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Termit
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden3466 Posts
March 22 2011 19:19 GMT
#241
Stop change the build time on bunkers every fucking patch. Now you have to scout a cheese/all-in fast as fuck if you wanna get up some bunkers in time. ._.
( ̄。 ̄)~zzz ◕ ◡ ◕
Deleted User 108965
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1096 Posts
March 22 2011 19:23 GMT
#242
i really like the new icons, much less bland!
Disciple....Top 3 control in Clarion County
Armada Vega
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada120 Posts
March 22 2011 19:29 GMT
#243
"Leagues will now be locked during the final weeks of the season. As a result players will not accumulate additional bonus points and will not be promoted or demoted out of their current division during this period.

This will allow players to focus on moving up in their current league without being promoted during the final weeks of a season, and having to fight their way up from the bottom ranks of their new higher league. "

What does this mean exactly and how do I know when a season has begun or ended?

release notes make it seem like you can never rank up into another league "gold to Platinum" until a season is over.
twitter: @ArmadaVega
epicdoom
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States489 Posts
March 22 2011 19:29 GMT
#244
So there's no way I can see/calculate my win/loss ratio?? Or see total games played??
prove
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany12 Posts
March 22 2011 19:32 GMT
#245
On March 22 2011 23:44 zende wrote:
when is it coming for eu? :D

bnet says on wednesday march 23.. should be at 3:00 in the morning.
goodvibes
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada51 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-22 19:37:48
March 22 2011 19:33 GMT
#246
I quit this game from KA removal.

As a protoss player, colossus is beyond over-used and Templars were an alternative to create variability. Now, Colossus are the only units to build and PvT just became Auto-win for terran.

Vikings > colossus.
Good job Blizzard, you have just made 1 build the only build protoss will ever do Vs. terran to attempt a win: 6Gate all-ins.

Furthermore, the removal of losses was not necessary. To elaborate your progression, you NEED to know your losses. It helps you understand your game dynamics. I guess we need to start keeping our own record, via excel.

Congratulations Blizzard, this game is now a complete fail.

User was warned for this post
Jimmeh
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom908 Posts
March 22 2011 19:37 GMT
#247
On March 23 2011 04:33 goodvibes wrote:
I quit this game from KA removal.

As a protoss player, colossus is beyond over-used and Templars were an alternative to create variability. Now, Colossus are the only units to build and PvT just became Auto-win for terran.

Vikings > colossus.
Good job Blizzard, you have just made 1 build the only build protoss will ever do Vs. terran to attempt a win: 6Gate all-ins.


patch isn't even up for an hour yet and you've already quit? your ability to crank out hundreds of games in an hour and then accurately report on new balance changes astounds me, please tell me more.
TripleCow
Profile Joined February 2011
United States240 Posts
March 22 2011 19:39 GMT
#248
On March 23 2011 04:29 Armada Vega wrote:
"Leagues will now be locked during the final weeks of the season. As a result players will not accumulate additional bonus points and will not be promoted or demoted out of their current division during this period.

This will allow players to focus on moving up in their current league without being promoted during the final weeks of a season, and having to fight their way up from the bottom ranks of their new higher league. "

What does this mean exactly and how do I know when a season has begun or ended?

release notes make it seem like you can never rank up into another league "gold to Platinum" until a season is over.


They said that the new season will begin a week from today. If you ladder during this week, your MMR will change but your league will always stay the same.

Hence, when you replace next week, you could very well be in another league, depending on the MMR change.
Tyler: "I only needed one probe to take down IdrA. I had to upgrade to a zealot for Strelok."
goodvibes
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada51 Posts
March 22 2011 19:40 GMT
#249
On March 23 2011 04:37 Jimmeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2011 04:33 goodvibes wrote:
I quit this game from KA removal.

As a protoss player, colossus is beyond over-used and Templars were an alternative to create variability. Now, Colossus are the only units to build and PvT just became Auto-win for terran.

Vikings > colossus.
Good job Blizzard, you have just made 1 build the only build protoss will ever do Vs. terran to attempt a win: 6Gate all-ins.


patch isn't even up for an hour yet and you've already quit? your ability to crank out hundreds of games in an hour and then accurately report on new balance changes astounds me, please tell me more.


I have over 1000 games under my belt since last Feb when I bought Beta on Ebay for $250. KA made game play HAVE variability.

Ghosts completely kill protoss; without storms, you lose to terran - period. Sure, "pros" can pull off wins, but not everyone is a Pro and how many Pro's abuse storm? ...Exactly.

KA was an upgrade that allowed protoss to maintain a control of "marine" production, essentially FORCE terran to produce other units. Lets not forget that the marine is a unit that can be massed to annihilate the entire protoss race.

User was warned for this post
Roggay
Profile Joined April 2010
Switzerland6320 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-22 19:41:57
March 22 2011 19:41 GMT
#250
On March 23 2011 04:33 goodvibes wrote:
I quit this game from KA removal.

As a protoss player, colossus is beyond over-used and Templars were an alternative to create variability. Now, Colossus are the only units to build and PvT just became Auto-win for terran.

Vikings > colossus.
Good job Blizzard, you have just made 1 build the only build protoss will ever do Vs. terran to attempt a win: 6Gate all-ins.

Furthermore, the removal of losses was not necessary. To elaborate your progression, you NEED to know your losses. It helps you understand your game dynamics. I guess we need to start keeping our own record, via excel.

Congratulations Blizzard, this game is now a complete fail.


Thats good, because we don't need people like you in the community anyway. Just because one upgrade is removed, the game is a complete fail?... common.
Blacklizard
Profile Joined May 2007
United States1194 Posts
March 22 2011 19:42 GMT
#251
Wow, I really didn't think Blizzard was going to axe Khaydarin Amulet. Very sad day.
goodvibes
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada51 Posts
March 22 2011 19:42 GMT
#252
I will actually say that my PVT strategies all used Storms to control marines. This is why I effectively quit.

A single marauder drop, 4 marauders, can take out 6 gateway units. You need to warp in storm + zealots to handle this.Now? LOL. These drops will be effectively game ending All-in.

Play a few games at low master's level and see how often you are forced to get storm b/c terran only go 1 fucking unit composition: marine.
KovuTalli
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom325 Posts
March 22 2011 19:42 GMT
#253
So, whos ready for even more Stalker/sentry/collosi balls now that Temps are nerfed?
"Milk tastes like milk" - Raelcun.
goodvibes
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada51 Posts
March 22 2011 19:45 GMT
#254
On March 23 2011 04:41 Roggay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2011 04:33 goodvibes wrote:
I quit this game from KA removal.

As a protoss player, colossus is beyond over-used and Templars were an alternative to create variability. Now, Colossus are the only units to build and PvT just became Auto-win for terran.

Vikings > colossus.
Good job Blizzard, you have just made 1 build the only build protoss will ever do Vs. terran to attempt a win: 6Gate all-ins.

Furthermore, the removal of losses was not necessary. To elaborate your progression, you NEED to know your losses. It helps you understand your game dynamics. I guess we need to start keeping our own record, via excel.

Congratulations Blizzard, this game is now a complete fail.


Thats good, because we don't need people like you in the community anyway. Just because one upgrade is removed, the game is a complete fail?... common.


You're a trend whore. If you can honestly tell me the KA removal was not a blow to PvT balance, then you're an idiot.

The bottom line is production control. Templars forced terran to produce other units, outside of the marine dynamic. With templars gone (who in their right mind will build them, considering an EMP now kills any chance of storm), protoss have "1" counter to MARINES - Colossus.

Colossus is a broken unit. It's beyond overpowered vs. Zerg and Protoss; yet, completely useless in PvT when a terran masses 2 units: Vikings/Marauders.
Overpowered
Profile Joined January 2011
Czech Republic764 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-22 19:46:29
March 22 2011 19:46 GMT
#255
On March 23 2011 04:42 KovuTalli wrote:
So, whos ready for even more Stalker/sentry/collosi balls now that Temps are nerfed?

Terrans, because they will blindly go vikings and still win
Just another gold Protoss...
SCdinner
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada516 Posts
March 22 2011 19:46 GMT
#256
Love the battle cruiser and infestor buff. The battle cruiser needed something to make it viable while the infestor is great I found myself never using it so this will encourage me. I am really sad the Khaydarin Amulet upgrade is gone. I thought it was a really cool dynamic to be able to warp in defensive high templars. More importiantly I will miss the archon toilet even though It was used on me twice as much as I used it on otherse
My other car is a battlecruiser.
goodvibes
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada51 Posts
March 22 2011 19:49 GMT
#257
My god, I see the new build order of protoss to "attempt" a win vs. terran at all levels below masters:
4 gate.

In masters - 6 gate.

Terran will blindly go:
vikings/marauders
Vikings/thors/marines
Thors/marauders/marines
Mass marines, with a fake starport to give the impression they are going vikings...

Protoss is fucked. This pisses me off b/c of the amount of time I've invested in PvT builds to get me into masters. Now, I quit.
SCdinner
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada516 Posts
March 22 2011 19:50 GMT
#258
On March 23 2011 04:45 goodvibes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2011 04:41 Roggay wrote:
On March 23 2011 04:33 goodvibes wrote:
I quit this game from KA removal.

As a protoss player, colossus is beyond over-used and Templars were an alternative to create variability. Now, Colossus are the only units to build and PvT just became Auto-win for terran.

Vikings > colossus.
Good job Blizzard, you have just made 1 build the only build protoss will ever do Vs. terran to attempt a win: 6Gate all-ins.

Furthermore, the removal of losses was not necessary. To elaborate your progression, you NEED to know your losses. It helps you understand your game dynamics. I guess we need to start keeping our own record, via excel.

Congratulations Blizzard, this game is now a complete fail.


Thats good, because we don't need people like you in the community anyway. Just because one upgrade is removed, the game is a complete fail?... common.


You're a trend whore. If you can honestly tell me the KA removal was not a blow to PvT balance, then you're an idiot.

The bottom line is production control. Templars forced terran to produce other units, outside of the marine dynamic. With templars gone (who in their right mind will build them, considering an EMP now kills any chance of storm), protoss have "1" counter to MARINES - Colossus.

Colossus is a broken unit. It's beyond overpowered vs. Zerg and Protoss; yet, completely useless in PvT when a terran masses 2 units: Vikings/Marauders.

The PvT late game dynamic I think was ballanced by emps only taking away 100 energy. There is a good chance that the ht will have at least one storm in the bank after being struck with an emp. Now the units will have to be pre planned and save up energy more so they'll be proactive rather than reactive units. Don't get me wrong I will miss the Khaydarin Amulet upgrade but I think they're still viable against bio terran.
My other car is a battlecruiser.
Mesha
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Bosnia-Herzegovina439 Posts
March 22 2011 19:51 GMT
#259
Sorry if i didn't understood obvious but after this season, with the beginning of the new season, do we start with 0 points and 0 bonus pool?
Reality hits you hard bro.
Griffith`
Profile Joined September 2010
714 Posts
March 22 2011 19:53 GMT
#260
On March 23 2011 04:49 goodvibes wrote:
My god, I see the new build order of protoss to "attempt" a win vs. terran at all levels below masters:
4 gate.

In masters - 6 gate.

Terran will blindly go:
vikings/marauders
Vikings/thors/marines
Thors/marauders/marines
Mass marines, with a fake starport to give the impression they are going vikings...

Protoss is fucked. This pisses me off b/c of the amount of time I've invested in PvT builds to get me into masters. Now, I quit.


Lol sad, you're probably in the boat of Protoss players that don't get chronoboost upgrades. I don't even need T3 to beat MMM anymore, just straightup chargelots with 5 armor (including guardian shield) makes bioballs nearly useless.
griffith.583 (NA)
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