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On June 19 2012 09:30 MLG John wrote:
At the Summer Championship, there will be an MLG Starcraft II Event and the North America Continental Finals of the Starcraft II World Championship Series. Players will not be allowed to play in both Events. So, Players who have already qualified for the NA Continental Finals, like the Players who finished in the top 16 of the USA Nationals in Anaheim, won't be allowed to participate in any MLG Summer Online Qualifiers.
So at the same time of doing something awesome for eSports, Blizzard doesn't allow players to compete in the biggest international tournament of the Summer...
MLG Summer is one tournament I will not be watching. What the hell is the point of even having it in North America if the best players in North America aren't allowed to participate?
Biggest failure in eSports history.
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This is really, really bad... Players have to be able to grab every opportunity for events and to play in them. Only allowing them to compete in one of two is just bad for the scene.
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The main issue for WCS/MLG was that players rightfully assumed that the schedules would have been made to accommodate the constraints that arise when running parallel competitions because there was coordination between the two organizations. Post mlg, a number of players talked about choosing one or the other because of how much of a negative impact trying to do both had on their performances. This idea the prohibiting the players from one or the other solves anything is ludicrous. The whole point of combining the events and putting them in the same venue was to make it easy to do both. If the schedule is rigorous then so be it. Come up with a system/schedule, inform the players, and then let them decide if the lack of breaks is worth trying to compete in both events. Otherwise it just seems like a huge mistake to try to do both tournaments at once.
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Terrible decision by both MLG and Blizzard. Here are the end results for both parties.
For Blizzard, if there is an option for players to drop out, they will do so and choose to participate in MLG. If they can't, they will become bitter with the tournament and possibly choose to not participate in future tournaments(The SC2 tourney scene is really that huge now)
For MLG, the biggest thing I see them losing is a huge viewer chunk with Idra not being able to participate. The others remove possible dark horse possibilities that make MLG special
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well if theyre not gonna let players play in both hopefully they'll drop the wcs stream from the red/blue streams since no one will want to watch it anyways
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I'm not a pro, will never be a pro so this doesn't affect me.
+ Show Spoiler +But wow, sometimes I wonder what goes on in the high level meetings where decisions like these are made. The short notice for the players, the fallout for fans and the loss for teams/sponsors with players that have to choose are all just negatives I could come up with in about 10 seconds. I'm a business owner and sometimes I just wonder how some companies remain solvent with decision making like this.
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On June 19 2012 11:53 hagrin wrote:I'm not a pro, will never be a pro so this doesn't affect me. + Show Spoiler +But wow, sometimes I wonder what goes on in the high level meetings where decisions like these are made. The short notice for the players, the fallout for fans and the loss for teams/sponsors with players that have to choose are all just negatives I could come up with in about 10 seconds. I'm a business owner and sometimes I just wonder how some companies remain solvent with decision making like this.
try reading the thread first.
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What...the hell? Why is the solution to player complaints regarding their participation in 2 events held on the same weekend at the same location to suddenly bar them from playing at both events at Raleigh? A walkthrough of the decision-making process on that one would be most appreciated, and perhaps necessary to do anything in terms of quelling the impending shitstorm.
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This is pretty pathetic, why would such a conflict even exist. Inexcusable and really disappointing.
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Rofl, I saw Idra post this on twitter and thought he was joking. I can't understand the logic behind this scheduling. Is it really that hard to seperate the event. For example, instead of MLG hosting a blizzard tournament, blizzard hosts an MLG tournament in their venue space - over the course of say - a week. This isn't going to work out well for the players at all.. I'm sure most are pretty upset ;~;
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Well, it does suck obviously that this has to happen that way. However I can understand why they are doing it because it didn't work for players to play in both tournaments. I am pretty sure that the WCS finals or w/e will have a huge prize pool so it shouldn't really affect the players that much, and they will still get the same exposure. If people want to watch there favorite players play they will still be able to watch them (tho they wont be playing some other people like koreans etc.).
I have a feeling that this decision was made along time ago for both tournys to be held at the same time and they had to make the rule change at the last minute because they were not able to have players play in both effectively.
I think its weird that they announce the qualifiers in such short notice, its kinda bad for the players and viewers.
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I can't say I'm surprised they aren't allowing players to compete in both events. It caused a ton of problems and people complained a lot. But I do think there are better solutions out there. Yes, they cost more money, but Blizzard is paying a ton of money to hold separate events for other countries.
Quite frankly, it doesn't need to take 3 days to finish WCS. Its only 64 players, that can be done in 2 days. I would have liked to see them start WCS a day earlier. With the actual MLG tournament not starting until 5pm on Friday, WCS could be almost done by then, and only a few players would be playing in both tournaments at the same time.
Yes it costs more money, but it makes your event 100 times better for everyone.
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On the list of things they thought would be a reasonable solution to the problem that plagued the last MLG, how did this one make it through as the "right choice"?
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So the top players from North America will not even be able to play at MLG Summer since they will be in the WCS tournament?
Um...... What?
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You're kidding right MLG?
What a complete joke not allowing them to play at MLG just because they are doing the WCS tournament...might as well pack up and leave to EU/KR.
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On June 19 2012 11:51 Elite_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 09:30 MLG John wrote:
At the Summer Championship, there will be an MLG Starcraft II Event and the North America Continental Finals of the Starcraft II World Championship Series. Players will not be allowed to play in both Events. So, Players who have already qualified for the NA Continental Finals, like the Players who finished in the top 16 of the USA Nationals in Anaheim, won't be allowed to participate in any MLG Summer Online Qualifiers. So at the same time of doing something awesome for eSports, Blizzard doesn't allow players to compete in the biggest international tournament of the Summer...
MLG Summer is one tournament I will not be watching. What the hell is the point of even having it in North America if the best players in North America aren't allowed to participate? Biggest failure in eSports history.
Yeah, Idra does have a Twitter.
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Why are both of these events scheduled at the same time again?
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On June 19 2012 12:13 avilo wrote:
Why are both of these events scheduled at the same time again?
Blizzard probably don't want to run there own tournament so they get tournaments already in the space to do it.
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Really poor decision considering how important MLG, the premier NA tourny, is to most of the players in WCS NA. Imagine if the WCS EU finals were during Dreamhack Winter and players could only participate in 1 event or if WCS Asia finals were during GSL...
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DRAAAMMMMAAAAAA! E-Sports is over! It's the end times!!
If these were 2 seperate events at 2 seperate locations, like IPL / MLG then you couldn't physically be at both and everyone would be saying 'well, it sucks that they are both on teh same weekend, guess players will have to choose which tournament is more important to them.
But because these 2 tournaments are at the same location this causes drama and 'omg worst thing in the world!'
This is not a big deal. 2 tournaments, 1 weekend, don't compete in both or you'll play like shit in both. Now that you're not allowed to compete in both, at least the games in both will be good, focused games.
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