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MerdaPura
Profile Joined February 2012
Brazil148 Posts
May 11 2012 20:33 GMT
#21
Starcraft 2 is not static, if you balance something a few weeks later someone will come with somethign that fills the previous spot.
Terrans complain that they have no more options early game. 90% of the TvZs were reactor hellion expand, that tells me that reactor hellion expand is actually very good, really really good.
Now its slitghly less good, as zergs can counter it more effectively, its not like it simply vanished and its shit that will cause you to lose if you do it, its still good. And good is OK.
Dont even need to point out the 111, right?
pirsq
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia145 Posts
May 11 2012 20:33 GMT
#22
On May 12 2012 05:19 Holophonist wrote:
Right off the bat I want to just squash this notion of "well if _____ is so overpowered, why don't you switch?" This bothers me to no end everytime somebody suggests it because it makes no sense in the context of the game we're playing. Each race plays vastly different and supports vastly different playstyles. I will never play protoss in a serious way. Ever. Not because I think they're the weakest, but just because it seems incredibly boring.

The idea is not that any specific player should switch races, but the fact that anyone can switch races. If a race is significantly overpowered, we ought to see a massive imbalance in terms of player population at competitive levels. Since we don't really see that, the conclusion is that no race is significantly overpowered.
TheSwamp
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1497 Posts
May 11 2012 20:37 GMT
#23
So just be the next BoxeR. Got it!
MLG: How is your Protoss? Idra: I make Blink Stalkers, so really, really good.
zergmacro34
Profile Joined March 2012
59 Posts
May 11 2012 20:39 GMT
#24
sounds bloggy

dont take what flash said too seriously hes just starting out
aka_star
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United Kingdom1546 Posts
May 11 2012 20:41 GMT
#25
the game will also be imbalanced you must play to your race's strengths and work on your weakness's
FlashDave.999 aka Star
1st_Panzer_Div.
Profile Joined November 2010
United States621 Posts
May 11 2012 20:44 GMT
#26
Flash just started on SC2 and hasn't even locked in a main race yet, not to mention the interview reads quite a bit like he's having fun and joking around.
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Mystgun
Profile Joined September 2010
Hong Kong311 Posts
May 11 2012 20:44 GMT
#27
Koreans are an imba race in sc2...
-Kira
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
352 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-11 20:45:31
May 11 2012 20:44 GMT
#28
That's what i did. Played all the races and chose the one that i think will be the strongest in my hands, so no reason to complain if you have free choice.

Game with so many factors will never be balanced on other than statistical level.
Kluey
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada1197 Posts
May 11 2012 20:52 GMT
#29
When you're making your living off of a video game like Flash or any other progamer for that matter, balance does matter. Losing a match that's worth 20,000 USD because your opponent abused something that is imbalanced isn't fun. Flash is probably stressed as hell because he's worried about his future.
BuddhaMonk
Profile Joined August 2010
781 Posts
May 11 2012 20:57 GMT
#30
I think Flash is simply setting expectations.
-Kira
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
352 Posts
May 11 2012 20:58 GMT
#31
On May 12 2012 05:52 Kluey wrote:
When you're making your living off of a video game like Flash or any other progamer for that matter, balance does matter. Losing a match that's worth 20,000 USD because your opponent abused something that is imbalanced isn't fun. Flash is probably stressed as hell because he's worried about his future.


You don't lose games, because of something that your opponent did. Terrans do fine in tournaments atm, why would he be worried?
][Primarch][
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden302 Posts
May 11 2012 21:02 GMT
#32
People say that Flash should not "whine" (actually he doesn't and didn't whine ever) cause he is not a high level player.....but the high level SC2 terrans are actually complaining a lot, not only in the foreign scene but also in Korea................also every other Terran is complaining.......that is a pretty big part of our community. The amount of Terrrans complaining about the current meta and balance is actually completely freaking insanely huge. It is sad to see their community brothers just shrugging it offff and telling them to adapt and get good at the game.
Huge fan of Empire Kas, The Destroyer of Worlds, The Machine, The Second Terminator, The Supreme Robot!
Arco
Profile Joined September 2009
United States2090 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-11 21:20:46
May 11 2012 21:20 GMT
#33
On May 12 2012 05:58 -Kira wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2012 05:52 Kluey wrote:
When you're making your living off of a video game like Flash or any other progamer for that matter, balance does matter. Losing a match that's worth 20,000 USD because your opponent abused something that is imbalanced isn't fun. Flash is probably stressed as hell because he's worried about his future.


You don't lose games, because of something that your opponent did. Terrans do fine in tournaments atm, why would he be worried?

Terrans do fine because the best Koreans aren't playing Protoss at the moment.

Parting: Best PvT in world, Former eSTRO B teamer
MVP: Best Terran in world, Former BW A Teamer
-Kira
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
352 Posts
May 11 2012 21:23 GMT
#34
On May 12 2012 06:20 Tump wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2012 05:58 -Kira wrote:
On May 12 2012 05:52 Kluey wrote:
When you're making your living off of a video game like Flash or any other progamer for that matter, balance does matter. Losing a match that's worth 20,000 USD because your opponent abused something that is imbalanced isn't fun. Flash is probably stressed as hell because he's worried about his future.


You don't lose games, because of something that your opponent did. Terrans do fine in tournaments atm, why would he be worried?

Terrans do fine because the best Koreans aren't playing Protoss at the moment.

Parting: Best PvT in world, Former eSTRO B teamer
MVP: Best Terran in world, Former BW A Teamer


Flash: master league, best sc:bw player.

Sc1 skill does not equall sc2 skill.
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
May 11 2012 21:26 GMT
#35
On May 12 2012 06:23 -Kira wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2012 06:20 Tump wrote:
On May 12 2012 05:58 -Kira wrote:
On May 12 2012 05:52 Kluey wrote:
When you're making your living off of a video game like Flash or any other progamer for that matter, balance does matter. Losing a match that's worth 20,000 USD because your opponent abused something that is imbalanced isn't fun. Flash is probably stressed as hell because he's worried about his future.


You don't lose games, because of something that your opponent did. Terrans do fine in tournaments atm, why would he be worried?

Terrans do fine because the best Koreans aren't playing Protoss at the moment.

Parting: Best PvT in world, Former eSTRO B teamer
MVP: Best Terran in world, Former BW A Teamer


Flash: master league, best sc:bw player.

Sc1 skill does not equall sc2 skill.

A bad example since Flash has barely played SC2 full-time.
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-Kira
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
352 Posts
May 11 2012 21:30 GMT
#36
On May 12 2012 06:26 Telcontar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2012 06:23 -Kira wrote:
On May 12 2012 06:20 Tump wrote:
On May 12 2012 05:58 -Kira wrote:
On May 12 2012 05:52 Kluey wrote:
When you're making your living off of a video game like Flash or any other progamer for that matter, balance does matter. Losing a match that's worth 20,000 USD because your opponent abused something that is imbalanced isn't fun. Flash is probably stressed as hell because he's worried about his future.


You don't lose games, because of something that your opponent did. Terrans do fine in tournaments atm, why would he be worried?

Terrans do fine because the best Koreans aren't playing Protoss at the moment.

Parting: Best PvT in world, Former eSTRO B teamer
MVP: Best Terran in world, Former BW A Teamer


Flash: master league, best sc:bw player.

Sc1 skill does not equall sc2 skill.

A bad example since Flash has barely played SC2 full-time.


And other players have had diffirent conditions and approach to training before, there was enaugh time to catch up in skill, some were younger, some of them didn't play sc:bw. You can't know how a player would do as other race in competitive play untill he actually does it.
Aphod
Profile Joined March 2012
United States72 Posts
May 11 2012 21:31 GMT
#37
Hey look, my hat fell into the ring. Whoops.

Yes, certain races are OP, but only within the current meta. You think BW wasn't back and forth for years? It's only so balanced because it's been out so long and there are viable counters to everything. There are still thousands of creative ways to beat annoying strategies just waiting for people to figure them out. PvZ, for example, is just now shifting to favor Zerg. For the longest time it was a Protoss-favored matchup and Zergs cried imba. But lo and behold, the balance has shifted with no buffs or nerfs.

Have some more faith in the community's creativity, guys. Stop pressuring Blizzard when you should be pressuring yourself to figure out a way to beat x strategy.
Dude, suckin’ at something is the first step to being sorta good at something.
Arco
Profile Joined September 2009
United States2090 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-11 21:34:02
May 11 2012 21:33 GMT
#38
On May 12 2012 06:23 -Kira wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2012 06:20 Tump wrote:
On May 12 2012 05:58 -Kira wrote:
On May 12 2012 05:52 Kluey wrote:
When you're making your living off of a video game like Flash or any other progamer for that matter, balance does matter. Losing a match that's worth 20,000 USD because your opponent abused something that is imbalanced isn't fun. Flash is probably stressed as hell because he's worried about his future.


You don't lose games, because of something that your opponent did. Terrans do fine in tournaments atm, why would he be worried?

Terrans do fine because the best Koreans aren't playing Protoss at the moment.

Parting: Best PvT in world, Former eSTRO B teamer
MVP: Best Terran in world, Former BW A Teamer


Flash: master league, best sc:bw player.

Sc1 skill does not equall sc2 skill.

MVP is the best player to come over from BW that has had enough time to practice the game. Flash just started playing, and he's phenomenal already. How does SC1 skill not equal SC2 skill? Pretty sure you just proved my point.

Whatever, enjoy eating your words in the near future.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
May 11 2012 21:39 GMT
#39
On May 12 2012 06:33 Tump wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2012 06:23 -Kira wrote:
On May 12 2012 06:20 Tump wrote:
On May 12 2012 05:58 -Kira wrote:
On May 12 2012 05:52 Kluey wrote:
When you're making your living off of a video game like Flash or any other progamer for that matter, balance does matter. Losing a match that's worth 20,000 USD because your opponent abused something that is imbalanced isn't fun. Flash is probably stressed as hell because he's worried about his future.


You don't lose games, because of something that your opponent did. Terrans do fine in tournaments atm, why would he be worried?

Terrans do fine because the best Koreans aren't playing Protoss at the moment.

Parting: Best PvT in world, Former eSTRO B teamer
MVP: Best Terran in world, Former BW A Teamer


Flash: master league, best sc:bw player.

Sc1 skill does not equall sc2 skill.

MVP is the best player to come over from BW that has had enough time to practice the game. Flash just started playing, and he's phenomenal already. How does SC1 skill not equal SC2 skill? Pretty sure you just proved my point.

Whatever, enjoy eating your words in the near future.

Right. "Phenomenal". When you haven't even seen him play a single game yet.

Or do you mean reaching Masters league? Because that's not a big deal. Didn't Aphrodite hit Master's League as her first placement?
Average means I'm better than half of you.
ShaneFeit
Profile Joined August 2011
92 Posts
May 11 2012 21:56 GMT
#40
I think Terrans are having a very tough time against Protoss at the moment and I do hope that Blizzard does something to late game TvP. But it is also a chance to to force innovation for terrans. If it isnt broken dont fix it, now that the matchup is broken I hope to see some new plays by terrans.
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