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On April 27 2010 05:00 Klockan3 wrote:
The idea for a map like this is dumb, the only reason it survived in sc1 was because it was seen as a normal map instead of a custom map allowing people to play it for stats. I mean, you could just as well make each SCV turn in 20 minerals per trip as doing this and call it fastest and it would be the same thing, and really who would do that? And why stop at 20, why not increase it to 30, or even 50? Then it would be even faster, no? BUT, that is the point, without a hardcoded cap like you had in BW (Fastest was the fastest you could have without making a "use map settings" map) you will not have a limit which will fragment the playerbase and ultimately destroy it.
Fastest maps will be dead within a few months of release, I am sure of it. What will survive though are the normal money maps like BGH since they don't change the game except for making bases not run out of minerals.
you know your argument against fmp can be said the same for bgh as well.
hell, why not just make a custom trigger where no mining is needed, right? o_o
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i love fastest cuz it bring back great memories. i play bgh/iccup now tho but when i started playing starcraft fastest was THE SHIT! so much fun big armies. its nice to try out everything a game has to offer rather then some close korean wanna bes in this forum :D
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i love how these some of these hypocrites bash on fastest maps but praise the hell out of BGH at the same time. BGH is esentially the same thing as fastest maps only without the fastest part. you still stick to one base and MAYBE get ur natural or another double gas on BGH since theres no real need to expand at all.
its so stupid how some of you guys think. and the amount of ppl that choose BGH over the original and REAL hunters map is just as insane as fastest players. and whats even funnier is that some ppl consider BGH a non money map -_-; seriously ppl stop being dum asses.
and all of you "1v1 pytho obs" players are no better. playing one map and ONLY one map is nothing special what so ever so stop trying to be a elitist asshole.
fastest maps does not "ruin the game" like some retards may think. if it "ruined the game" then why the hell do we have a pro scene in starcraft? what would that make TL for if fastest maps "runied the game"? all of the pro players over in korea and the foreign pros are still playing starcraft competivily with or without fastest maps. so tell me how the hell it "ruins the game" if only casual players play on fastest maps?
seriously gtfo with that retarded bs. this fastest map ridiculing and elitism vs money map and non money map players has to fucking stop. its getting old and only shows your stupidity.
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You've said everything I've been thinking, but in such an eloquent matter. +1!
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fastest map is so stupid
all the non d- protosses will go mass zealots transition into mass dragoons, the zergs will turtle and then mass hydras, and terran, well terran is the hardest race to play on this map
everyone just does the same thing
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On April 27 2010 11:55 saltywet wrote:
fastest map is so stupid
all the non d- protosses will go mass zealots transition into mass dragoons, the zergs will turtle and then mass hydras, and terran, well terran is the hardest race to play on this map
everyone just does the same thing
d- is a casual player and thus just wants to enjoy the game and will have no desire to become a "pro" player. so who the fuck are u to take his enjoyment away from him just because he is a casual player? gtfo and let them have fun. if you want to watch pro players play then go watch them play and stop trying to bash on a casual player for being a fucking casual player -_-
i know this is TL and its a site dedicated to pro gaming of starcraft, but someone has to draw the line some fucking where and let ppl enjoy starcraft any way they want to enjoy it. ppl bashing on other ppl just because there method of enjoying the game is different from another is just not cool
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On April 27 2010 05:00 Klockan3 wrote:
The idea for a map like this is dumb, the only reason it survived in sc1 was because it was seen as a normal map instead of a custom map allowing people to play it for stats. I mean, you could just as well make each SCV turn in 20 minerals per trip as doing this and call it fastest and it would be the same thing, and really who would do that? And why stop at 20, why not increase it to 30, or even 50? Then it would be even faster, no? BUT, that is the point, without a hardcoded cap like you had in BW (Fastest was the fastest you could have without making a "use map settings" map) you will not have a limit which will fragment the playerbase and ultimately destroy it.
Fastest maps will be dead within a few months of release, I am sure of it. What will survive though are the normal money maps like BGH since they don't change the game except for making bases not run out of minerals.
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Well said. Even blizzard stated that they didn't really expect fastest maps to last that long. Who on the right mind would play fastest for no stats when they could just play their choice of random, casual, and actually well made UMS from a huge list.
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And where exactly did Blizzard say that? It's very easy to put words into someone else's mouth. :o
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On April 27 2010 13:46 Half wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2010 05:00 Klockan3 wrote:
The idea for a map like this is dumb, the only reason it survived in sc1 was because it was seen as a normal map instead of a custom map allowing people to play it for stats. I mean, you could just as well make each SCV turn in 20 minerals per trip as doing this and call it fastest and it would be the same thing, and really who would do that? And why stop at 20, why not increase it to 30, or even 50? Then it would be even faster, no? BUT, that is the point, without a hardcoded cap like you had in BW (Fastest was the fastest you could have without making a "use map settings" map) you will not have a limit which will fragment the playerbase and ultimately destroy it.
Fastest maps will be dead within a few months of release, I am sure of it. What will survive though are the normal money maps like BGH since they don't change the game except for making bases not run out of minerals. ^ Well said. Even blizzard stated that they didn't really expect fastest maps to last that long. Who on the right mind would play fastest for no stats when they could just play their choice of random, casual, and actually well made UMS from a huge list.
LOL!!
You do realise that Fastest Map is easier for noobs to start on than any of the other 'normal' maps SC1 offered.
I would have been super lost in the normal maps. But when my friend introduced me to SC1, it was to FMP - and I got hooked.
So there are benefits to FMP - you reel in players who might not have otherwise wanted to play SC1 online. It's a start anyway.
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i dont know if this was mentioned but WONT MULES OWN IN THIS giving terran a far superior eco????
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Chrono will give Protoss an equal boost, and so will Zerg's spawn larvae. I think it'll actually be almost even between each race's economy/macro mechanic.
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On April 27 2010 13:07 Ballistixz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2010 11:55 saltywet wrote:
fastest map is so stupid
all the non d- protosses will go mass zealots transition into mass dragoons, the zergs will turtle and then mass hydras, and terran, well terran is the hardest race to play on this map
everyone just does the same thing d- is a casual player and thus just wants to enjoy the game and will have no desire to become a "pro" player. so who the fuck are u to take his enjoyment away from him just because he is a casual player? gtfo and let them have fun. if you want to watch pro players play then go watch them play and stop trying to bash on a casual player for being a fucking casual player -_- i know this is TL and its a site dedicated to pro gaming of starcraft, but someone has to draw the line some fucking where and let ppl enjoy starcraft any way they want to enjoy it. ppl bashing on other ppl just because there method of enjoying the game is different from another is just not cool
you got issues, go get some counselling. how am i taking enjoyment away from players? where am i bashing players? i was just bashing the map. there is nothing enjoyable about doing the same goddam repetitive thing on this map just to win.
i wasnt talking about the d- players anyways, if you couldnt read ill spell it out for you: "non d-"
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On April 28 2010 08:53 saltywet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2010 13:07 Ballistixz wrote:On April 27 2010 11:55 saltywet wrote:
fastest map is so stupid
all the non d- protosses will go mass zealots transition into mass dragoons, the zergs will turtle and then mass hydras, and terran, well terran is the hardest race to play on this map
everyone just does the same thing d- is a casual player and thus just wants to enjoy the game and will have no desire to become a "pro" player. so who the fuck are u to take his enjoyment away from him just because he is a casual player? gtfo and let them have fun. if you want to watch pro players play then go watch them play and stop trying to bash on a casual player for being a fucking casual player -_- i know this is TL and its a site dedicated to pro gaming of starcraft, but someone has to draw the line some fucking where and let ppl enjoy starcraft any way they want to enjoy it. ppl bashing on other ppl just because there method of enjoying the game is different from another is just not cool you got issues, go get some counselling. how am i taking enjoyment away from players? where am i bashing players? i was just bashing the map. there is nothing enjoyable about doing the same goddam repetitive thing on this map just to win. i wasnt talking about the d- players anyways, if you couldnt read ill spell it out for you: "non d-"
your entire post was there to bash on the map and the ppl that play on that map and its very obvious you were doing just that -_-
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Fastest maps do have the benefit of showing the abilities of all units, though. Even though you normally would never be able to mass 200/200 of BC's, you get to see what happens if you were somehow able to 
That said, good luck having the proper rig for it. I drop to like 10-20fps watching maxed out ZvT armies fight with all those damn lings and marines.
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On April 28 2010 09:11 Ballistixz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2010 08:53 saltywet wrote:On April 27 2010 13:07 Ballistixz wrote:On April 27 2010 11:55 saltywet wrote:
fastest map is so stupid
all the non d- protosses will go mass zealots transition into mass dragoons, the zergs will turtle and then mass hydras, and terran, well terran is the hardest race to play on this map
everyone just does the same thing d- is a casual player and thus just wants to enjoy the game and will have no desire to become a "pro" player. so who the fuck are u to take his enjoyment away from him just because he is a casual player? gtfo and let them have fun. if you want to watch pro players play then go watch them play and stop trying to bash on a casual player for being a fucking casual player -_- i know this is TL and its a site dedicated to pro gaming of starcraft, but someone has to draw the line some fucking where and let ppl enjoy starcraft any way they want to enjoy it. ppl bashing on other ppl just because there method of enjoying the game is different from another is just not cool you got issues, go get some counselling. how am i taking enjoyment away from players? where am i bashing players? i was just bashing the map. there is nothing enjoyable about doing the same goddam repetitive thing on this map just to win. i wasnt talking about the d- players anyways, if you couldnt read ill spell it out for you: "non d-" your entire post was there to bash on the map and the ppl that play on that map and its very obvious you were doing just that -_-
i bash it because its a map where only occasionally its fun to mess around on it. people who know how to play actually play it seriously, which is meaningless and boring. and BGH is actually a lot better than fastest.
bgh is a money map, but it takes more skill to play bgh, because on bgh you can't get 200/200 army in 6 minutes, on team games race composition plays a huge role, map position plays a huge role as well. you would not be able to beat 4 zergs with 4 protosses on bgh, you would have a difficult time as protoss spawning at 11 or 12 next to a zerg, but on fastest it doesnt matter.
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I doubt fastest money maps will last long in an environment like sc2. In sc1 you had no working ladder, only custom games... and playing on fastest money maps was essentially equal in value to playing on a real map with reference to your stats. With a working ladder and no reward for winning in fastest money maps, these maps will cease to exist fairly quickly. I'd suggest you guys keep your focus on sc1, because you are fighting an AMM with real stats and real ladder rankings.
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On April 27 2010 20:03 Spartan wrote:
Chrono will give Protoss an equal boost, and so will Zerg's spawn larvae. I think it'll actually be almost even between each race's economy/macro mechanic.
Thinking about this, i think now terran will actually have the most trouble since their macro mechanic won't matter as much anymore...
Or I could be completely wrong and 4 orbital commands becomes insta-moneyhax and will just make an entire base and army appear at instatly.
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On April 28 2010 09:38 saltywet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2010 09:11 Ballistixz wrote:On April 28 2010 08:53 saltywet wrote:On April 27 2010 13:07 Ballistixz wrote:On April 27 2010 11:55 saltywet wrote:
fastest map is so stupid
all the non d- protosses will go mass zealots transition into mass dragoons, the zergs will turtle and then mass hydras, and terran, well terran is the hardest race to play on this map
everyone just does the same thing d- is a casual player and thus just wants to enjoy the game and will have no desire to become a "pro" player. so who the fuck are u to take his enjoyment away from him just because he is a casual player? gtfo and let them have fun. if you want to watch pro players play then go watch them play and stop trying to bash on a casual player for being a fucking casual player -_- i know this is TL and its a site dedicated to pro gaming of starcraft, but someone has to draw the line some fucking where and let ppl enjoy starcraft any way they want to enjoy it. ppl bashing on other ppl just because there method of enjoying the game is different from another is just not cool you got issues, go get some counselling. how am i taking enjoyment away from players? where am i bashing players? i was just bashing the map. there is nothing enjoyable about doing the same goddam repetitive thing on this map just to win. i wasnt talking about the d- players anyways, if you couldnt read ill spell it out for you: "non d-" your entire post was there to bash on the map and the ppl that play on that map and its very obvious you were doing just that -_- i bash it because its a map where only occasionally its fun to mess around on it. people who know how to play actually play it seriously, which is meaningless and boring. and BGH is actually a lot better than fastest. bgh is a money map, but it takes more skill to play bgh, because on bgh you can't get 200/200 army in 6 minutes, on team games race composition plays a huge role, map position plays a huge role as well. you would not be able to beat 4 zergs with 4 protosses on bgh, you would have a difficult time as protoss spawning at 11 or 12 next to a zerg, but on fastest it doesnt matter.
It's not "occasionally" fun if the players enjoy it then fuck off of them seriously. BGH is pretty much the same thing except you have to micro and all of that,because its a more refined map..
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I think we should all accept that in the map department, all we love, hate, and more, will come back to us in SC2.
So we should just accept it and move on.
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if you play on fastest though you can learn all the skills and units and tech trees and everything much faster
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