru 2-0'd PartinG in Masters' Coliseum in 2018."
He did, but I deliberately didn't include that online bout, if only because it was the very odd spat within a career where PartinG basically bullied Maru whenever offline. Hope that helps!
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There will be upset! Very certain!
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On May 20 2020 09:11 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2020 07:28 breaker1328 wrote: I just can't help myself, I had to bet on the PartinG upset. I have no idea how it's going to happen, I very highly doubt that it will happen, but if it does? It will be glorious! For some reason I have a hunch that Parting will upset Maru here. Strange, since I'm also confident that Dark will crush TY. Even though it would be great to see Maru vs Dark again, I just can't shake the feeling that it won't happen.
Parting is definitely the dark horse here, mostly because of his play style. But if we really think about it, Parting is playing well enough that him beating Maru wouldn’t be out of the world.
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On May 20 2020 07:08 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2020 06:28 Warcloud wrote:Small correction but Maru 2-0'd PartinG in Masters' Coliseum in 2018. That incredible run shot him up from being perhaps a top thirty player of all time, to a strong candidate to be called the greatest ever.
And it's actually ridiculous to say 'top thirty' prior to 2018. He was easily top 5 even before his four GSL wins. Greatest proleague player of (arguably all time) SC2. OSL, SSL, WESG and consistently high placement in GSL, even in the era when he and innovation were the only ones even qualifying for GSL. I bet if you went back to December 2017 and asked players to rank each other 1-10, Maru would be on 100% of the lists. Otherwise nice write-up. Yeah in retrospect 30 is really low (I picked a conservative multiple of ten off the top of my head) and Maru is a borderline top-ten player at the time (Maru wins WESG in 2018, btw). At the end of 2017, I think we're looking at INnoVation, sOs, Mvp, Nestea, MC and Zest as locks, and you can have a pretty healthy debate with guys like Rain, Maru, MMA, TaeJa, ByuN, DRG, MKP, soO, Classic, Polt, Leenock, etc to be top ten or not No chance Maru isn't ahead of ByuN, DRG, MMA, Polt, Leenock, or MKP. Even pre 4 GSLs, none of them can match his proleague record or performance in starleagues (during kespa). If you look at only korean events (specifically starleagues/proleague) it's not even close. Hell, if you look season by season during HotS, he was the best terran in korea more times than even INno was.
(here's a fun fact for the GOAT argument, over every starleague season since 2013, Maru did better 14, INno in 5, and they had one season with the same finish)
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Poor BigBoy
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Nice writeup. I had no idea PartinG tried to be a pro at LOL and glorious of kings, well I didint even know there is an esport about a phone game
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Really glad TY and Parting made it through, but RIP my liquibets.
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On May 20 2020 21:16 ImmortalGhost wrote: Really glad TY and Parting made it through, but RIP my liquibets. I gotta make my Liquibets and bracket predictions in an excel, then before submitting, reverse all of them. It would improve my standings considerably
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On May 21 2020 15:33 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2020 21:16 ImmortalGhost wrote: Really glad TY and Parting made it through, but RIP my liquibets. I gotta make my Liquibets and bracket predictions in an excel, then before submitting, reverse all of them. It would improve my standings considerably You d be the king of the TSL prediction contest by a hugh Margin
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