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On August 09 2019 03:08 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2019 23:02 Harris1st wrote:On August 08 2019 22:54 Charoisaur wrote:On August 08 2019 22:52 Xain0n wrote:On August 08 2019 22:46 Charoisaur wrote:On August 08 2019 22:34 Ej_ wrote:On August 08 2019 22:17 Argonauta wrote:
imho Stats deserves the second spot. He at least has won something lately On the other hand, he lost to soO at HSC in a disappointing fashion and didn't look super crisp in GSL. IMHO it comes down to daily form in the top 6 (or even 8) and you can justify almost any placement there. Dark and Classic are the only ones who didn't have a really dissappointing performance this year so they should be #1 and #2 imo. After that I agree. Disagree with downgrading Classic just because he didn't play in that much. Last year they kept Serral at #5-#6 for months despite him playing no relevant competition. "No relevant competition" is how you see it, Serral was playing games unlike Classic did last month. Pretty sure Classic played and advanced from his Code S group. With a loss to Creator and a map loss to Keen... that really doesnt cry for #2 EDIT: I would even go so far an put Stats #3 and Classic #4 Meanwhile Serral almost lost to Time
Context is important dear friend. And what does almost lost even mean? Cause I'm pretty sure he won
Context part:
Classic only played very few games and looked super shaky in those.
Serral played a whole lot of more games, won stuff, placed top 4 in some other stuff and really lost what? a final and a semi final.
Your post is like the whole Meomaika drama again: Maru won 4 GSL but lost to Meomaika,so he must be really bad 
EDIT: The PR team will NEVER satisfy all of us. It is impossible. Cut them some slack 
I'm just glad they continue, cause PR's are always fun discussions
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On August 09 2019 07:59 UtherTruthBringer wrote:
How the hell can you not put stats as number one?
Out of the top players on this list he beat just Serral. While Dark still has his Code S title and no hiccups. Let's not forget that he didn't win the ROG with the cleanest way possible either. So, uh, yeah.
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Based only on recent form Serral over Solar is outrageous. However based on track record it’s totally reasonable. I do think stats should be #2 or no worse than #3 though. He beat a lot of very good players and did it in dominant fashion. His control was just at a higher level.
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On August 09 2019 09:33 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2019 07:38 Xain0n wrote:On August 09 2019 04:56 MarianoSC2 wrote:On August 09 2019 04:42 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 09 2019 04:10 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Serral should be barely top 5 this time imo. His play against the real opposition (and Reynor) has quite diminished his unbreakable status. Yes he won HSC (barely), but then lost to Reynor, Stats and was very lucky not to get swept by Time 3:0.
My ranking would be:
1. Dark; 2. Stats; 3. Trap; 4. Classic; 5. Serral; 6. Solar; 7. Maru etc.
Reynor truly has no place in the top 10. He only got the mention because he beat Serral. His ZvT and ZvP are good for WCS standards, but very sub-par for GSL standard. What real opposition is this? In the relatively recent past he’s taken out soO and TY at HSC, he convincingly beat Inno in brackets at ASUS ROG. Stats and Serral probably have the most similar recent results of anyone in this list, a title apiece in tournaments and a top 4 and top 6 respectively where they both played, runner up and Ro16 in the most recent action in their circuit tournament. Stats probably shades it due to triumphing whenever they’ve met in tournaments recently, I don’t think there’s much of gap otherwise. Granted, I value Serral very high because he does not seem to have slump periods like other pros. But when the other top pros are in form (Inno and soO at the start of the year, Stats now), they seem to beat him in those periods. I would be very intrested how Serral would perform if he had 1 year in GSL. If he would make RO8 consistently, or seem to struggle at times as well against better opposition. Yea, and when Serral is in form, he just never loses  "Almost losing" is just like "almost winning", it doesn't really count. Same with Maru, Inno, Stats, Dark, Rogue. They've all won 100% of the tournaments where they were in form. When they lost it was because they weren't playing at their best.
Hey Dark has lost tournaments while being in his best form at the time
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On August 09 2019 11:36 youngjiddle wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2019 21:29 Xain0n wrote:
This power ranking is for sure consistent, I also think Reynor could have been #10.
If Serral wins GSL vs The World he should eventually be #1. He won GSL vs The World and didn't get #1 here. even after beating Blizzcon he didn't. Lol.
The one and only reason Serral wasn't at the #1 spot on a power rank after BlizzCon was because we didn't do a power rank until March 2019. You know, after IEM Katowice, WESG and WCS Winter.
On August 09 2019 11:36 youngjiddle wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2019 07:59 UtherTruthBringer wrote:
How the hell can you not put stats as number one? They change the goal posts every PR. Sometimes someone new wins a tournament and shoots to rank 1-2, sometimes someone remains high after poor results. I doubt the PR team actually does a mathematical, weighted scoring system to determine a ranking and instead goes off biased opinions on who they feel is good. I would love to be surprised though!
The rank is an aggregate, average ranking based on the lists submitted by the individual writers.
On August 12 2019 04:16 Fango wrote:
Hey Dark has lost tournaments while being in his best form at the time
Yeah that's a bit harsh ;____;
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On August 12 2019 05:22 hexhaven wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2019 11:36 youngjiddle wrote:On August 08 2019 21:29 Xain0n wrote:
This power ranking is for sure consistent, I also think Reynor could have been #10.
If Serral wins GSL vs The World he should eventually be #1. He won GSL vs The World and didn't get #1 here. even after beating Blizzcon he didn't. Lol. The one and only reason Serral wasn't at the #1 spot on a power rank after BlizzCon was because we didn't do a power rank until March 2019. You know, after IEM Katowice, WESG and WCS Winter. Show nested quote +On August 09 2019 11:36 youngjiddle wrote:On August 09 2019 07:59 UtherTruthBringer wrote:
How the hell can you not put stats as number one? They change the goal posts every PR. Sometimes someone new wins a tournament and shoots to rank 1-2, sometimes someone remains high after poor results. I doubt the PR team actually does a mathematical, weighted scoring system to determine a ranking and instead goes off biased opinions on who they feel is good. I would love to be surprised though! The rank is an aggregate, average ranking based on the lists submitted by the individual writers. Show nested quote +On August 12 2019 04:16 Fango wrote:
Hey Dark has lost tournaments while being in his best form at the time Yeah that's a bit harsh ;____;
Well, technically you released a Power Ranking right before HSC
XVIII(ehm...). And the first PR in 2019 was published immediately after Katowice if I remember correctly, before WESG and WCS Winter finals.
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On August 12 2019 08:02 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2019 05:22 hexhaven wrote:On August 09 2019 11:36 youngjiddle wrote:On August 08 2019 21:29 Xain0n wrote:
This power ranking is for sure consistent, I also think Reynor could have been #10.
If Serral wins GSL vs The World he should eventually be #1. He won GSL vs The World and didn't get #1 here. even after beating Blizzcon he didn't. Lol. The one and only reason Serral wasn't at the #1 spot on a power rank after BlizzCon was because we didn't do a power rank until March 2019. You know, after IEM Katowice, WESG and WCS Winter. On August 09 2019 11:36 youngjiddle wrote:On August 09 2019 07:59 UtherTruthBringer wrote:
How the hell can you not put stats as number one? They change the goal posts every PR. Sometimes someone new wins a tournament and shoots to rank 1-2, sometimes someone remains high after poor results. I doubt the PR team actually does a mathematical, weighted scoring system to determine a ranking and instead goes off biased opinions on who they feel is good. I would love to be surprised though! The rank is an aggregate, average ranking based on the lists submitted by the individual writers. On August 12 2019 04:16 Fango wrote:
Hey Dark has lost tournaments while being in his best form at the time Yeah that's a bit harsh ;____; Well, technically you released a Power Ranking right before HSC XVIII(ehm...). And the first PR in 2019 was published immediately after Katowice if I remember correctly, before WESG and WCS Winter finals.
You're right, Katowice was before WESG and Winter, got my events mixed up!
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On August 12 2019 08:02 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2019 05:22 hexhaven wrote:On August 09 2019 11:36 youngjiddle wrote:On August 08 2019 21:29 Xain0n wrote:
This power ranking is for sure consistent, I also think Reynor could have been #10.
If Serral wins GSL vs The World he should eventually be #1. He won GSL vs The World and didn't get #1 here. even after beating Blizzcon he didn't. Lol. The one and only reason Serral wasn't at the #1 spot on a power rank after BlizzCon was because we didn't do a power rank until March 2019. You know, after IEM Katowice, WESG and WCS Winter. On August 09 2019 11:36 youngjiddle wrote:On August 09 2019 07:59 UtherTruthBringer wrote:
How the hell can you not put stats as number one? They change the goal posts every PR. Sometimes someone new wins a tournament and shoots to rank 1-2, sometimes someone remains high after poor results. I doubt the PR team actually does a mathematical, weighted scoring system to determine a ranking and instead goes off biased opinions on who they feel is good. I would love to be surprised though! The rank is an aggregate, average ranking based on the lists submitted by the individual writers. On August 12 2019 04:16 Fango wrote:
Hey Dark has lost tournaments while being in his best form at the time Yeah that's a bit harsh ;____; Well, technically you released a Power Ranking right before HSC XVIII(ehm...). And the first PR in 2019 was published immediately after Katowice if I remember correctly, before WESG and WCS Winter finals.
Should have done the full Rogue and won Katowice then
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On August 09 2019 09:34 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2019 09:24 Argonauta wrote:On August 09 2019 02:09 Xain0n wrote:On August 09 2019 01:56 Argonauta wrote:On August 09 2019 01:39 Waxangel wrote:On August 09 2019 01:21 Fango wrote:On August 09 2019 01:00 Waxangel wrote:On August 09 2019 00:37 Xain0n wrote:On August 09 2019 00:17 stilt wrote:
For once, I feel like you overestimated serral xD
I mean, top 2 could be fine but stats played so amazingly to beat him that I think he should be above him. Previous power rankings are taken into consideration. I've always said that most PR disputes boil down to the exact amount of past credit people feel like a player deserves Players who have won many championships in the past usually have the potential to keep doing it, so it makes sense. The idea of a PR should be an indication of who's most likely to win a championship if one was played this month. To prove my own point, I disagree While I think some people might prefer a version of the PR where Maru and Serral were top two for an entire year, I like the inclusion of just enough 'what have you done for me lately?' to keep things moving. Well then, Stats is top 2 for sure and Solar is a bit up He said "just enough", not "almost entirely". yes, thats why I said what I said Not really, Stats and Solar didn't do much before this month to justify such a high placement; Stats #2 and Solar higher on the list is fine it you just take into consideration the latest period.
Well Stats won Asus Rog and Solar got placed second and both won their respective GSL groups. Giving the fact there was no other significative competition in this time spam, despite that invitational that Maru won, i think is enough to push them higher and mix the Power ranking a bit more.
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I guess the next ranking will hurt Dark a lot.
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On August 15 2019 17:59 swarminfestor wrote:
I guess the next ranking will hurt Dark a lot.
And also Maru. Dark clearly underestimated Elazer and got outplayed 4 out of 5 matches, so i don't think he should drop that much. His ego got him eliminated, while Maru looked completly lost and outplayed by Stats.
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On August 15 2019 21:45 midhigh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2019 17:59 swarminfestor wrote:
I guess the next ranking will hurt Dark a lot. And also Maru. Dark clearly underestimated Elazer and got outplayed 4 out of 5 matches, so i don't think he should drop that much. His ego got him eliminated, while Maru looked completly lost and outplayed by Stats.
Depends if they wait for the RO16 to finish or not considering it's being played during the last week of August and the first one of Sep.
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On August 15 2019 23:37 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2019 21:45 midhigh wrote:On August 15 2019 17:59 swarminfestor wrote:
I guess the next ranking will hurt Dark a lot. And also Maru. Dark clearly underestimated Elazer and got outplayed 4 out of 5 matches, so i don't think he should drop that much. His ego got him eliminated, while Maru looked completly lost and outplayed by Stats. Depends if they wait for the RO16 to finish or not considering it's being played during the last week of August and the first one of Sep.
They should, but even Dark stomping his group in Code S wouldn't be enough for him to keep his #1 spot after losing in the ro16 as GSL's reigning champion against a player ranked #29 on Aligulac, in my opinion.
Maru sits at #6 in this Power Ranking and while he looked horrendous in his 0-3 loss against Stats, his Code S group is the group of death and advancing convincingly may net him some position on the next PR.
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On August 16 2019 02:33 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2019 23:37 deacon.frost wrote:On August 15 2019 21:45 midhigh wrote:On August 15 2019 17:59 swarminfestor wrote:
I guess the next ranking will hurt Dark a lot. And also Maru. Dark clearly underestimated Elazer and got outplayed 4 out of 5 matches, so i don't think he should drop that much. His ego got him eliminated, while Maru looked completly lost and outplayed by Stats. Depends if they wait for the RO16 to finish or not considering it's being played during the last week of August and the first one of Sep. They should, but even Dark stomping his group in Code S wouldn't be enough for him to keep his #1 spot after losing in the ro16 as GSL's reigning champion against a player ranked #29 on Aligulac, in my opinion. Maru sits at #6 in this Power Ranking and while he looked horrendous in his 0-3 loss against Stats, his Code S group is the group of death and advancing convincingly may net him some position on the next PR.
If Serral win GSL vs World, there is no doubt they will place him on the top of ranking this month because he will not play against any Korean GSL player onwards (beside Nationwar) until before Blizzcon. So, his performances wont change so much that it will affect the ranking.
Another possibility, Stats will ascend to the top if he win the GSL vs World provided that he must get out of the ro.16 bracket in the next GSL. Stats must overcome two more hurdles in order to be in the top compared to Serral who needs to win GSL vs World only.
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On August 15 2019 21:45 midhigh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2019 17:59 swarminfestor wrote:
I guess the next ranking will hurt Dark a lot. And also Maru. Dark clearly underestimated Elazer and got outplayed 4 out of 5 matches, so i don't think he should drop that much. His ego got him eliminated, while Maru looked completly lost and outplayed by Stats.
I mean, if Dark doesn't completely botch his spine crawler placement on g1, Dark sweeps the series 3-0, and instead of talking about how hurt Dark's pride should be, we would all be talking about how Elazer the foreigner truly didn't deserve his spot and how Scarlett would have done so much better and what a crime it is that he "stole" that spot from her. The only game I think was truly embarrassing for Dark was game 1.
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On August 16 2019 23:35 StasisField wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2019 21:45 midhigh wrote:On August 15 2019 17:59 swarminfestor wrote:
I guess the next ranking will hurt Dark a lot. And also Maru. Dark clearly underestimated Elazer and got outplayed 4 out of 5 matches, so i don't think he should drop that much. His ego got him eliminated, while Maru looked completly lost and outplayed by Stats. I mean, if Dark doesn't completely botch his spine crawler placement on g1, Dark sweeps the series 3-0, and instead of talking about how hurt Dark's pride should be, we would all be talking about how Elazer the foreigner truly didn't deserve his spot and how Scarlett would have done so much better and what a crime it is that he "stole" that spot from her. The only game I think was truly embarrassing for Dark was game 1.
trust me, a lot more than a spine crawler placement was needed for a 3-0 LUL
he isn't serral
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On August 16 2019 23:40 KalWarkov wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2019 23:35 StasisField wrote:On August 15 2019 21:45 midhigh wrote:On August 15 2019 17:59 swarminfestor wrote:
I guess the next ranking will hurt Dark a lot. And also Maru. Dark clearly underestimated Elazer and got outplayed 4 out of 5 matches, so i don't think he should drop that much. His ego got him eliminated, while Maru looked completly lost and outplayed by Stats. I mean, if Dark doesn't completely botch his spine crawler placement on g1, Dark sweeps the series 3-0, and instead of talking about how hurt Dark's pride should be, we would all be talking about how Elazer the foreigner truly didn't deserve his spot and how Scarlett would have done so much better and what a crime it is that he "stole" that spot from her. The only game I think was truly embarrassing for Dark was game 1. trust me, a lot more than a spine crawler placement was needed for a 3-0 LUL he isn't serral
But he literally won g2 and g3. The spotted spine crawler killed his chances of winning g1. It is entirely within the realm of possibility that he would have easily won g1 if that hadn't gotten spotted, especially considering Elazer admitted in his post-game interview that he was nervous and did not expect Dark to cheese.
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On August 16 2019 23:40 KalWarkov wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2019 23:35 StasisField wrote:On August 15 2019 21:45 midhigh wrote:On August 15 2019 17:59 swarminfestor wrote:
I guess the next ranking will hurt Dark a lot. And also Maru. Dark clearly underestimated Elazer and got outplayed 4 out of 5 matches, so i don't think he should drop that much. His ego got him eliminated, while Maru looked completly lost and outplayed by Stats. I mean, if Dark doesn't completely botch his spine crawler placement on g1, Dark sweeps the series 3-0, and instead of talking about how hurt Dark's pride should be, we would all be talking about how Elazer the foreigner truly didn't deserve his spot and how Scarlett would have done so much better and what a crime it is that he "stole" that spot from her. The only game I think was truly embarrassing for Dark was game 1. trust me, a lot more than a spine crawler placement was needed for a 3-0 LUL he isn't serral
Had he placed the spine properly in g1 there's a decent chance he wins, so given he stomped games 2 and 3, yeah
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On August 17 2019 07:26 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2019 23:40 KalWarkov wrote:On August 16 2019 23:35 StasisField wrote:On August 15 2019 21:45 midhigh wrote:On August 15 2019 17:59 swarminfestor wrote:
I guess the next ranking will hurt Dark a lot. And also Maru. Dark clearly underestimated Elazer and got outplayed 4 out of 5 matches, so i don't think he should drop that much. His ego got him eliminated, while Maru looked completly lost and outplayed by Stats. I mean, if Dark doesn't completely botch his spine crawler placement on g1, Dark sweeps the series 3-0, and instead of talking about how hurt Dark's pride should be, we would all be talking about how Elazer the foreigner truly didn't deserve his spot and how Scarlett would have done so much better and what a crime it is that he "stole" that spot from her. The only game I think was truly embarrassing for Dark was game 1. trust me, a lot more than a spine crawler placement was needed for a 3-0 LUL he isn't serral Had he placed the spine properly in g1 there's a decent chance he wins, so given he stomped games 2 and 3, yeah
Assuming the other two games go the same and the two players don’t alter their approach based upon how game one went.
If it’s a set 5 and it’s the decider then yeah, you can say if x player did this better they’d have won.
If it’s the first set then I don’t think you can just add that game to what happened subsequently and come up with a 3-0. Maybe Elazer plays safe in set 2 to avoid an early loss again and Dark gets corners for greed and goes for a simple 2-0, or maybe Dark decides to play greedy with a 1-0 and Elazer decides after a cheese loss to say fuck it and cheese game 2 and evens it up.
Sure people have their plans going into a series but they’re influenced by how the series is going as well.
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On August 17 2019 11:31 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2019 07:26 Fango wrote:On August 16 2019 23:40 KalWarkov wrote:On August 16 2019 23:35 StasisField wrote:On August 15 2019 21:45 midhigh wrote:On August 15 2019 17:59 swarminfestor wrote:
I guess the next ranking will hurt Dark a lot. And also Maru. Dark clearly underestimated Elazer and got outplayed 4 out of 5 matches, so i don't think he should drop that much. His ego got him eliminated, while Maru looked completly lost and outplayed by Stats. I mean, if Dark doesn't completely botch his spine crawler placement on g1, Dark sweeps the series 3-0, and instead of talking about how hurt Dark's pride should be, we would all be talking about how Elazer the foreigner truly didn't deserve his spot and how Scarlett would have done so much better and what a crime it is that he "stole" that spot from her. The only game I think was truly embarrassing for Dark was game 1. trust me, a lot more than a spine crawler placement was needed for a 3-0 LUL he isn't serral Had he placed the spine properly in g1 there's a decent chance he wins, so given he stomped games 2 and 3, yeah Assuming the other two games go the same and the two players don’t alter their approach based upon how game one went. If it’s a set 5 and it’s the decider then yeah, you can say if x player did this better they’d have won.
As will always be the case when guessing how a series would have gone given a different opening. But the idea that Dark had no chance at a 3-0 is still wrong imo. Games 2 and 3 were stomps, game 1 was a free win for Elazer due to Dark's missed spine placement.
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