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On September 22 2011 04:51 GhoSt[shield] wrote:
To all those slightly unaware of how travel VISA situation works for Chinese citizens.
VISAs are all issued by the PRC's government. All mainland Chinese citizen's must apply for a travel VISA should they wish to travel/study outside of the PRC. The VISA is required to pass China's border security and without it no Chinese citizen travel abroad.
This has nothing to do with the US government like some uninformed people are posturing. It is an issue with the PRC's VISA issuing government department and their rejection of XiGua's and Uhen's applications for unknown reasons.
What? This has everything to do with the US... I deal with international students from China on a weekly basis so I'm pretty sure that you're the uninformed one here...
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On September 22 2011 04:51 GhoSt[shield] wrote:
To all those slightly unaware of how travel VISA situation works for Chinese citizens.
VISAs are all issued by the PRC's government. All mainland Chinese citizen's must apply for a travel VISA should they wish to travel/study outside of the PRC. The VISA is required to pass China's border security and without it no Chinese citizen travel abroad.
This has nothing to do with the US government like some uninformed people are posturing. It is an issue with the PRC's VISA issuing government department and their rejection of XiGua's and Uhen's applications for unknown reasons.
I doubt if you really actually applied for a visa, to any country that requires it.
Visa's are issued by the citizen's destination country, the origin country only gives its citizen passports, which typically requires no complicated process and no rejections.
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On September 22 2011 04:22 ppshchik wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 04:18 hahaimhenry wrote:
i find it funny that chinese people can't travel to america because of visa problems lol
im chinese, don't think i'm racist. There are some cases where 6 months / 7 months pregnant Chinese women (with clothings that can cover their belly) seeking to travel to USA so they can give birth to their children there. Chinese will always be Chinese
at least these "illegals" who sneak into the US and do these births have money and contribute to the economy which is more than i can say for some US citizens. and at least their method of entering US is better than colonialism from the "American" ancestors.
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Can we start banning posts made by people acting like experts which are blatantly wrong?
I have no idea how travel works (not an adult never handled it) and misinformation is really not helpful.
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I've seen Visa issues for pro E-sports players coming up to much lately.
But i haven't heard of other ''sportmen'' getting denied access when they are just coming to compete in a tournament?
Or maybe they do get rejected? Not to into sports so i guess i can't say.
Either way, its sucks. =/
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i've had relatives visit the states on one of those tours and then they bailed and never left lol. not from china tho, but its the same thing
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I think the Americans should just admit that they're scared of our players
i joke i joke
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shame, i was really looking forward to watching XiGua, really a good zerg from what ive seen =(, was definitely good on ESV's streaming
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On September 22 2011 06:10 zev318 wrote:
i've had relatives visit the states on one of those tours and then they bailed and never left lol. not from china tho, but its the same thing
I bet they're terrible people who freeload off the government and mass produce kids that fill up the public schools too. That's what illegal immigrants do right?
Visa applications have everything to do with politics, and the US gov is particularly prone to overblown paranoia. (See the LOL worthy reactions to the Aircraft Carrier that just launched). It's disappointing that people who would have a legitimate reason to visit, and entertain/enrich our society are denied access because of top-level political pissing contests. It's unlikely to change, and as an SC2 fan, that's a bummer.
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On September 22 2011 06:03 Redmark wrote:
Can we start banning posts made by people acting like experts which are blatantly wrong?
I have no idea how travel works (not an adult never handled it) and misinformation is really not helpful.
For the countries I was it works like this (bunch of european ones, Turkye, South Korea):
I go to the Airport.
Show my passport.
Fly
Show my passport
Leave the Airport.
Now.... if you want to go to the US... You will basically get anal raped by various ranges of burocracy depending on the country you are from and how "nice" the US thinks of it  .
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We can all thank our muckraking, xenophobic press for misinforming the American public on the benefits of issuing work visas. To everyone reading this thread, remember this when someone tries to scare you into voting for protectionist policies/politicians.
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It has a quite a bit to do with mutual political conflicts between countries. The problems here are most likely coming from the American side in issuing visas. It's similar with Russia. It's hell for an American to apply for a Russian visa (I haven't done it, but have known people who have had to go there on business assignments) because of the Russian side, while it's the same (if not harder) the other way around because US and Russia aren't exactly too friendly.
With China-US, China just seems to be more impartial in giving visas which is why it's generally a lot easier to get a visa from China than the other way around. And yes, visas come from the destination nation, so the fact that those Chinese players can't get visas has to do with the American side. Oh well :S.
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On September 20 2011 22:33 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
I dont get why it would be that level of difficult to enter the US as a Chinese citizen.. China is supposed to be the communist nation that is hard to enter, yet you dont often hear of americans denied visas to China -_-
Actually it's hilariously hard to get a VISA to go to China. I've only been a few times for business related activities (these clear very quickly) but the VISAs are very restrictive and in my case I was required to have extensive documentation for exactly what I'd be doing while I was there and was given a strict time window for how long I'd be able to stay in the country.
I think you don't hear about problems getting to China because nothing really happens over there ESPORTS wise. As an addendum I'd add that China is very good about getting people into the country who are doing something productive or image-related for them (business related, Olympics, I'd imagine WCG when it was hosted there).
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On September 22 2011 06:16 Velr wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 06:03 Redmark wrote:
Can we start banning posts made by people acting like experts which are blatantly wrong?
I have no idea how travel works (not an adult never handled it) and misinformation is really not helpful. Now.... if you want to go to the US... You will basically get anal raped by various ranges of burocracy depending on the country you are from and how "nice" the US thinks of it .
I wouldn't personally call it so much beaurocracy as I would call it a genuine fear of foreigners brought on by a country traumatized by 9/11, and a political class (which includes the media) that seeks to take advantage of that trauma for their own gain.
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On September 22 2011 02:14 Trentelshark wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 01:49 Tula wrote:
It's a shame that esports isn't big enough yet for them to be considered professional athletes. If they were this certainly wouldn't be a problem (have you ever heard of an US Open player being denied a VISA?).
On the other hand, i understand why the US custom regulations have to be harsh, illegal immigrants are a big problem, and there is a fairly sizeable chinese minority already in place in the USA.
I hope Blizzard-Activision helps them, or at least sorts out some kind of solution for such problems in the future. Considering how big a market China is for them, it shouldn't be impossible to invest into a staffer who tries to sort out such problems ahead of time. There's numerous reports every year of players either going Canada to US, Europe to US or Russia to US having issues with VISAs when they join NHL teams. They eventually get pushed through (expedited by the NHL as a rule of thumb) but even here, it's not a guaranteed thing they'll be granted one right away, though never heard of a not at all case.
that's kind of what i meant. If a big athelete (or a player for a big club) gets such problems, the club or sports association tries (and usually succeeds) to sort them out. With esports we lack the clout necessary to do something like that.
Maybe Blizzard has the necessary clout but so far, they haven't used it (e.g. Bratok NASL problems).
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On September 22 2011 06:22 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
It has a quite a bit to do with mutual political conflicts between countries. The problems here are most likely coming from the American side in issuing visas. It's similar with Russia. It's hell for an American to apply for a Russian visa (I haven't done it, but have known people who have had to go there on business assignments) because of the Russian side, while it's the same (if not harder) the other way around because US and Russia aren't exactly too friendly.
With China-US, China just seems to be more impartial in giving visas which is why it's generally a lot easier to get a visa from China than the other way around. And yes, visas come from the destination nation, so the fact that those Chinese players can't get visas has to do with the American side. Oh well :S.
The mutual conflict is Americans afraid of Chinese players stomping their American counterparts
XiGua Fighting!
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On September 22 2011 06:00 digmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 04:51 GhoSt[shield] wrote:
To all those slightly unaware of how travel VISA situation works for Chinese citizens.
VISAs are all issued by the PRC's government. All mainland Chinese citizen's must apply for a travel VISA should they wish to travel/study outside of the PRC. The VISA is required to pass China's border security and without it no Chinese citizen travel abroad.
This has nothing to do with the US government like some uninformed people are posturing. It is an issue with the PRC's VISA issuing government department and their rejection of XiGua's and Uhen's applications for unknown reasons. I doubt if you really actually applied for a visa, to any country that requires it. Visa's are issued by the citizen's destination country, the origin country only gives its citizen passports, which typically requires no complicated process and no rejections.
actually you are both correct :D
In olden days (something you are likely not to remember, and something i have only learned about in history) when Visa's were invented you had to get one from both the country you are leaving as well as the country you are entering. Nowadays most countries (frankly i thought it was all of them) only care who is entering not where their citizens are going.
Maybe China is still one of the countries who expects their citizens to ask for permission to leave the country, frankly i don't know so i will bow to the superior knowledge (at least i hope it's knowledge and not a guess) of the poster prior to you.
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On September 22 2011 07:10 Tula wrote:
Maybe China is still one of the countries who expects their citizens to ask for permission to leave the country, frankly i don't know so i will bow to the superior knowledge (at least i hope it's knowledge and not a guess) of the poster prior to you.
Green cards are the best, go US<=>China w/o Visa or anything, plane ticket and that's it
makes me wonder why some Chinese immigrants want citizenship so bad
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They'll get their visas. They have a month to get them.
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Hmm, that's not good news..
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