EPT[Code S] Bug Hunt - Ro32 Group F S2 2016 - Page 3
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Phredxor
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kajtarp
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On July 22 2016 16:24 kajtarp wrote: I hope Rogoue goes trought, because there are too few Zergs in RO16 yet. exactly zero. why does Zergs have such a hard time in Lotv? all bad players except Dark or bad balance? Zergs just need to get good. | ||
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mCon.Hephaistas
Netherlands891 Posts
Sadly I still doubt it will be enough. | ||
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Isualin
Germany1903 Posts
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[PkF] Wire
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igay
Australia1178 Posts
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DomeGetta
480 Posts
Where is the whine/cry for no Terrans in SSL ro8?? QQ QQ ;(( Patch pls | ||
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kajtarp
Hungary485 Posts
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kajtarp
Hungary485 Posts
On July 22 2016 20:02 DomeGetta wrote: I love all the whine/cry about "no zergs in ro16" - the patch only went live after the first group was already played - that means all of the code A games that set up who is in code S didn't have it. Guaranteed Rogue / Dark and Byul all make it in. Where is the whine/cry for no Terrans in SSL ro8?? QQ QQ ;(( Patch pls i pretty much doubt Byul will make it. But i have still hopes for Dark. | ||
TheOneAboveU
Germany3367 Posts
On July 22 2016 05:12 TheOneAboveU wrote: I had several versions, Ryung came out first in some of them. I actually thought about it a lot, but somehow this group was super hard for me. Ryung always disappoints.  Turns out today Ryung did NOT disappoint. | ||
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GoloSC2
711 Posts
On July 22 2016 20:02 DomeGetta wrote: I love all the whine/cry about "no zergs in ro16" - the patch only went live after the first group was already played - that means all of the code A games that set up who is in code S didn't have it. Guaranteed Rogue / Dark and Byul all make it in. Where is the whine/cry for no Terrans in SSL ro8?? QQ QQ ;(( Patch pls Considering there's a ro16 group with 3 terrans I wouldn't worry too much about that | ||
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DomeGetta
480 Posts
On July 22 2016 21:53 GoloSC2 wrote: Considering there's a ro16 group with 3 terrans I wouldn't worry too much about that yes yes good point - the pre-patch games that created the ro16 in SSL gtd at least one terran in ro8 = terran still OP | ||
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kajtarp
Hungary485 Posts
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Alarak89
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fronkschnonk
Germany622 Posts
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zakadar
Germany409 Posts
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DomeGetta
480 Posts
On July 23 2016 01:23 kajtarp wrote: from the already advanced 12 players in Code S 7 are terrans, even if no more terrans advance 7 from 16 is almost 50% for only one race. terrans are just doing fine. Again with the conveniently left out assignable cause for the distribution of terrans in code S to begin with. The entire 32 was placed in before the patch - you can't even look at the current season and try to make balance speculations based on % of players in ro16. You can however analyze the games that have been played post patch. Losira vs. Byun 2 maps to 2. - Byun is definitely a higher tier Terran than Losira is Zerg. Maru vs. soO 2 maps to 1 Maru vs. Ragnarock 2 maps to 0 - Maru is the best Terran in the world (close with TY). Maru won vs soO with a 2 base stim timing into 5 rax and holding off an all in. Maru won vs Ragnarock holding off a Nydus and again with his 2 base stim build. Taeja vs. soO- 2 maps to 1 - SoO definitely higher tier than Taeja - Taeja copies Maru's build and wins 2 to 1. Taeja vs Ragnarock - 2 maps to 3 - Taeja is higher tier than Ragnarock slightly imo and gets destroyed in first series - copies Maru's build in second series and wins (also Ragnarock a moves his army into cloaked ghosts with no overseers alive - that is a very obvious blunder in that game that if not made makes the %chance Taeja would have gotten out of the group very low.) TY vs Impact 4 maps to 0 - 2nd best Terran in the world vs. Impact. Rogue vs. Alive 2 maps to 1 Rogue vs. Dream 2 maps to 1 Rogue is higher tier than both of them - played new style that looks to counter the 2 base stim build that Maru made popular. Overall 14 maps for T and 11 maps for Z -4 of the T wins are TY vs Impact which would arguably be removed from the dataset (4) (but it's fine even to include) - 2 base stim timing wins for T: 2 for Maru 2 for Taeja 1 for Dream. (6) - 1 all in hold from Maru vs sOO (1) - 1 late game from Ragnarock vs Taeja. (1) (could arguably be removed - Max ultra/infestor army suicided) - Missed how alive won on frozen temple but if I had to guess I'd say with a 2 base all in. Would be willing to bet Byul 2-0's Speed making it 14-13 - but only 3 zergs in ro16 (assuming Dark/ 1 Toss advance). And that's without the best Z in the world hitting a T. Seems to me that the 2 base stim drop build is very strong and hard to hold - but that Rogue seemed to figure out how to stop it - looks to me like Z is going to be taking the favor going forward (when code A is played again for next season to even the distribution). If anyone can link me to a vod of a top Korean vs Korean TvZ where the Terran wins from a late game scenario (hive tech maxed armies) where the zerg does not make a horrific blunder I'd love to watch - bc at high masters on NA it definitely seems imbalanced (that doesnt mean it is bc it's not the highest level of play) | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16006 Posts
If anyone can link me to a vod of a top Korean vs Korean TvZ where the Terran wins from a late game scenario (hive tech maxed armies) where the zerg does not make a horrific blunder I'd love to watch - bc at high masters on NA it definitely seems imbalanced (that doesnt mean it is bc it's not the highest level of play the game always never gets to this stage in korea so it doesn't say much that this has never happened although I'm pretty sure that it is zerg favored because otherwise some terrans would be playing for the lategame. TaeJa won a few games with a 200/200 bio ghost push to kill the zerg before he gets broodlords but that isn't the last stage of lategame. in foreignerland we have seen quite a few super-lategame tvzs and I think terran lost all of them. | ||
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Elentos
55555 Posts
On July 23 2016 09:22 DomeGetta wrote: Seems to me that the 2 base stim drop build is very strong and hard to hold - but that Rogue seemed to figure out how to stop it - looks to me like Z is going to be taking the favor going forward (when code A is played again for next season to even the distribution). A lot of the TvZ's in the Maru/TaeJa group went long enough for the Zerg to get hive tech, attributing all those wins just to the drop build seems like a very shallow analysis. TvZ is 16-11 in Code S after the patch, not 14-11. And 2+2+1 is not 6. And no, aLive did not 2-base all-in on Frozen Temple. | ||
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