Also literally the only time Maru wins a korean weekender is when is it's not a weekender
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Fango
United Kingdom8803 Posts
Also literally the only time Maru wins a korean weekender is when is it's not a weekender | ||
machinus
United States284 Posts
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GoloSC2
702 Posts
On March 29 2020 00:19 machinus wrote: Maru is better than Serral because his race was not imbalanced when he won his championships. this is so low-effort it's actually amazing | ||
Nakajin
Canada8764 Posts
On March 29 2020 00:11 Fango wrote: If Maru did this before his fourth Code S win they would have given him G5L. Also literally the only time Maru wins a korean weekender is when is it's not a weekender Assuming the G5L trophy isn't in the attic of a GOMTV employe who stopped working at the GSL years ago. | ||
machinus
United States284 Posts
No, it's just true. | ||
Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
The truth can be very unpleasant. | ||
Fango
United Kingdom8803 Posts
On March 29 2020 00:47 Nakajin wrote: Assuming the G5L trophy isn't in the attic of a GOMTV employe who stopped working at the GSL years ago. They'd have to make a new one, hence why it's only gonna be given out if the 5th title is a Code S due to them having a full week to order it. | ||
Argonauta
Spain4724 Posts
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BonitiilloO
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RKC
2847 Posts
Personally, it was quite a frustrating watch. I was rooting for Dark. I'm not familiar with the current meta and haven't been following the game as much. So take my mini rant with a pinch of salt. I felt Maru 'tilted' and made more errors than Dark. Prime example was the BC slip. Somehow, I felt mistakes by Terran are more forgiving, whilst mistakes by Zerg snowballs easier. The games Dark won were a slog despite the early advantages he had (which provides more opportunities for Maru to comeback). I'm sure the last game must've been entertaining to most viewers due to the non-stop action. But to me, it was just endless drop-attack-drop-attack by Terran. It seemed more like Terran playing against the computer - there wasn't much Dark could do. If Maru executes well, he wins. If not, he loses. There was little strategic or tactical depth to the game. Maybe it was the map, maybe it was Dark's build. It just felt anti-climatic. Oh well. Maybe it's just me. Oddly enough, I've always been more of a Terran fan. In fact, I'll be rooting for Flash against Action tomorrow. Perhaps it's a matter of taste for play-styles, I appreciate Flash's slow push of doom Terran-style (which perhaps explains why I enjoy Inno more than Maru's games in SC2). Then again, I also enjoy 'creative' plays like Bisu and Boxer in SC2. Also, the reason why I enjoy Dark most amongst other Zergs is his creative styles (Rogue is just too chaotic and erratic). That's not to say I don't admire Maru's skills in micro and engagements. Somehow, I just find them rather one-dimensional and boring to watch. To me, the current state of TvZ in SC2 is as annoying as watching ZvP in BW - muta harass (medivac drops) and hydra bust (tankivac timings). Overall, I'm in a bit funny spot right now. For BW, I root for Terran. For SC2, I root for Zerg. It's something to do with the playstyle and current meta, I suppose. I wonder if someone more enlightened can shed some light... (Sorry, if I sound rather rambling. Having trouble articulating my thoughts exactly! And to be clear, my comment has nothing to do with balance, but about play-styles.) | ||
GoloSC2
702 Posts
On March 29 2020 02:05 RKC wrote: [...] I'm sure the last game must've been entertaining to most viewers due to the non-stop action. But to me, it was just endless drop-attack-drop-attack by Terran. It seemed more like Terran playing against the computer - there wasn't much Dark could do. If Maru executes well, he wins. If not, he loses. There was little strategic or tactical depth to the game. Maybe it was the map, maybe it was Dark's build. It just felt anti-climatic. Oh well. Maybe it's just me.) [...] Wanted to address this point, because this was really Dark and his tech choice (the roach push that got scouted) that enabled Maru to go for drop play and abuse the immobility and lack of anti-air of the roach army. So I don't think "there wasn't much dark could do" is really true, he decided to go for a certain route this game and maru responded correctly, and very well at that On March 29 2020 01:53 Argonauta wrote: I really need an in depth from old tosis from today's matches, including Solar thrown/Maru comeback in game 2 Dunno, the Solar throw seemed pretty straight-forward to me, as in "don't stay on pure roach / ravager tech vs t unless you can steamroll them". Maybe solar overestimated his position, but after his second attack that failed to finish the game i felt any advantage he had had was gone | ||
Aunvilgodess
954 Posts
On March 29 2020 02:05 RKC wrote: Congrats, Maru! Personally, it was quite a frustrating watch. I was rooting for Dark. I'm not familiar with the current meta and haven't been following the game as much. So take my mini rant with a pinch of salt. I felt Maru 'tilted' and made more errors than Dark. Prime example was the BC slip. Somehow, I felt mistakes by Terran are more forgiving, whilst mistakes by Zerg snowballs easier. The games Dark won were a slog despite the early advantages he had (which provides more opportunities for Maru to comeback). I'm sure the last game must've been entertaining to most viewers due to the non-stop action. But to me, it was just endless drop-attack-drop-attack by Terran. It seemed more like Terran playing against the computer - there wasn't much Dark could do. If Maru executes well, he wins. If not, he loses. There was little strategic or tactical depth to the game. Maybe it was the map, maybe it was Dark's build. It just felt anti-climatic. Oh well. Maybe it's just me. Oddly enough, I've always been more of a Terran fan. In fact, I'll be rooting for Flash against Action tomorrow. Perhaps it's a matter of taste for play-styles, I appreciate Flash's slow push of doom Terran-style (which perhaps explains why I enjoy Inno more than Maru's games in SC2). Then again, I also enjoy 'creative' plays like Bisu and Boxer in SC2. Also, the reason why I enjoy Dark most amongst other Zergs is his creative styles (Rogue is just too chaotic and erratic). That's not to say I don't admire Maru's skills in micro and engagements. Somehow, I just find them rather one-dimensional and boring to watch. To me, the current state of TvZ in SC2 is as annoying as watching ZvP in BW - muta harass (medivac drops) and hydra bust (tankivac timings). Overall, I'm in a bit funny spot right now. For BW, I root for Terran. For SC2, I root for Zerg. It's something to do with the playstyle and current meta, I suppose. I wonder if someone more enlightened can shed some light... (Sorry, if I sound rather rambling. Having trouble articulating my thoughts exactly! And to be clear, my comment has nothing to do with balance, but about play-styles.) I think you need to hopp on ladder with Terran to really appreciate what Maru is doing. It may be that Maru had more "slip ups" in the games, but often and especially in the last 3 games he was outmultitasking Dark hard. And that is the ultimate display of skill in SC2. Not micro. Not macro. But the combination of both. If Maru tilted, it was what brought him to new heights of skill. And about Terran being forgiving, you really need to go play some ladder. Sure, its forgiving if you outclass your opponent that hard with multitasking. But for mere mortals that is not possible. | ||
Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
It's also very wrong. I will never cease remiding those blindly biased people that, when Serral was at his peak(and won the majority of his titles) in 2018, korean Zerg were performing poorly in Code S and even WCS only had a single ZvZ final. Rogue, on the other hand, mostly won titles when Zerg were strong(and that's why he was accused of being a patchzerg; now we can safely say that he's not). In 2019 alone, Dark added 3 Premier titles to the 2 he had won before so one may say he was truly the one benefitting of the heavily Zerg favored meta; however, I guess no one on this forum could conceive such a doubt(neither do I, since I recognize his status of a great, very consistent player). Life in 2015 was the last Zerg who won Code S before Dark did last year, and you throw shades at Serral? | ||
Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On March 29 2020 00:11 Fango wrote: If Maru did this before his fourth Code S win they would have given him G5L. Also literally the only time Maru wins a korean weekender is when is it's not a weekender This ST is Maru's G5L, you mean if he won his fourth Code S after winning a ST? At this point, I am not sure if Afreeca is interested in the G5L trophy at all, it was made ten years ago by GomTV; ideally, Maru would have received it today. Maru is pretty good at winning non weekenders! | ||
TentativePanda
United States742 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19032 Posts
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Elentos
55454 Posts
On March 28 2020 21:36 Waxangel wrote: They held the qualifiers for ST and postponed the tournament for X weeks. Can't blame me for feeling a bit unnerved in the absence of hard dates (as there have been in previous years). I would like to inform you that this conversation was moot to begin with because they announced the start of Code S for April 11 at the end of the show. | ||
mierin
United States4938 Posts
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Poopi
France12466 Posts
On March 29 2020 03:06 Aunvilgodess wrote: I think you need to hopp on ladder with Terran to really appreciate what Maru is doing. It may be that Maru had more "slip ups" in the games, but often and especially in the last 3 games he was outmultitasking Dark hard. And that is the ultimate display of skill in SC2. Not micro. Not macro. But the combination of both. If Maru tilted, it was what brought him to new heights of skill. And about Terran being forgiving, you really need to go play some ladder. Sure, its forgiving if you outclass your opponent that hard with multitasking. But for mere mortals that is not possible. Yeah that's good fucking advice. Us terrans don't worship Maru for no reason lol, we do because the guy plays a fucking other game than mortals. | ||
Landiah
3 Posts
Maru is straight up more accomplished than Serral so there is not even a discussion to begin with, we don't even need to talk about balance or anything | ||
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