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pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
May 24 2019 08:21 GMT
#21
On May 23 2019 21:58 parksonsc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2019 16:07 Veluvian wrote:
Many zergs complain, but the current meta in PvZ is like this - zergs play greedy because in late game they become monsters on Code S level, they can switch in late game much faster and easier to different army compositions. That's why tosses want to finish them as quickly as they can. Nobody wants to play against Rogue after the 12th minute, if you play with toss, you'd do the same.


What you said makes no sense. If they are that strong in late game, shouldn't they play safe to secure the late game?

I don't really have a stand on the issue, but what I get from watching Zerg and Protoss streams are basically there is a fine line that ZvP is and a lot of the builds are so similar its hard to distinguish. And Protoss seem to have almost an infinite number of timings in the current meta.

The only issue I have is the meta seems to be very "gambly" for both the Zerg and Protoss. And how marginal the difference between guessing correctly or not is.

If Zerg plays "safe", cut drones then you are behind economically and Protoss kills you with a later timing attack. Sometimes building 1 or 2 more drones is the difference between surviving or not. Zerg's have to gamble to determine how they will fare depending on which timing they are facing.

Similarly, the Protoss has to gamble that the Zerg doesn't guess his build correctly, because if the Zerg does then he just fails his all in and loses the game.

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Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
May 24 2019 09:18 GMT
#22
looking at the bracket there is a realistic chance for 7 protoss + Special in the ro8. Im not saying it's likely, but i could bet on it if the odds were like 8-1
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Indonesia4317 Posts
May 28 2019 09:50 GMT
#23
On May 24 2019 00:06 terribleplayer1 wrote:
With 0 damage done to workers, with Zerg playing almost as greedy as possible, Protoss is at least even in workers/econ up to the 35th~ worker, Chronoboost is really good.

Now at some point Protoss stops making probes and instantly warps armies across the map, in a way that is basically undeniable, these armies are really strong and have a lot of microability because of the WP.

The nice thing, is that this happens so early in the game that a ton of Protosses can take advantage of it, so you end up with tournaments that are even more Protoss heavy than Zerg was during Broodlord infestor.

Though I think odds for 8/8 protoss is less than 50%, but greater than 10%.

the odd for 8/8 protoss is 0 because soO already qualified
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