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On June 28 2019 19:00 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2019 12:42 necrosexy wrote:On June 28 2019 11:04 Kalera wrote:On June 28 2019 10:43 necrosexy wrote:On June 27 2019 14:51 pvsnp wrote: For once the #1 spot is uncontroversial. Guess that's what happens when GSL finished last week. how the hell is Dark above a player he can't beat? ... Ranking players isn't a linear A > B system. Serral is above players he recently lost to (soO, Innovation, and now Stats) as well. it's a toss up for serral vs soO, inno -- to a lesser degree, vs Stats but he is decisively better than Dark. it's not close at all. Neeb is decisively better than Serral, how is Serral ahead of Neeb?
Head to head shouldn't generally be a criteria, but Serral is indeed decisively ahead of Dark(games Serral played in 2015 aren't that relevant) while he is only slightly behind Neeb(Serral's famous 0-3 online defeat before BlizzCon heavily contributes since they are 11-14 in maps overall).
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On June 29 2019 03:04 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2019 19:00 Charoisaur wrote:On June 28 2019 12:42 necrosexy wrote:On June 28 2019 11:04 Kalera wrote:On June 28 2019 10:43 necrosexy wrote:On June 27 2019 14:51 pvsnp wrote: For once the #1 spot is uncontroversial. Guess that's what happens when GSL finished last week. how the hell is Dark above a player he can't beat? ... Ranking players isn't a linear A > B system. Serral is above players he recently lost to (soO, Innovation, and now Stats) as well. it's a toss up for serral vs soO, inno -- to a lesser degree, vs Stats but he is decisively better than Dark. it's not close at all. Neeb is decisively better than Serral, how is Serral ahead of Neeb? Head to head shouldn't generally be a criteria, but Serral is indeed decisively ahead of Dark(games Serral played in 2015 aren't that relevant) while he is only slightly behind Neeb(Serral's famous 0-3 online defeat before BlizzCon heavily contributes since they are 11-14 in maps overall). TIL 9-5 is decisively ahead while 11-14 is only slightly behind
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On June 29 2019 03:08 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2019 03:04 Xain0n wrote:On June 28 2019 19:00 Charoisaur wrote:On June 28 2019 12:42 necrosexy wrote:On June 28 2019 11:04 Kalera wrote:On June 28 2019 10:43 necrosexy wrote:On June 27 2019 14:51 pvsnp wrote: For once the #1 spot is uncontroversial. Guess that's what happens when GSL finished last week. how the hell is Dark above a player he can't beat? ... Ranking players isn't a linear A > B system. Serral is above players he recently lost to (soO, Innovation, and now Stats) as well. it's a toss up for serral vs soO, inno -- to a lesser degree, vs Stats but he is decisively better than Dark. it's not close at all. Neeb is decisively better than Serral, how is Serral ahead of Neeb? Head to head shouldn't generally be a criteria, but Serral is indeed decisively ahead of Dark(games Serral played in 2015 aren't that relevant) while he is only slightly behind Neeb(Serral's famous 0-3 online defeat before BlizzCon heavily contributes since they are 11-14 in maps overall). TIL 9-5 is decisively ahead while 11-14 is only slightly behind
9-5(3-1) is decisively ahead while 11-11(3-4) is only slightly behind, yes. I don't get why this should be relevant by any means, that's not the right argument. Also, I appreciated the OPM Serral vs Neeb meme.
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On June 29 2019 03:08 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2019 03:04 Xain0n wrote:On June 28 2019 19:00 Charoisaur wrote:On June 28 2019 12:42 necrosexy wrote:On June 28 2019 11:04 Kalera wrote:On June 28 2019 10:43 necrosexy wrote:On June 27 2019 14:51 pvsnp wrote: For once the #1 spot is uncontroversial. Guess that's what happens when GSL finished last week. how the hell is Dark above a player he can't beat? ... Ranking players isn't a linear A > B system. Serral is above players he recently lost to (soO, Innovation, and now Stats) as well. it's a toss up for serral vs soO, inno -- to a lesser degree, vs Stats but he is decisively better than Dark. it's not close at all. Neeb is decisively better than Serral, how is Serral ahead of Neeb? Head to head shouldn't generally be a criteria, but Serral is indeed decisively ahead of Dark(games Serral played in 2015 aren't that relevant) while he is only slightly behind Neeb(Serral's famous 0-3 online defeat before BlizzCon heavily contributes since they are 11-14 in maps overall). TIL 9-5 is decisively ahead while 11-14 is only slightly behind Well if you work 9 to 5 you decisively work too much and if you work from 11 to 14 you're slightly lazy.
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Its really about styles and matchups,
Serral beats Dark lately, but he struggels againts Neeb a lot. While Dark humiliates Neeb every time they meet.
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On June 29 2019 03:39 Quasarrion wrote: Its really about styles and matchups,
Serral beats Dark lately, but he struggels againts Neeb a lot. While Dark humiliates Neeb every time they meet.
that's a good point. Serral doesn't do great against Reynor but I don't think Reynor has 2nd or 3rd best ZvZ in the world; it's more like his style doesn't match up as well against Reynor for whatever reason (Reynor plays kind of unorthodox).
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It's almost like there are three different match-ups and players don't play to the same level in all match-ups. Head to Head should be considered but it definitely isn't the end all be all
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Wonderful how we still have to tear down the same stupid arguments year after year.
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On June 29 2019 03:00 burnturn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2019 19:00 Charoisaur wrote:On June 28 2019 12:42 necrosexy wrote:On June 28 2019 11:04 Kalera wrote:On June 28 2019 10:43 necrosexy wrote:On June 27 2019 14:51 pvsnp wrote: For once the #1 spot is uncontroversial. Guess that's what happens when GSL finished last week. how the hell is Dark above a player he can't beat? ... Ranking players isn't a linear A > B system. Serral is above players he recently lost to (soO, Innovation, and now Stats) as well. it's a toss up for serral vs soO, inno -- to a lesser degree, vs Stats but he is decisively better than Dark. it's not close at all. Neeb is decisively better than Serral, how is Serral ahead of Neeb? I don't know if people have seen this but here. https://www.dropbox.com/s/7vawjcq2f7n4qh4/Meme_SerralEU.mp4?dl=0 LOL what a video
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On June 29 2019 03:00 burnturn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2019 19:00 Charoisaur wrote:On June 28 2019 12:42 necrosexy wrote:On June 28 2019 11:04 Kalera wrote:On June 28 2019 10:43 necrosexy wrote:On June 27 2019 14:51 pvsnp wrote: For once the #1 spot is uncontroversial. Guess that's what happens when GSL finished last week. how the hell is Dark above a player he can't beat? ... Ranking players isn't a linear A > B system. Serral is above players he recently lost to (soO, Innovation, and now Stats) as well. it's a toss up for serral vs soO, inno -- to a lesser degree, vs Stats but he is decisively better than Dark. it's not close at all. Neeb is decisively better than Serral, how is Serral ahead of Neeb? I don't know if people have seen this but here. https://www.dropbox.com/s/7vawjcq2f7n4qh4/Meme_SerralEU.mp4?dl=0
Lol. This is gold
Edit: As to the Neeb vs Serral discussion. We'll know more next week
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This PR is convincible,but Serral has greater chance to beat the list of other players
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On July 05 2019 16:50 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2019 03:00 burnturn wrote:On June 28 2019 19:00 Charoisaur wrote:On June 28 2019 12:42 necrosexy wrote:On June 28 2019 11:04 Kalera wrote:On June 28 2019 10:43 necrosexy wrote:On June 27 2019 14:51 pvsnp wrote: For once the #1 spot is uncontroversial. Guess that's what happens when GSL finished last week. how the hell is Dark above a player he can't beat? ... Ranking players isn't a linear A > B system. Serral is above players he recently lost to (soO, Innovation, and now Stats) as well. it's a toss up for serral vs soO, inno -- to a lesser degree, vs Stats but he is decisively better than Dark. it's not close at all. Neeb is decisively better than Serral, how is Serral ahead of Neeb? I don't know if people have seen this but here. https://www.dropbox.com/s/7vawjcq2f7n4qh4/Meme_SerralEU.mp4?dl=0 Lol. This is gold Edit: As to the Neeb vs Serral discussion. We'll know more next week What happens next week?
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On July 08 2019 20:34 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2019 16:50 Harris1st wrote:On June 29 2019 03:00 burnturn wrote:On June 28 2019 19:00 Charoisaur wrote:On June 28 2019 12:42 necrosexy wrote:On June 28 2019 11:04 Kalera wrote:On June 28 2019 10:43 necrosexy wrote:On June 27 2019 14:51 pvsnp wrote: For once the #1 spot is uncontroversial. Guess that's what happens when GSL finished last week. how the hell is Dark above a player he can't beat? ... Ranking players isn't a linear A > B system. Serral is above players he recently lost to (soO, Innovation, and now Stats) as well. it's a toss up for serral vs soO, inno -- to a lesser degree, vs Stats but he is decisively better than Dark. it's not close at all. Neeb is decisively better than Serral, how is Serral ahead of Neeb? I don't know if people have seen this but here. https://www.dropbox.com/s/7vawjcq2f7n4qh4/Meme_SerralEU.mp4?dl=0 Lol. This is gold Edit: As to the Neeb vs Serral discussion. We'll know more next week What happens next week?
THIS
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On July 08 2019 21:51 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2019 20:34 Pandain wrote:On July 05 2019 16:50 Harris1st wrote:On June 29 2019 03:00 burnturn wrote:On June 28 2019 19:00 Charoisaur wrote:On June 28 2019 12:42 necrosexy wrote:On June 28 2019 11:04 Kalera wrote:On June 28 2019 10:43 necrosexy wrote:On June 27 2019 14:51 pvsnp wrote: For once the #1 spot is uncontroversial. Guess that's what happens when GSL finished last week. how the hell is Dark above a player he can't beat? ... Ranking players isn't a linear A > B system. Serral is above players he recently lost to (soO, Innovation, and now Stats) as well. it's a toss up for serral vs soO, inno -- to a lesser degree, vs Stats but he is decisively better than Dark. it's not close at all. Neeb is decisively better than Serral, how is Serral ahead of Neeb? I don't know if people have seen this but here. https://www.dropbox.com/s/7vawjcq2f7n4qh4/Meme_SerralEU.mp4?dl=0 Lol. This is gold Edit: As to the Neeb vs Serral discussion. We'll know more next week What happens next week? THIS
Damn! So soon, I felt like the ast one was just a month ago!
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On July 09 2019 00:12 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2019 21:51 Harris1st wrote:On July 08 2019 20:34 Pandain wrote:On July 05 2019 16:50 Harris1st wrote:On June 29 2019 03:00 burnturn wrote:On June 28 2019 19:00 Charoisaur wrote:On June 28 2019 12:42 necrosexy wrote:On June 28 2019 11:04 Kalera wrote:On June 28 2019 10:43 necrosexy wrote:On June 27 2019 14:51 pvsnp wrote: For once the #1 spot is uncontroversial. Guess that's what happens when GSL finished last week. how the hell is Dark above a player he can't beat? ... Ranking players isn't a linear A > B system. Serral is above players he recently lost to (soO, Innovation, and now Stats) as well. it's a toss up for serral vs soO, inno -- to a lesser degree, vs Stats but he is decisively better than Dark. it's not close at all. Neeb is decisively better than Serral, how is Serral ahead of Neeb? I don't know if people have seen this but here. https://www.dropbox.com/s/7vawjcq2f7n4qh4/Meme_SerralEU.mp4?dl=0 Lol. This is gold Edit: As to the Neeb vs Serral discussion. We'll know more next week What happens next week? THIS Damn! So soon, I felt like the ast one was just a month ago!
I know! Awesome right
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When HSC 19 results are taken into account I think Serral climbs to rank 1.
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On July 09 2019 23:18 Ovi wrote: When HSC 19 results are taken into account I think Serral climbs to rank 1.
Nah. He needs more Top 10 wins for that. #3 is fine IMO
Edit: We need to wait and see how TY, soO, Solar, ... do in GSL this season to have a more accurate estimation of Serral right now. Also he lost to Stats It was a meaningless group stage loss but still
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On July 09 2019 23:26 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2019 23:18 Ovi wrote: When HSC 19 results are taken into account I think Serral climbs to rank 1. Nah. He needs more Top 10 wins for that. #3 is fine IMO Edit: We need to wait and see how TY, soO, Solar, ... do in GSL this season to have a more accurate estimation of Serral right now. Also he lost to Stats It was a meaningless group stage loss but still
I think Serral needs to win ASUS Rog(and/or Dark has to crash out of ro16 in Code S) in order to get #1.
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On July 09 2019 23:18 Ovi wrote: When HSC 19 results are taken into account I think Serral climbs to rank 1. Why though? He didn't win over anyone as good as the current Classic or Dark and lost to Stats. Even when we consider Dark v Serral history it's still questionable because of Classic...
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On July 10 2019 02:45 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2019 23:18 Ovi wrote: When HSC 19 results are taken into account I think Serral climbs to rank 1. Why though? He didn't win over anyone as good as the current Classic or Dark and lost to Stats. Even when we consider Dark v Serral history it's still questionable because of Classic...
I agree, his zvp seems like a a bit too weak while Dark struggles only against Serral.
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