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Greatest Rivalries of SC2: NaNiwa vs ThorZain - Page 4

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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
December 16 2015 16:23 GMT
#61
On December 16 2015 23:12 travis wrote:
I can't remember which game it was, but there was some game in the TSL that Thorzain played that was a tvp that was just like one of the most epic sc2 games of all time. It was so long ago, I can't even remember what happened. All I remember is that it was really really exciting.

Was it a tvp vs MC ?


Almost certainly g4 Thorzain vs MC on whirlwind
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Rioo
Profile Joined May 2012
46 Posts
December 16 2015 17:30 GMT
#62
Oh man this brings back memories. Back then I was a big fan of them both, Thorzain for being the terran hope and inspiration when I was still playing a lot, and Naniwa for his skill and determination. Can't remember who I rooted for when they played though.
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19366 Posts
December 16 2015 18:01 GMT
#63
But when it came down to the finals, he’d freeze up, choke, lose focus and start crumbling under the pressure.


A little harsh lol. Their TSL3 meeting was the one of my favorite foreigner moments.
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
December 16 2015 20:22 GMT
#64
Thorzain in TSL3 was the definition of a miracle run
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
ensign_lee
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1178 Posts
December 16 2015 20:25 GMT
#65
Great article, with a great writing style. thanks for this!
vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
December 16 2015 20:51 GMT
#66
I miss Thorzain so much, he was such a tactical genius. I wish he could come back and play, but I don't see that happening unfortunately. I am loving these articles lately.
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-16 21:05:03
December 16 2015 21:04 GMT
#67
TSL3 was such an amazing tournament. Great memories. I remember going crazy during the finals.
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Zetter
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany629 Posts
December 16 2015 21:14 GMT
#68
On December 17 2015 01:23 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2015 23:12 travis wrote:
I can't remember which game it was, but there was some game in the TSL that Thorzain played that was a tvp that was just like one of the most epic sc2 games of all time. It was so long ago, I can't even remember what happened. All I remember is that it was really really exciting.

Was it a tvp vs MC ?


Almost certainly g4 Thorzain vs MC on whirlwind


You mean Tal'darim Altar.
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Enstein
Profile Joined April 2013
Russian Federation134 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-16 21:32:00
December 16 2015 21:30 GMT
#69
In my heart ThorZaIN will always be the one and only true King of the North.

I also remember his all-kill of Quantic-Incredible Miracle in the first series of the Grand Final of IPL Team Arena Challenge 1. Mousesports finished 2nd after beating SlayerS and Col.MVP http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IPL_Team_Arena_Challenge/1

Rooting for MaNa, Snute and Bunny. Europe holds!
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
December 16 2015 21:31 GMT
#70
On December 17 2015 06:14 Zetter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2015 01:23 stuchiu wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:12 travis wrote:
I can't remember which game it was, but there was some game in the TSL that Thorzain played that was a tvp that was just like one of the most epic sc2 games of all time. It was so long ago, I can't even remember what happened. All I remember is that it was really really exciting.

Was it a tvp vs MC ?


Almost certainly g4 Thorzain vs MC on whirlwind


You mean Tal'darim Altar.


Right, that one.
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nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3764 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-16 23:16:06
December 16 2015 23:15 GMT
#71
If it was supposed to be GoT reference, shouldn't it be King in the North?
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3764 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-16 23:21:32
December 16 2015 23:18 GMT
#72
Also NaNiwa should have MLG Global Invitational listed. Winning Bo3 against Mvp and Nestea is no small feat.

EDIT: I guess MLG Global Invitaitional is against the narrative. But hey - it's only premier title with top 2 Koreans of 2011. Not to mention Ret, Jinro and White-Ra in eurosegment.
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9439 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-16 23:22:32
December 16 2015 23:21 GMT
#73
On December 17 2015 01:23 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2015 23:12 travis wrote:
I can't remember which game it was, but there was some game in the TSL that Thorzain played that was a tvp that was just like one of the most epic sc2 games of all time. It was so long ago, I can't even remember what happened. All I remember is that it was really really exciting.

Was it a tvp vs MC ?


Almost certainly g4 Thorzain vs MC on whirlwind


Tal Darim Altar I think the map was called back then. ^^

But yeh, prior to that TvP was considered unbeatable late game, but Thorzain showed what terran could do with lots of Ghost which let him win an engagement where he was behind.
igay
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Australia1178 Posts
December 17 2015 01:34 GMT
#74
The good old days
MVP <3 MKP <3 DRG <3
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
December 17 2015 16:57 GMT
#75
TSL3 was such an awesome tournament. From the qualifiers, wondering who'd run the gauntlet each qualifier to make it, to the points, seeing who'd get enough points to make it that way, to the tournament which was so epic. I remember not knowing much about ThorZaIN when he won his qualifier, and he was considered by most to be such a huge underdog before demolishing fruitdealer, heck he was probably considered an underdog against hapless NonY in round 2 Lol.
NaNiwa could win as much as he likes afterwords, but losing this series against ThorZaIN is something he'd probably always remember.
messioso
Profile Joined June 2011
Denmark635 Posts
December 18 2015 03:40 GMT
#76
Miss them both
Former ESL League Operations. I ran IEM/WCS for like 3 years or something. I did map vetos on a tablet. That guy.
Madars
Profile Joined December 2011
Latvia166 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-18 11:22:48
December 18 2015 11:21 GMT
#77
On December 16 2015 13:35 forsooth wrote:
Thorzain's style was the most aggravating thing in the world to watch. I've never seen a more determinedly passive player.

Thorzain the king of spoons.
Didn't even know that between these two was a special rivalry.
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nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3764 Posts
December 19 2015 07:47 GMT
#78
On December 18 2015 20:21 Madars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2015 13:35 forsooth wrote:
Thorzain's style was the most aggravating thing in the world to watch. I've never seen a more determinedly passive player.

Thorzain the king of spoons.
Didn't even know that between these two was a special rivalry.

I wonder if we get article about MaNa and Nerchio as well.
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
December 27 2015 01:18 GMT
#79
On December 19 2015 16:47 nimdil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 20:21 Madars wrote:
On December 16 2015 13:35 forsooth wrote:
Thorzain's style was the most aggravating thing in the world to watch. I've never seen a more determinedly passive player.

Thorzain the king of spoons.
Didn't even know that between these two was a special rivalry.

I wonder if we get article about MaNa and Nerchio as well.

It isn't as good of a rivalry, Nerchio is ahead by a lot in direct comparism (65-29 in maps, 26-8 in matches). MaNa's vZ was historically always his worst MU, while Nerchio never had really weak ZvP.

ThorZaIN vs Naniwa was always exciting; Nerchio vs MaNa was a lot more one-sided, even when MaNa was the better vP/vT-player at certain times.
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