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Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-22 07:03:04
July 22 2016 07:02 GMT
#41
3 average Terrans and one of the best Zergs. Anyone could advance here. Hoping for Ryung and Dream to make it though.
kajtarp
Profile Joined April 2011
Hungary492 Posts
July 22 2016 07:24 GMT
#42
I hope Rogoue goes trought, because there are too few Zergs in RO16 yet. exactly zero. why does Zergs have such a hard time in Lotv? all bad players except Dark or bad balance?
Why so serious?
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
July 22 2016 08:05 GMT
#43
On July 22 2016 16:24 kajtarp wrote:
I hope Rogoue goes trought, because there are too few Zergs in RO16 yet. exactly zero. why does Zergs have such a hard time in Lotv? all bad players except Dark or bad balance?


Zergs just need to get good.
mCon.Hephaistas
Profile Joined May 2014
Netherlands891 Posts
July 22 2016 08:30 GMT
#44
Rogue at least has the advantage of only having one matchup to practice for, and the Terrans probably not even practicing TvZ much at all.

Sadly I still doubt it will be enough.
Isualin
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1903 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-22 08:38:17
July 22 2016 08:38 GMT
#45
We have the Terrans for GomTVT Rebirth. We just need to go back to blueflame hellion / tank meta and get team slayers back in action
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[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
July 22 2016 08:39 GMT
#46
Come on Rogue !
igay
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Australia1178 Posts
July 22 2016 10:42 GMT
#47
Let's go rogue
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DomeGetta
Profile Joined February 2012
480 Posts
July 22 2016 11:02 GMT
#48
I love all the whine/cry about "no zergs in ro16" - the patch only went live after the first group was already played - that means all of the code A games that set up who is in code S didn't have it. Guaranteed Rogue / Dark and Byul all make it in.

Where is the whine/cry for no Terrans in SSL ro8?? QQ QQ ;(( Patch pls

kajtarp
Profile Joined April 2011
Hungary492 Posts
July 22 2016 11:42 GMT
#49
Good job rogue!
Why so serious?
kajtarp
Profile Joined April 2011
Hungary492 Posts
July 22 2016 11:44 GMT
#50
On July 22 2016 20:02 DomeGetta wrote:
I love all the whine/cry about "no zergs in ro16" - the patch only went live after the first group was already played - that means all of the code A games that set up who is in code S didn't have it. Guaranteed Rogue / Dark and Byul all make it in.

Where is the whine/cry for no Terrans in SSL ro8?? QQ QQ ;(( Patch pls



i pretty much doubt Byul will make it. But i have still hopes for Dark.
Why so serious?
TheOneAboveU
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Germany3367 Posts
July 22 2016 12:46 GMT
#51
On July 22 2016 05:12 TheOneAboveU wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2016 04:41 Cricketer12 wrote:
Ryung in 4th is possibly TL's worst prediction.


I had several versions, Ryung came out first in some of them. I actually thought about it a lot, but somehow this group was super hard for me. Ryung always disappoints.


Turns out today Ryung did NOT disappoint.
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GoloSC2
Profile Joined August 2014
713 Posts
July 22 2016 12:53 GMT
#52
On July 22 2016 20:02 DomeGetta wrote:
I love all the whine/cry about "no zergs in ro16" - the patch only went live after the first group was already played - that means all of the code A games that set up who is in code S didn't have it. Guaranteed Rogue / Dark and Byul all make it in.

Where is the whine/cry for no Terrans in SSL ro8?? QQ QQ ;(( Patch pls



Considering there's a ro16 group with 3 terrans I wouldn't worry too much about that
"Code S > IEM > Super Tournament > Homestory Cup > Blizzcon/WESG > GSL vs The World > Invitational tournaments in China with Koreans > WCS events" - Rodya
DomeGetta
Profile Joined February 2012
480 Posts
July 22 2016 15:10 GMT
#53
On July 22 2016 21:53 GoloSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2016 20:02 DomeGetta wrote:
I love all the whine/cry about "no zergs in ro16" - the patch only went live after the first group was already played - that means all of the code A games that set up who is in code S didn't have it. Guaranteed Rogue / Dark and Byul all make it in.

Where is the whine/cry for no Terrans in SSL ro8?? QQ QQ ;(( Patch pls



Considering there's a ro16 group with 3 terrans I wouldn't worry too much about that



yes yes good point - the pre-patch games that created the ro16 in SSL gtd at least one terran in ro8 = terran still OP
kajtarp
Profile Joined April 2011
Hungary492 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-22 16:25:40
July 22 2016 16:23 GMT
#54
from the already advanced 12 players in Code S 7 are terrans, even if no more terrans advance 7 from 16 is almost 50% for only one race. terrans are just doing fine.
Why so serious?
Alarak89
Profile Joined January 2016
United States882 Posts
July 22 2016 16:47 GMT
#55
Now four JA players in Ro. 16, so they are going to take over GSL as well?
sOs is THE ONLY player I pay attention to
fronkschnonk
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany622 Posts
July 22 2016 20:54 GMT
#56
delicious LB-points
Furthermore, I consider that some kind of Code A must be reestablished.
zakadar
Profile Joined December 2015
Germany409 Posts
July 22 2016 21:08 GMT
#57
to whine because alive couldnt get out in a group with zest and dark in it and bomber hey is no match for dear and stats and dear vs gumiho is 50-50 no need to whine there
TY my boy gogo
DomeGetta
Profile Joined February 2012
480 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-23 00:24:59
July 23 2016 00:22 GMT
#58
On July 23 2016 01:23 kajtarp wrote:
from the already advanced 12 players in Code S 7 are terrans, even if no more terrans advance 7 from 16 is almost 50% for only one race. terrans are just doing fine.


Again with the conveniently left out assignable cause for the distribution of terrans in code S to begin with.

The entire 32 was placed in before the patch - you can't even look at the current season and try to make balance speculations based on % of players in ro16.

You can however analyze the games that have been played post patch.

Losira vs. Byun 2 maps to 2. - Byun is definitely a higher tier Terran than Losira is Zerg.

Maru vs. soO 2 maps to 1
Maru vs. Ragnarock 2 maps to 0 - Maru is the best Terran in the world (close with TY).

Maru won vs soO with a 2 base stim timing into 5 rax and holding off an all in.
Maru won vs Ragnarock holding off a Nydus and again with his 2 base stim build.


Taeja vs. soO- 2 maps to 1 - SoO definitely higher tier than Taeja - Taeja copies Maru's build and wins 2 to 1.

Taeja vs Ragnarock - 2 maps to 3 - Taeja is higher tier than Ragnarock slightly imo and gets destroyed in first series - copies Maru's build in second series and wins (also Ragnarock a moves his army into cloaked ghosts with no overseers alive - that is a very obvious blunder in that game that if not made makes the %chance Taeja would have gotten out of the group very low.)


TY vs Impact 4 maps to 0 - 2nd best Terran in the world vs. Impact.

Rogue vs. Alive 2 maps to 1
Rogue vs. Dream 2 maps to 1 Rogue is higher tier than both of them - played new style that looks to counter the 2 base stim build that Maru made popular.

Overall 14 maps for T and 11 maps for Z

-4 of the T wins are TY vs Impact which would arguably be removed from the dataset (4) (but it's fine even to include)
- 2 base stim timing wins for T: 2 for Maru 2 for Taeja 1 for Dream. (6)
- 1 all in hold from Maru vs sOO (1)
- 1 late game from Ragnarock vs Taeja. (1) (could arguably be removed - Max ultra/infestor army suicided)

- Missed how alive won on frozen temple but if I had to guess I'd say with a 2 base all in.

Would be willing to bet Byul 2-0's Speed making it 14-13 - but only 3 zergs in ro16 (assuming Dark/ 1 Toss advance).

And that's without the best Z in the world hitting a T.

Seems to me that the 2 base stim drop build is very strong and hard to hold - but that Rogue seemed to figure out how to stop it - looks to me like Z is going to be taking the favor going forward (when code A is played again for next season to even the distribution).

If anyone can link me to a vod of a top Korean vs Korean TvZ where the Terran wins from a late game scenario (hive tech maxed armies) where the zerg does not make a horrific blunder I'd love to watch - bc at high masters on NA it definitely seems imbalanced (that doesnt mean it is bc it's not the highest level of play)







Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16103 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-23 00:54:26
July 23 2016 00:50 GMT
#59
If anyone can link me to a vod of a top Korean vs Korean TvZ where the Terran wins from a late game scenario (hive tech maxed armies) where the zerg does not make a horrific blunder I'd love to watch - bc at high masters on NA it definitely seems imbalanced (that doesnt mean it is bc it's not the highest level of play

the game always never gets to this stage in korea so it doesn't say much that this has never happened although I'm pretty sure that it is zerg favored because otherwise some terrans would be playing for the lategame.
TaeJa won a few games with a 200/200 bio ghost push to kill the zerg before he gets broodlords but that isn't the last stage of lategame.

in foreignerland we have seen quite a few super-lategame tvzs and I think terran lost all of them.
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-23 08:13:29
July 23 2016 08:09 GMT
#60
On July 23 2016 09:22 DomeGetta wrote:
Seems to me that the 2 base stim drop build is very strong and hard to hold - but that Rogue seemed to figure out how to stop it - looks to me like Z is going to be taking the favor going forward (when code A is played again for next season to even the distribution).

A lot of the TvZ's in the Maru/TaeJa group went long enough for the Zerg to get hive tech, attributing all those wins just to the drop build seems like a very shallow analysis. TvZ is 16-11 in Code S after the patch, not 14-11. And 2+2+1 is not 6.

And no, aLive did not 2-base all-in on Frozen Temple.
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