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On March 08 2019 23:13 Akio wrote: Heart says TY and soO but it's so hard to call soO's ZvT. I think Rogue's ZvT is the world's best so I can't see him not getting out of this group I don't think Rogue has built a great case to have people consider his ZvT the world's best in a long ass time.
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TY and GuMi will win and then we'll get more nonsensical rationalizing about terran being fundamentally better at preparation formats.
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Dark has the best ZvT imho; Rogue fares better against Maru but Dark is better all around.
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as i posted in the other thread i dont know if soo can make it out. rogue and gumiho both denied soo a championship in the past, so he'll have to overcome that trauma, and TY is a god. soo's best chance is if the rumors of terran sucking now are true, he should be able to defeat TY or gumiho. hoping he can avenge his blizzcon loss to rogue!!!!
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On March 09 2019 01:46 ZigguratOfUr wrote: TY and GuMi will win and then we'll get more nonsensical rationalizing about terran being fundamentally better at preparation formats. Clearly preparation format is the only thing that allows Terrans to make up for the fact that maps in 2019 are so large that it nerfs their race, which even though they are way more skilled than their Protoss and Zerg counterparts, they can never make up for in weekenders
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I think soO would actually be the least likely to make it out of this group given his relative weakness in ZvT. He's quite strong in ZvZ and Rogue certainly has an odd playstyle in that matchup. The terran matchups could go either way. I think that a Terran and Rogue will advance, soO will get 3rd, and a terran 4th.
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Champion hangover is strong. I worry for soO here.
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soO will bomb. 4th place.
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this is group of death, soo should be first, but you never know.. anyone can beat anyone here
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On March 09 2019 02:00 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2019 01:46 ZigguratOfUr wrote: TY and GuMi will win and then we'll get more nonsensical rationalizing about terran being fundamentally better at preparation formats. Clearly preparation format is the only thing that allows Terrans to make up for the fact that maps in 2019 are so large that it nerfs their race, which even though they are way more skilled than their Protoss and Zerg counterparts, they can never make up for in weekenders Im terran player myself, and i know you are joking, but its so funny that some people actually thinks this and think that terran players are actually better than zerg/protoss in general and loses only because of imba. facts is every race pro player puts in 5-10h per day practicing.. protoss/zerg players are just as good as terran. Even if something is slighty broken most of the stuff can be overcome by simply adjusting strategy because of inherent asymmetric design of the races.
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On March 09 2019 06:59 skdsk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2019 02:00 Elentos wrote:On March 09 2019 01:46 ZigguratOfUr wrote: TY and GuMi will win and then we'll get more nonsensical rationalizing about terran being fundamentally better at preparation formats. Clearly preparation format is the only thing that allows Terrans to make up for the fact that maps in 2019 are so large that it nerfs their race, which even though they are way more skilled than their Protoss and Zerg counterparts, they can never make up for in weekenders Im terran player myself, and i know you are joking, but its so funny that some people actually thinks this and think that terran players are actually better than zerg/protoss in general and loses only because of imba. facts is every race pro player puts in 5-10h per day practicing.. protoss/zerg players are just as good as terran. Even if something is slighty broken most of the stuff can be overcome by simply adjusting strategy because of inherent asymmetric design of the races. It doesn't help when almost the whole foreigner scene was and is full of good Zergs and Protosses while good Terrans are nowhere to be found.
edit> just to be on the safe side, I don't think the "Terrans are better", but there has to be something why foreigners can't make it as Terrans and I wonder what it is...
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really hard group to predict. i will be cheering for soO and TY
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I think probably it will be Rogue and TY who make it out but it's anyone's game in this group.
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I predict the ro.8 matches will be like these:
Dark > Hero Dear > Cure Dark > Dear Hero > Cure Hero >Dear
Dark & Hero advance, thus Maru vs Dark & Hero vs Bunny
Classic > Trap SOS > Innovation Classic > SOS Innovation > Trap Innovation > SOS (Rematch curse)
Classic & Innovation advance, thus Rogue vs Classic & Innnovation vs TY
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On March 09 2019 16:50 swarminfestor wrote: I predict the ro.8 matches will be like these:
Dark > Hero Dear > Cure Dark > Dear Hero > Cure Hero >Dear
Dark & Hero advance, thus Maru vs Dark & Hero vs Bunny
Classic > Trap SOS > Innovation Classic > SOS Innovation > Trap Innovation > SOS (Rematch curse)
Classic & Innovation advance, thus Rogue vs Classic & Innnovation vs TY
Was the playoff structure determined so early in the past? It would be better to do this after the groupstage is finished, now the players in B and C already know their potential pairings. This could lead to Dark and herO not giving their best to get the first place in order to avoid Maru as Bunny should still be an easier opponent, even if I hope the Bunjwa proves me wrong.
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On March 09 2019 19:09 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2019 16:50 swarminfestor wrote: I predict the ro.8 matches will be like these:
Dark > Hero Dear > Cure Dark > Dear Hero > Cure Hero >Dear
Dark & Hero advance, thus Maru vs Dark & Hero vs Bunny
Classic > Trap SOS > Innovation Classic > SOS Innovation > Trap Innovation > SOS (Rematch curse)
Classic & Innovation advance, thus Rogue vs Classic & Innnovation vs TY
Was the playoff structure determined so early in the past? It would be better to do this after the groupstage is finished, now the players in B and C already know their potential pairings. This could lead to Dark and herO not giving their best to get the first place in order to avoid Maru as Bunny should still be an easier opponent, even if I hope the Bunjwa proves me wrong.
Based on the liquidpedia, it seems like that way. Thus, I bet Classic may let himself lose against Trap so that he can fight for the comfortable 2nd place spot against TY in ro8 playoff matchup.
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On March 09 2019 19:44 swarminfestor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2019 19:09 Xain0n wrote:On March 09 2019 16:50 swarminfestor wrote: I predict the ro.8 matches will be like these:
Dark > Hero Dear > Cure Dark > Dear Hero > Cure Hero >Dear
Dark & Hero advance, thus Maru vs Dark & Hero vs Bunny
Classic > Trap SOS > Innovation Classic > SOS Innovation > Trap Innovation > SOS (Rematch curse)
Classic & Innovation advance, thus Rogue vs Classic & Innnovation vs TY
Was the playoff structure determined so early in the past? It would be better to do this after the groupstage is finished, now the players in B and C already know their potential pairings. This could lead to Dark and herO not giving their best to get the first place in order to avoid Maru as Bunny should still be an easier opponent, even if I hope the Bunjwa proves me wrong. Based on the liquidpedia, it seems like that way. Thus, I bet Classic may let himself lose against Trap so that he can fight for the comfortable 2nd place spot against TY in ro8 playoff matchup. The GSL Ro8 has been A vs B and C vs D since 2011.
What you suggest is a poor strategy though. Classic could conceivably lose to either player from the other match, going to the loser match on purpose would tempt his fate on advancing at all. Going to the winners match first only gives him advantages.
And while playing TY is probably preferable as Classic to playing Rogue, I don't think it's good enough to qualify as a comfortable spot given that Classic lost to TY very hard the last time they played (IEM qualifiers).
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I still don't understand why people here call Serral a top tier player. He is middle of the pact at best
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On March 10 2019 05:07 evanreyes94 wrote: I still don't understand why people here call Serral a top tier player. He is middle of the pact at best
That's a very low tier bait instead, try harder please.
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