• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 00:34
CEST 06:34
KST 13:34
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners6Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview5[ASL21] Finals Preview: Two Legacies21
Community News
Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28)8[BSL22] Non-Korean Championship from 13 to 28 June4Weekly Cups (May 25-31): Clem doubles, 2v2 circuit heads toward finale0StarCraft II 5.0.16 PTR Patch Notes may 26th153Weekly Cups (May 18-24): MaxPax wins doubles0
StarCraft 2
General
High level ptr replays? where can I find them? StarCraft II 5.0.16 PTR Patch Notes may 26th Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners TL Poll: How do you feel about the 5.0.16 PTR balance changes? TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection
Tourneys
Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28) Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) GSL Code S Season 2 (2026)
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 529 Opportunities Unleashed Mutation # 528 Infection Detected Welcome to the External Content forum
Brood War
General
Quality of life changes in BW that you will like ? [BSL22] Non-Korean Championship from 13 to 28 June BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ vespene.gg — BW replays in browser The Korean Terminology Thread
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Grand Finals [BSL22] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CEST Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2
Strategy
Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies Why doesn't anyone use restoration? Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread PC Games Sales Thread ZeroSpace Megathread Summer Games Done Quick 2026!
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Trading/Investing Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Cricket [SPORT] TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Facing Challenges in Mobile App Development
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How Streaming Impacts Game P…
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 6438 users

Greatest Rivalries of SC2: NaNiwa vs ThorZain - Page 4

Forum Index > SC2 General
78 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 All
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
December 16 2015 16:23 GMT
#61
On December 16 2015 23:12 travis wrote:
I can't remember which game it was, but there was some game in the TSL that Thorzain played that was a tvp that was just like one of the most epic sc2 games of all time. It was so long ago, I can't even remember what happened. All I remember is that it was really really exciting.

Was it a tvp vs MC ?


Almost certainly g4 Thorzain vs MC on whirlwind
Moderator
Rioo
Profile Joined May 2012
46 Posts
December 16 2015 17:30 GMT
#62
Oh man this brings back memories. Back then I was a big fan of them both, Thorzain for being the terran hope and inspiration when I was still playing a lot, and Naniwa for his skill and determination. Can't remember who I rooted for when they played though.
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19366 Posts
December 16 2015 18:01 GMT
#63
But when it came down to the finals, he’d freeze up, choke, lose focus and start crumbling under the pressure.


A little harsh lol. Their TSL3 meeting was the one of my favorite foreigner moments.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
December 16 2015 20:22 GMT
#64
Thorzain in TSL3 was the definition of a miracle run
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
ensign_lee
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1178 Posts
December 16 2015 20:25 GMT
#65
Great article, with a great writing style. thanks for this!
vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
December 16 2015 20:51 GMT
#66
I miss Thorzain so much, he was such a tactical genius. I wish he could come back and play, but I don't see that happening unfortunately. I am loving these articles lately.
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-16 21:05:03
December 16 2015 21:04 GMT
#67
TSL3 was such an amazing tournament. Great memories. I remember going crazy during the finals.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Zetter
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany629 Posts
December 16 2015 21:14 GMT
#68
On December 17 2015 01:23 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2015 23:12 travis wrote:
I can't remember which game it was, but there was some game in the TSL that Thorzain played that was a tvp that was just like one of the most epic sc2 games of all time. It was so long ago, I can't even remember what happened. All I remember is that it was really really exciting.

Was it a tvp vs MC ?


Almost certainly g4 Thorzain vs MC on whirlwind


You mean Tal'darim Altar.
Mendici sumus. Hoc est verum. | I don't mind straight people, as long as they act gay in public. | Es ist keine Tugend edel geboren werden, sondern sich edel machen | οἶδα οὐκ εἰδώς
Enstein
Profile Joined April 2013
Russian Federation134 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-16 21:32:00
December 16 2015 21:30 GMT
#69
In my heart ThorZaIN will always be the one and only true King of the North.

I also remember his all-kill of Quantic-Incredible Miracle in the first series of the Grand Final of IPL Team Arena Challenge 1. Mousesports finished 2nd after beating SlayerS and Col.MVP http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IPL_Team_Arena_Challenge/1

Rooting for MaNa, Snute and Bunny. Europe holds!
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
December 16 2015 21:31 GMT
#70
On December 17 2015 06:14 Zetter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2015 01:23 stuchiu wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:12 travis wrote:
I can't remember which game it was, but there was some game in the TSL that Thorzain played that was a tvp that was just like one of the most epic sc2 games of all time. It was so long ago, I can't even remember what happened. All I remember is that it was really really exciting.

Was it a tvp vs MC ?


Almost certainly g4 Thorzain vs MC on whirlwind


You mean Tal'darim Altar.


Right, that one.
Moderator
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3764 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-16 23:16:06
December 16 2015 23:15 GMT
#71
If it was supposed to be GoT reference, shouldn't it be King in the North?
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3764 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-16 23:21:32
December 16 2015 23:18 GMT
#72
Also NaNiwa should have MLG Global Invitational listed. Winning Bo3 against Mvp and Nestea is no small feat.

EDIT: I guess MLG Global Invitaitional is against the narrative. But hey - it's only premier title with top 2 Koreans of 2011. Not to mention Ret, Jinro and White-Ra in eurosegment.
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9439 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-16 23:22:32
December 16 2015 23:21 GMT
#73
On December 17 2015 01:23 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2015 23:12 travis wrote:
I can't remember which game it was, but there was some game in the TSL that Thorzain played that was a tvp that was just like one of the most epic sc2 games of all time. It was so long ago, I can't even remember what happened. All I remember is that it was really really exciting.

Was it a tvp vs MC ?


Almost certainly g4 Thorzain vs MC on whirlwind


Tal Darim Altar I think the map was called back then. ^^

But yeh, prior to that TvP was considered unbeatable late game, but Thorzain showed what terran could do with lots of Ghost which let him win an engagement where he was behind.
igay
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Australia1178 Posts
December 17 2015 01:34 GMT
#74
The good old days
MVP <3 MKP <3 DRG <3
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
December 17 2015 16:57 GMT
#75
TSL3 was such an awesome tournament. From the qualifiers, wondering who'd run the gauntlet each qualifier to make it, to the points, seeing who'd get enough points to make it that way, to the tournament which was so epic. I remember not knowing much about ThorZaIN when he won his qualifier, and he was considered by most to be such a huge underdog before demolishing fruitdealer, heck he was probably considered an underdog against hapless NonY in round 2 Lol.
NaNiwa could win as much as he likes afterwords, but losing this series against ThorZaIN is something he'd probably always remember.
messioso
Profile Joined June 2011
Denmark635 Posts
December 18 2015 03:40 GMT
#76
Miss them both
Former ESL League Operations. I ran IEM/WCS for like 3 years or something. I did map vetos on a tablet. That guy.
Madars
Profile Joined December 2011
Latvia166 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-18 11:22:48
December 18 2015 11:21 GMT
#77
On December 16 2015 13:35 forsooth wrote:
Thorzain's style was the most aggravating thing in the world to watch. I've never seen a more determinedly passive player.

Thorzain the king of spoons.
Didn't even know that between these two was a special rivalry.
<3 Alexis Eusebio, Lee Shin Hyung, Choi Seong Hun, Joo Sung Wook, Jang Min Chul, Kim Yoo Jin, Lee Young Ho, Lee Shin Hyung, Yun Young Seo, Kim Joon Ho, Jeong Jong Hyeon, Eo Yoon Su, Johan Lucchesi, Ilyes Satouri
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3764 Posts
December 19 2015 07:47 GMT
#78
On December 18 2015 20:21 Madars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2015 13:35 forsooth wrote:
Thorzain's style was the most aggravating thing in the world to watch. I've never seen a more determinedly passive player.

Thorzain the king of spoons.
Didn't even know that between these two was a special rivalry.

I wonder if we get article about MaNa and Nerchio as well.
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
December 27 2015 01:18 GMT
#79
On December 19 2015 16:47 nimdil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 20:21 Madars wrote:
On December 16 2015 13:35 forsooth wrote:
Thorzain's style was the most aggravating thing in the world to watch. I've never seen a more determinedly passive player.

Thorzain the king of spoons.
Didn't even know that between these two was a special rivalry.

I wonder if we get article about MaNa and Nerchio as well.

It isn't as good of a rivalry, Nerchio is ahead by a lot in direct comparism (65-29 in maps, 26-8 in matches). MaNa's vZ was historically always his worst MU, while Nerchio never had really weak ZvP.

ThorZaIN vs Naniwa was always exciting; Nerchio vs MaNa was a lot more one-sided, even when MaNa was the better vP/vT-player at certain times.
Prev 1 2 3 4 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 5h 26m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RuFF_SC2 180
Nina 52
StarCraft: Brood War
Leta 104
Aegong 70
Dewaltoss 63
Sexy 51
Noble 13
Icarus 7
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm149
League of Legends
JimRising 820
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox496
Other Games
summit1g13228
PiGStarcraft1131
WinterStarcraft551
ViBE233
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick553
BasetradeTV173
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 11 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo1192
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5h 26m
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
10h 26m
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
14h 26m
Jaystar vs Dewalt
eOnzErG vs TerrOr
XuanXuan vs Bonyth
Mihu vs Dewalt
Messiah vs Jaystar
eOnzErG vs Bonyth
TerrOr vs Dewalt
Wardi Open
1d 6h
OSC
1d 19h
Replay Cast
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
OSC
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
[ Show More ]
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
6 days
XuanXuan vs Jaystar
Mihu vs Messiah
eOnzErG vs Dewalt
Bonyth vs Jaystar
TerrOr vs Messiah
XuanXuan vs Mihu
eOnzErG vs Jaystar
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4 - GSB
2026 GSL S2
Heroes Pulsing #1

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
YSL S3
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
SCTL 2026 Spring
Maestros of the Game 2
WardiTV Spring 2026
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Murky Cup 2026
Heroes Pulsing #2
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1

Upcoming

CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
Douyu Cup 2026
Heroes Pulsing #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.