EPTJin Air's SC2 head coach Cha Ji-Hun is moving to the org's LoL division ahead of the upcoming 2020 season. The SC2 roster will now presumably be run solely by herb (Ha Tae-Jun).
Jin Air move SC2 head coach to LoL
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Ziggy
Poland1662 Posts
Jin Air's SC2 head coach Cha Ji-Hun is moving to the org's LoL division ahead of the upcoming 2020 season. The SC2 roster will now presumably be run solely by herb (Ha Tae-Jun). | ||
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Obamarauder
279 Posts
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Akio
Finland1374 Posts
With this however, I'm mindblown as to why the Jin Air org would invest in LoL when their team is at best, the last place team in the LCK. In the summer season they went 0-18 in series. Now I'm looking at the Spring 2020 promotion tournament brackets and they didn't even make it back, meaning they will play in the challengers series. Am I completely out of the current economic situation in the Korean esports scene, or does this make any sense? From the little LCK I've watched, Jin Air is but a meme because of the repetitive pattern in which their games go. Whereas, as dying as it may be, in the SC2 scene, they won 2/3 Code S titles with 2 unique players, and the third unique player made it into 2 finals in a row. Is this completely irrelevant? Is there simply no money in SC2 that it's a better decision to move the SC2 head coach to LoL? | ||
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RandomPlayer
Russian Federation335 Posts
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SamirDuran
Philippines552 Posts
On November 20 2019 00:20 Akio wrote: Normally I would just kind of be sad (which I still am) because a StarCraft player/coach went to the League scene, but only because it seemed sort of inevitable. With this however, I'm mindblown as to why the Jin Air org would invest in LoL when their team is at best, the last place team in the LCK. In the summer season they went 0-18 in series. Now I'm looking at the Spring 2020 promotion tournament brackets and they didn't even make it back, meaning they will play in the challengers series. Am I completely out of the current economic situation in the Korean esports scene, or does this make any sense? From the little LCK I've watched, Jin Air is but a meme because of the repetitive pattern in which their games go. Whereas, as dying as it may be, in the SC2 scene, they won 2/3 Code S titles with 2 unique players, and the third unique player made it into 2 finals in a row. Is this completely irrelevant? Is there simply no money in SC2 that it's a better decision to move the SC2 head coach to LoL? If that's their situation at LCK then I understand the movement. This Jin Air sc2 coach produced 2 champions in sc2 this year whilst their LoL team was laughing stock. Sc2 team can survive on their own and if they still have a coach in the form of herb then good for them. Dunno what's herb role tho. | ||
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Wombat_NI
Northern Ireland13352 Posts
Tbh I’d always assumed $o$ did a fair bit of strategic prep in that setup, more than anyone else. Zero idea if that’s actually true but it sorta fits how he plays his own games. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic9516 Posts
On November 20 2019 00:20 Akio wrote: Normally I would just kind of be sad (which I still am) because a StarCraft player/coach went to the League scene, but only because it seemed sort of inevitable. With this however, I'm mindblown as to why the Jin Air org would invest in LoL when their team is at best, the last place team in the LCK. In the summer season they went 0-18 in series. Now I'm looking at the Spring 2020 promotion tournament brackets and they didn't even make it back, meaning they will play in the challengers series. Am I completely out of the current economic situation in the Korean esports scene, or does this make any sense? From the little LCK I've watched, Jin Air is but a meme because of the repetitive pattern in which their games go. Whereas, as dying as it may be, in the SC2 scene, they won 2/3 Code S titles with 2 unique players, and the third unique player made it into 2 finals in a row. Is this completely irrelevant? Is there simply no money in SC2 that it's a better decision to move the SC2 head coach to LoL? From the PR perspective you need as many people in LoL then, right? If LoL is bigger than SC2 in Korea(which I think it is) then you can sacrifice SC2 for LoL. Especially if the SC2 team can go for a year on their own as Blizzard didn't announce anything really long term. A brand being a laughing stock isn't good for the brand  | ||
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SiegfriedSC
2 Posts
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Waxangel
United States28749 Posts
On November 20 2019 02:21 SiegfriedSC wrote: I think this says a lot more on the state of their league team than it does the sc2 scene. I think the rest of the LOL team roster construction will tell us what it really means. If they bring in strong players that make them favorites to win Challenger, then it means they viewed coach Cha as a legitimate, first-choice option to lead Jin Air back to LCK. If they're just scrapping together a roster, then it means that while they're unwilling to get out of esports entirely, they're at a 'barely-scrapping-by' level of expenditure where they're just recycling existing personnel and resources. | ||
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BerserkSword
United States1754 Posts
On November 20 2019 02:21 SiegfriedSC wrote: I think this says a lot more on the state of their league team than it does the sc2 scene. Idk man. I think ocean gaming (or was it splyce) cut their sc2 team. Hero, fantasy, Gumiho all leaving sc2 next year despite not having to (like classic does). Those are HUGE names and talents just leaving early. You would think that in a robust scene such talents would stick around to milk it as long as possible. These kinds of things combined with sc2 getting snubbed at Blizzcon - I cant help but think some major paradigm shift of the sc2 scene is occurring. What if this is the beginning of the end. | ||
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Sabaton94
9 Posts
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Xain0n
Italy3086 Posts
On November 20 2019 06:58 BerserkSword wrote: Idk man. I think ocean gaming (or was it splyce) cut their sc2 team. Hero, fantasy, Gumiho all leaving sc2 next year despite not having to (like classic does). Those are HUGE names and talents just leaving early. You would think that in a robust scene such talents would stick around to milk it as long as possible. These kinds of things combined with sc2 getting snubbed at Blizzcon - I cant help but think some major paradigm shift of the sc2 scene is occurring. What if this is the beginning of the end. Gumiho and herO had but few months left before joining the army, they are indeed in Classic's situation; the exceptional thing was Fantasy coming back to Sc2 at all, not him quitting competive gaming at the age of 28. | ||
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Slydie
799 Posts
On November 20 2019 09:10 Sabaton94 wrote: It sucks, but I think this will be the last season of sc2. It sucks since Blizzard is killing all their games. Even HS is at big risk of being overtaken by Legends of Runeterra If Twitch numbers is any indicator, Legends of Runeterra had a whooping 580 total viewers while Hearthstone had 34k. There was no special heathstone event going on but the Battlegrounds might inflate the number slightly. I doubt there is a "big risk of being overtaken" though... | ||
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ScarletAerie
33 Posts
On November 20 2019 09:56 Slydie wrote: If Twitch numbers is any indicator, Legends of Runeterra had a whooping 580 total viewers while Hearthstone had 34k. There was no special heathstone event going on but the Battlegrounds might inflate the number slightly. I doubt there is a "big risk of being overtaken" though... Regarding HS and LOR we'll see in a couple of years. LOR is still in closed beta. I do think it has potential because riots fan base is so huge. | ||
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Sabaton94
9 Posts
On November 20 2019 09:56 Slydie wrote: first day i watched (14) runeterra was 30k over HS. The only other i checked HS was ahead but because of a tournament. For an Alpha, thats pretty promisingIf Twitch numbers is any indicator, Legends of Runeterra had a whooping 580 total viewers while Hearthstone had 34k. There was no special heathstone event going on but the Battlegrounds might inflate the number slightly. I doubt there is a "big risk of being overtaken" though... | ||
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Hvvacha
73 Posts
On November 20 2019 06:58 BerserkSword wrote: Idk man. I think ocean gaming (or was it splyce) cut their sc2 team. Hero, fantasy, Gumiho all leaving sc2 next year despite not having to (like classic does). Those are HUGE names and talents just leaving early. You would think that in a robust scene such talents would stick around to milk it as long as possible. These kinds of things combined with sc2 getting snubbed at Blizzcon - I cant help but think some major paradigm shift of the sc2 scene is occurring. What if this is the beginning of the end. they're all 27, why 'not having to'. | ||
GTR
48769 Posts
https://tl.net/blogs/83264-herbshield-birth-of-a-legend https://tl.net/blogs/83445-herbshield-death-of-a-newbie https://tl.net/blogs/91699-the-glorious-return-of-herbshield | ||
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Akio
Finland1374 Posts
On November 20 2019 01:33 deacon.frost wrote: From the PR perspective you need as many people in LoL then, right? If LoL is bigger than SC2 in Korea(which I think it is) then you can sacrifice SC2 for LoL. Especially if the SC2 team can go for a year on their own as Blizzard didn't announce anything really long term. A brand being a laughing stock isn't good for the brand Guess the point of the SC2 team being able to survive on its own is a valid one. And their LoL team REALLY needs better PR yes. | ||
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BerserkSword
United States1754 Posts
On November 20 2019 09:50 Xain0n wrote: Gumiho and herO had but few months left before joining the army, they are indeed in Classic's situation; the exceptional thing was Fantasy coming back to Sc2 at all, not him quitting competive gaming at the age of 28. I'm pretty sure gumiho and hero had another year left | ||
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lechatnoir
231 Posts
On November 21 2019 16:01 BerserkSword wrote: I'm pretty sure gumiho and hero had another year left Psistorm said in the goodbye-Post that Gumiho was forbidden to travel abroad to IEM. Sounds rather urgent to me. | ||
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