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Ive been thinking about how Blizzard were thinking when they made the new protoss units and how they might think when they make the new terran/zerg ones. And also how the changes will propebly affect how the game is played on a broad prespective. Im not talking about specific BO-counters or stuff like that... more like how much of the players time is used for what. We have to remember that Blizzard havnt made anything final yet and the only think we can realy analyze is the way they want to make the game and what their aims are.
The phoenix is basicly the new corsair, light flyer used to kill swarms of low armor enemy airunits. The warpray is what the scout was supposed to have been. An airfigher used to counter Carrier/Battlecruiser type air. Right now in Starcraft, protoss have no counter vs Carriers except maybe DAs. I think that was the reason they changed the airunits this way.
When it comes to the dragoon -> (stalker, immortal) I think the reason here is that the dragoon was such a bland unit. Like the hydralisk they were always a good alround unit (one which terran lack if you dont count goliats). But alround units are seldom a hard counter to anything and they offen work well if you just mass loads of them. I think blizzard liked how terran turned out in starcraft, micro oriented and harder counters and want to make the other races more like them. Both stalkers and immortals are more unique units than the dragoon and at least the stalker invite to more micro.
I think the same kind of thinking has be used for the terran and zerg units, fixing apparent flaws (like protoss air), and making units that are easily massed and a-moved more like terran m&m, vultures and tanks needing or atleast inviting to a lot more attention and micro by the player. To me that sounds like a good idea
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Scouts still own carriers and battle cruisers.
Its just that corsairs and golliaths/valks rape them.
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Forgot to add that the warpray also adds to the micro since you will want to stay in range at all times while ur opponent will want to jump in/out of range all the time. Ofc the warpray is also good vs building in a way the scout never was but I just see this as a way to make the unit more useful. They had to change the scout in some way to make it useful to people. That contant increasing ray was a prefect way of also making it a good siege unit to kill of building with.
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Sweden33719 Posts
If move+shoot is still in the game I could see some pretty sick warprey (warpray?) action :D Like Muta vs Muta zvz.
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On May 20 2007 12:12 FrozenArbiter wrote: If move+shoot is still in the game I could see some pretty sick warprey (warpray?) action :D Like Muta vs Muta zvz.
Is it war-prey or warp-ray? They are firing a ray atleast so warp-ray would be kind of logical... but warprey sound a lot cooler and not as stupid. Warprey sound like they are the prey of the war though xD not verry optimistic of the toss to name a units like that ^^
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Russian Federation4235 Posts
Carriers have no counter as toss? Erm, did 1.15 really change that much?
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I hope that if they nerf the blink ability, the introduce a timing bar - so that the faster you use blink, the less you can hop with each hop - sort of charging up instead of a hard time delay.
Thats if they nerf it. I dont know how terran and zerg will counter it.
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On May 20 2007 12:26 DrainX wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2007 12:12 FrozenArbiter wrote: If move+shoot is still in the game I could see some pretty sick warprey (warpray?) action :D Like Muta vs Muta zvz.
Is it war-prey or warp-ray? They are firing a ray atleast so warp-ray would be kind of logical... but warprey sound a lot cooler and not as stupid. Warprey sound like they are the prey of the war though xD not verry optimistic of the toss to name a units like that ^^
Haha, I hadn't even considered that it might be named warp-ray. I've just been thinking war-prey the entire time, which doesn't even make sense.
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Because you don't know what the other races have, fusion.
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a group of 12 lings and 4 mutas attacking your new expo... you have 6 Stalkers and 4 zealots...
enemy starts morphing 6 of his lings, and sends the rest right to your stalkers.. You teleport behind his morphing lings and begin to ttarget them and the muts with your stalkers, Your zealots charge to the rest of the lings..
boom a nydus worm comes up behind you spitting out 20 lings running towards you.. Your Phase prism warps in some Colossus and a few zealot, teleport your stalkers behind your lots, and handle the rest...
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imagine that shit.. just thinking about the possibilities and we dont even have any news on terran or zerg.. micro seems like its going to jump up a few levels... lets hope macro is a big part too. i have a feeling this game is gonna be more balanced than sc1.
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Seems to me like siege tanks will not be as useful against protoss as they were in SC seeing how immortals (the new dragoon) are basically immune and zealots are an effective counter to tanks.... Looks like MnM + firebat vs toss early on
Interesting ....
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another thought : every should know it already : Colossus can be shot by turrets because there are so tall. they aren't an air unit(so every melee unit can attack them also<->but friendly units can walk under them)
so i thought about if they can view on cliffs. imagine zerg has muta and is microing on a cliff at ur expansion.....normally u need scan(as terran) or observer or a air unit to see them(as protoss)
so u guys noticed something about that they can look on cliffs when they arent on it?? ^^
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Sweden33719 Posts
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On May 20 2007 12:26 DrainX wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2007 12:12 FrozenArbiter wrote: If move+shoot is still in the game I could see some pretty sick warprey (warpray?) action :D Like Muta vs Muta zvz.
Is it war-prey or warp-ray? They are firing a ray atleast so warp-ray would be kind of logical... but warprey sound a lot cooler and not as stupid. Warprey sound like they are the prey of the war though xD not verry optimistic of the toss to name a units like that ^^
They screenshot with it selected says Warp Ray (2 words).
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On May 20 2007 13:31 BaconatedGrapefruit wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2007 12:26 DrainX wrote:On May 20 2007 12:12 FrozenArbiter wrote: If move+shoot is still in the game I could see some pretty sick warprey (warpray?) action :D Like Muta vs Muta zvz.
Is it war-prey or warp-ray? They are firing a ray atleast so warp-ray would be kind of logical... but warprey sound a lot cooler and not as stupid. Warprey sound like they are the prey of the war though xD not verry optimistic of the toss to name a units like that ^^ They screenshot with it selected says Warp Ray (2 words).
hehe thx for the clarification
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On May 20 2007 13:38 freelander wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2007 13:31 BaconatedGrapefruit wrote:On May 20 2007 12:26 DrainX wrote:On May 20 2007 12:12 FrozenArbiter wrote: If move+shoot is still in the game I could see some pretty sick warprey (warpray?) action :D Like Muta vs Muta zvz.
Is it war-prey or warp-ray? They are firing a ray atleast so warp-ray would be kind of logical... but warprey sound a lot cooler and not as stupid. Warprey sound like they are the prey of the war though xD not verry optimistic of the toss to name a units like that ^^ They screenshot with it selected says Warp Ray (2 words). hehe thx for the clarification
btw I don't like the continous attacks like lasers. Protoss doesn't use lasers at all! It's a too silly technology even to be considered to use in a battle! Protoss like using psionic photon shit (er there are people who can exactly tell what goons shoot, I'm not one)
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On May 20 2007 12:39 Bully-Cdn(TheTrap) wrote: a group of 12 lings and 4 mutas attacking your new expo... you have 6 Stalkers and 4 zealots...
enemy starts morphing 6 of his lings, and sends the rest right to your stalkers.. You teleport behind his morphing lings and begin to ttarget them and the muts with your stalkers, Your zealots charge to the rest of the lings..
boom a nydus worm comes up behind you spitting out 20 lings running towards you.. Your Phase prism warps in some Colossus and a few zealot, teleport your stalkers behind your lots, and handle the rest...
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imagine that shit.. just thinking about the possibilities and we dont even have any news on terran or zerg.. micro seems like its going to jump up a few levels... lets hope macro is a big part too. i have a feeling this game is gonna be more balanced than sc1.
You make it sound like a cyber....
The game cannot be more balanced than sc:bw btw.
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You make it sound like a cyber....
Does it turn u on?
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is awesome32244 Posts
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Netherlands19121 Posts
On May 20 2007 13:59 IntoTheWow wrote: lol IntotheWow got turned on, I can assure you that!
Rawrrr, cyber <3.
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