On December 25 2017 10:47 pvsnp wrote: Are the four semifinalists from last season automatically qualified? Or do they have to go through qualifiers since it's a new year?
That would be sOs, Stats, Dark, and Inno.
32 players will be qualified so I think Top 4 last year will have to go through qualification process like everyone else. I guess they will get the seeds in group selection. That is all.
May the non-Korean Terrans get Protoss, the non-Korean Zergs get Terran and Protoss, and the non-Korean Protoss get Zergs. All I want for Christmas is 32 Koreans in the GSL.
On December 25 2017 11:33 Boggyb wrote: May the non-Korean Terrans get Protoss, the non-Korean Zergs get Terran and Protoss, and the non-Korean Protoss get Zergs. All I want for Christmas is 32 Koreans in the GSL.
Race and balance matters a lot less for something like this than exactly who they have to beat tbh.
On December 25 2017 11:33 Boggyb wrote: May the non-Korean Terrans get Protoss, the non-Korean Zergs get Terran and Protoss, and the non-Korean Protoss get Zergs. All I want for Christmas is 32 Koreans in the GSL.
Are there 32 Koreans left? There's no way you're keeping the foreigners out
On December 25 2017 11:33 Boggyb wrote: May the non-Korean Terrans get Protoss, the non-Korean Zergs get Terran and Protoss, and the non-Korean Protoss get Zergs. All I want for Christmas is 32 Koreans in the GSL.
Are there 32 Koreans left? There's no way you're keeping the foreigners out
You don't need 32 Koreans. Just rig the groups to keep the foreigners out and let less skillful albeit Korean players in instead.
On December 25 2017 16:36 Diabolique wrote: Just checked the brackets ... pretty insane ... no foreigner has got a chance, as the newly born TBD wins it all!
I must be ill and have not found this bracket, even with the link above.
Can you provide the bracket for the qualifiers? What I am looking at is currently blank for the individuals that do qualify, or were you trolling hardcore?
On December 25 2017 16:36 Diabolique wrote: Just checked the brackets ... pretty insane ... no foreigner has got a chance, as the newly born TBD wins it all!
I must be ill and have not found this bracket, even with the link above.
Can you provide the bracket for the qualifiers? What I am looking at is currently blank for the individuals that do qualify, or were you trolling hardcore?
Well, the participants in the bracket are blank so far, but the winner is already shown - it is the famous TBD, whom I have never seen yet live. Hopefully, we will see him offline this time in the groups when he has won it all ...
On December 25 2017 11:33 Boggyb wrote: May the non-Korean Terrans get Protoss, the non-Korean Zergs get Terran and Protoss, and the non-Korean Protoss get Zergs. All I want for Christmas is 32 Koreans in the GSL.
Are there 32 Koreans left? There's no way you're keeping the foreigners out
You don't need 32 Koreans. Just rig the groups to keep the foreigners out and let less skillful albeit Korean players in instead.
On December 25 2017 11:33 Boggyb wrote: May the non-Korean Terrans get Protoss, the non-Korean Zergs get Terran and Protoss, and the non-Korean Protoss get Zergs. All I want for Christmas is 32 Koreans in the GSL.
Are there 32 Koreans left? There's no way you're keeping the foreigners out
There are easily more than 32 koreans. Last season we had 5 foreigners get in but guys like Zest, Byul, MMA, Nightmare, Trust, Billowy, Pet, Super, Creator, Myungsik etc were all absent
Are there 32 that are better than any foreigner? That's the real question
On December 25 2017 11:33 Boggyb wrote: May the non-Korean Terrans get Protoss, the non-Korean Zergs get Terran and Protoss, and the non-Korean Protoss get Zergs. All I want for Christmas is 32 Koreans in the GSL.
Race and balance matters a lot less for something like this than exactly who they have to beat tbh.
Yes, but it is easier to say that than to say that I want SpeCial to get a group with Stats and Zest, Scarlett to get a group with INnoVation and Cure, Neeb to get a group with Dark and ByuL, etc. all of which are theoretically possible due to how they seed groups due to past performance.
On December 26 2017 02:57 ByuuN wrote: I hope Neeb qualifes.
I could be wrong but I don't think Neeb's in Korea.
NoRegret tweeted that Scarlett, SpeCial, Zanster, SortOf, puCK, DnS and himself were in the foreign house earlier this month. Has Neeb (or anyone else) arrived since then?
Do we know the reason for the different formats in days 1 vs 2? Curious why they would make one day double elimination and the second day single elimination. Do they expect many more people on day 2? I saw that you can participate in both days, but that doesn't quite explain it.
Also, the format on the liquipedia page is different from the one on OP, which makes it sound like both days are part of a single tournament.
On December 26 2017 06:05 SlimeBagly wrote: Do we know the reason for the different formats in days 1 vs 2? Curious why they would make one day double elimination and the second day single elimination. Do they expect many more people on day 2? I saw that you can participate in both days, but that doesn't quite explain it.
Also, the format on the liquipedia page is different from the one on OP, which makes it sound like both days are part of a single tournament.
On December 02 2017 22:29 AfreecaTV_battlegon wrote: Match Format: - Bo3 - 26th (Tue): Double Elimination - 27th (Wed): Ro.8 Single Tournament / Ro.4 Dual Tournament
- 26th (Tue) 16 Players to advance to Code S - 27th (Wed) 16 Players to advance to Code S - If you can not pass the first qualifying round on Tuesday(26th), you will automatically participate in the 2nd day qualifying round on Wednesday
On December 26 2017 06:51 DieuCure wrote: Yes but are they enough ?
4/bracket for day 2 requires 48 players at least in day 1 , and I don't know how many players have retired after gsl 3 2017 (just like Curious ).
Didn't every qualifier last year have ~70 participants? I'm sure it'll be enough unless the qualifiers being over two days discourages a lot of people.
On December 25 2017 11:33 Boggyb wrote: May the non-Korean Terrans get Protoss, the non-Korean Zergs get Terran and Protoss, and the non-Korean Protoss get Zergs. All I want for Christmas is 32 Koreans in the GSL.
thats just about the dumbest wish i've ever heard. no idea where this notion of rather give us bad koreans than foreigners in gsl comes from, makes literally no sense to me.
On December 25 2017 11:33 Boggyb wrote: May the non-Korean Terrans get Protoss, the non-Korean Zergs get Terran and Protoss, and the non-Korean Protoss get Zergs. All I want for Christmas is 32 Koreans in the GSL.
thats just about the dumbest wish i've ever heard. no idea where this notion of rather give us bad koreans than foreigners in gsl comes from, makes literally no sense to me.
It would be good for the korean scene because the low-mid tier koreans are struggling for money and are probably on the brink of retirement while the foreigners playing in GSL aren't struggling at all and are abusing the current unfair system in which they are allowed to compete in korea but koreans aren't allowed to compete abroad just to get some free extra cash.
On December 25 2017 11:33 Boggyb wrote: May the non-Korean Terrans get Protoss, the non-Korean Zergs get Terran and Protoss, and the non-Korean Protoss get Zergs. All I want for Christmas is 32 Koreans in the GSL.
thats just about the dumbest wish i've ever heard. no idea where this notion of rather give us bad koreans than foreigners in gsl comes from, makes literally no sense to me.
It would be good for the korean scene because the low-mid tier koreans are struggling for money and are probably on the brink of retirement while the foreigners playing in GSL aren't struggling at all and are abusing the current unfair system in which they are allowed to compete in korea but koreans aren't allowed to compete abroad just to get some free extra cash.
Basically this. The eligibility requirement for playing in the WCS Circuit should be not being in the current GSL season. That means if players want to play in the GSL, they have to go all in on Korea. It would also possibly mean lower tier Koreans could try their hand in the circuit without having to commit permanently like TRUE.
On December 25 2017 11:33 Boggyb wrote: May the non-Korean Terrans get Protoss, the non-Korean Zergs get Terran and Protoss, and the non-Korean Protoss get Zergs. All I want for Christmas is 32 Koreans in the GSL.
thats just about the dumbest wish i've ever heard. no idea where this notion of rather give us bad koreans than foreigners in gsl comes from, makes literally no sense to me.
While I want GSL to be strictly the highest skill players, foreigeners are free to compete in all events whereas koreans are limited to the WCS KR ones. So it makes sense to favour koreans over foreigners purely because they're korean
Put it this way, it's sad to see mid-tier koreans get knocked out and be unable to play in anything while foreigeners of similar level are playing in both regions
On December 25 2017 11:33 Boggyb wrote: May the non-Korean Terrans get Protoss, the non-Korean Zergs get Terran and Protoss, and the non-Korean Protoss get Zergs. All I want for Christmas is 32 Koreans in the GSL.
thats just about the dumbest wish i've ever heard. no idea where this notion of rather give us bad koreans than foreigners in gsl comes from, makes literally no sense to me.
While I want GSL to be strictly the highest skill players, foreigeners are free to compete in all events whereas koreans are limited to the WCS KR ones. So it makes sense to favour koreans over foreigners purely because they're korean
Put it this way, it's sad to see mid-tier koreans get knocked out and be unable to play in anything while foreigeners of similar level are playing in both regions
Foreigners are free to compete in all events if they are willing and able to put in the time commitment of being available in Korea for (possibly) the entire duration of the GSL. The requirements for participating in WCS and GSL aren't symmetrical, but they haven't been at any point really.
Nice to see some Korean amateurs trying out. Even if they don’t qualify it’s nice to know the scene won’t die entirely when the current batch of players retire.
On December 26 2017 11:36 ZigguratOfUr wrote: sOs vs INno in round 2 is interesting. At least we have a loser's bracket.
Inno in group A is a fraud. Real Inno is in group D
Group D Inno = T-800, Group A Inno = T-1000, new and improved. Won’t choke at Blizzcon and when up 3-0.
yeah Group A Inno already forfeited so he doesnt ever have to go to Blizzcon. cant choke if you don't play
It's probably a mistake. You know how unreliable these brackets can be.
they forfeited the guy in the loser bracket too. his Korean name in the bracket matches http://aligulac.com/players/6991-olvy/ who has played in GSL qualifiers before. prob just no showed
On December 26 2017 11:47 Soke wrote: Inno is actually in group D. I think he was just misplaced.
the 2 innos are capitalized differently and have different names next to them. I think it was just a repeat ID
On December 26 2017 11:36 ZigguratOfUr wrote: sOs vs INno in round 2 is interesting. At least we have a loser's bracket.
Inno in group A is a fraud. Real Inno is in group D
Group D Inno = T-800, Group A Inno = T-1000, new and improved. Won’t choke at Blizzcon and when up 3-0.
yeah Group A Inno already forfeited so he doesnt ever have to go to Blizzcon. cant choke if you don't play
It's probably a mistake. You know how unreliable these brackets can be.
they forfeited the guy in the loser bracket too. his Korean name in the bracket matches http://aligulac.com/players/6991-olvy/ who has played in GSL qualifiers before. prob just no showed
On December 26 2017 11:36 ZigguratOfUr wrote: sOs vs INno in round 2 is interesting. At least we have a loser's bracket.
Inno in group A is a fraud. Real Inno is in group D
Group D Inno = T-800, Group A Inno = T-1000, new and improved. Won’t choke at Blizzcon and when up 3-0.
yeah Group A Inno already forfeited so he doesnt ever have to go to Blizzcon. cant choke if you don't play
It's probably a mistake. You know how unreliable these brackets can be.
they forfeited the guy in the loser bracket too. his Korean name in the bracket matches http://aligulac.com/players/6991-olvy/ who has played in GSL qualifiers before. prob just no showed
On December 26 2017 11:47 Soke wrote: Inno is actually in group D. I think he was just misplaced.
the 2 innos are capitalized differently and have different names next to them. I think it was just a repeat ID
Yeah. You're right. Of course they also spelled NoRegreT's name wrong.
Jake actually did that himself. He wanted it to be NoRugrats, but apparently someone added an "e" (at least that's what he said )
On December 26 2017 11:36 ZigguratOfUr wrote: sOs vs INno in round 2 is interesting. At least we have a loser's bracket.
Inno in group A is a fraud. Real Inno is in group D
Group D Inno = T-800, Group A Inno = T-1000, new and improved. Won’t choke at Blizzcon and when up 3-0.
yeah Group A Inno already forfeited so he doesnt ever have to go to Blizzcon. cant choke if you don't play
It's probably a mistake. You know how unreliable these brackets can be.
they forfeited the guy in the loser bracket too. his Korean name in the bracket matches http://aligulac.com/players/6991-olvy/ who has played in GSL qualifiers before. prob just no showed
On December 26 2017 11:47 Soke wrote: Inno is actually in group D. I think he was just misplaced.
the 2 innos are capitalized differently and have different names next to them. I think it was just a repeat ID
Yeah. You're right. Of course they also spelled NoRegreT's name wrong.
It's admirable that NoRegreT goes for a fourth and fifth base. He doesn't send workers to mine from them though, so it's basically a ling-bane-hydra all-in off five hatches, but it's the thought that counts.
On December 26 2017 12:08 ZigguratOfUr wrote: It's admirable that NoRegreT goes for a fourth and fifth base. He doesn't send workers to mine from them though, so it's basically an all-in off five hatches, but it's the thought that counts.
On December 26 2017 12:08 ZigguratOfUr wrote: It's admirable that NoRegreT goes for a fourth and fifth base. He doesn't send workers to mine from them though, so it's basically an all-in off five hatches, but it's the thought that counts.
They're macro hatches for more lings
Absolutely. That's what's annoying about zerg. They can go for all-ins and half the viewers think it's macro due to all the extra hatches.
On December 25 2017 11:33 Boggyb wrote: May the non-Korean Terrans get Protoss, the non-Korean Zergs get Terran and Protoss, and the non-Korean Protoss get Zergs. All I want for Christmas is 32 Koreans in the GSL.
thats just about the dumbest wish i've ever heard. no idea where this notion of rather give us bad koreans than foreigners in gsl comes from, makes literally no sense to me.
While I want GSL to be strictly the highest skill players, foreigeners are free to compete in all events whereas koreans are limited to the WCS KR ones. So it makes sense to favour koreans over foreigners purely because they're korean
Put it this way, it's sad to see mid-tier koreans get knocked out and be unable to play in anything while foreigeners of similar level are playing in both regions
Foreigners are free to compete in all events if they are willing and able to put in the time commitment of being available in Korea for (possibly) the entire duration of the GSL. The requirements for participating in WCS and GSL aren't symmetrical, but they haven't been at any point really.
They can still compete in the other WCS korea events like IEM Shangai or Super tournament. And given that many of them stay in korea to practice anyway, GSL isn't a difficult commitment
The fact is foreigers can compete in more events than koreans, so it will always be sad when koreans are eliminated from their home events by them. Makes the entire region lock look questionable.
Symbol winning the first game against NoRegreT is mildly surprising, since it isn't clear how much Symbol plays nowadays. Not too surprising though since it's still ZvZ and you should never count out a TSL player with a roach.
I'm kinda surprised that NoRegreT went for a similar ling/bane flood to help harass/deny the third as he went for in game 2. Trap seems to like the stargate into adept stuff that's becoming more and more standard (and the version with two oracles at that), which seems pretty good against these floods.
On December 26 2017 13:36 SNSeigifried wrote: Leenock 2-1 Trust JYP 2-1 Prince
JYP over Prince is a bit surprising. JYP casting himself in Code S--the dream is still alive. Also the lack of ling drops from NoRegreT is disappointing.
On December 26 2017 13:36 SNSeigifried wrote: Leenock 2-1 Trust JYP 2-1 Prince
JYP over Prince is a bit surprising. JYP casting himself in Code S--the dream is still alive. Also the lack of ling drops from NoRegreT is disappointing.
Does anyone know why today gets full double elim., whereas tomorrow gets double elim. only from the ro4 onwards? Seems a bit odd, though the format is still without a doubt a vast improvement over the previous format.
I don't see much hope for the afternoon foreigners--Group D lacks a very strong second player, so maybe DnS can make it? And yeah no ByuN is disappointing.
On December 26 2017 15:43 ZigguratOfUr wrote: I don't see much hope for the afternoon foreigners--Group D lacks a very strong second player, so maybe DnS can make it? And yeah no ByuN is disappointing.
Creator is pretty solid wouldn't be shocked if he won that group tbh he's pretty underrated.
On December 26 2017 16:11 Inflicted wrote: Has went for proxy tempest shield battery contain ahaha
Seems like a pretty sweet build. Neeb also recently took the opponent's gold on Neon Violet Square and went for tempests (though it failed really badly in). Only literal god Has can execute builds on that level.
On December 26 2017 17:28 pvsnp wrote: Inno is gonna be really lonely in the Ro32, isn't he?
I'd be surprised. There aren't that many good players regardless of balance so I don't see Maru or GuMiho failing to make it. Now the Ro16 on the other hand...
edit: Taiwanese stream is back. They'd just gone to get snacks.
On December 26 2017 17:28 pvsnp wrote: Inno is gonna be really lonely in the Ro32, isn't he?
Terrans qualifying at least tomorrow seems unavoidable.
Lol just realized that this is a 2 day qualifier. Since when was that a thing in GSL?
Since today. It's a massive improvement at least.
Is it though? Maybe Code S would be better if all these players were out
But then we'd only get one enjoyable day of squinting at Starcraft games filmed from dubious angles trying to figure out if MajOr is winning or losing against aLive.
On December 26 2017 17:28 pvsnp wrote: Inno is gonna be really lonely in the Ro32, isn't he?
Terrans qualifying at least tomorrow seems unavoidable.
Lol just realized that this is a 2 day qualifier. Since when was that a thing in GSL?
Since today. It's a massive improvement at least.
Is it though? Maybe Code S would be better if all these players were out
But then we'd only get one enjoyable day of squinting at Starcraft games filmed from dubious angles trying to figure out if MajOr is winning or losing against aLive.
On December 26 2017 17:28 pvsnp wrote: Inno is gonna be really lonely in the Ro32, isn't he?
Terrans qualifying at least tomorrow seems unavoidable.
Lol just realized that this is a 2 day qualifier. Since when was that a thing in GSL?
Since today. It's a massive improvement at least.
Is it though? Maybe Code S would be better if all these players were out
But then we'd only get one enjoyable day of squinting at Starcraft games filmed from dubious angles trying to figure out if MajOr is winning or losing against aLive.
The most dubious angles indeed.
It looks like Ascension so it's game two at least. I don't think I can analyze any more than that.
Zest is a real champion of the PvT balance cause losing series to Cure, Forte, and now aLive at opportune moments to try to convince people the match-up isn't broken.
On December 26 2017 18:41 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Zest is a real champion of the PvT balance cause losing series to Cure, Forte, and now aLive at opportune moments to try to convince people the match-up isn't broken.
Maybe he's just a sadist and from the start only wanted to play tomorrow when the qualifier is mostly Terrans.
On December 26 2017 18:56 Ej_ wrote: Just the usual suspects. I'll wait for a tier 2 player like Cure or ByuN to qualify (or even Maru).
ByuN qualifying would be a real surprise considering he didn't even show up. As for Cure it's not like he was able to qualify for the GSL even before the patch...
Cure beat Zest, did well and showed great games against Dark, Solar and Rogue, better than INno and Maru ( can they win against Impact ? ), but you still spit on him because he lost against the protoss player Dear ( just like 99.999% of the terrans ). Great.
Nice results so far! The day nearly done too. Maru struggled vs zerg it seemed damn Impact, but he has day 2 to play with which hopefully will be fine for him
Where's Lorning, his man CREATOR! Crushing his group and qualified
On December 26 2017 19:35 DieuCure wrote: Cure beat Zest, did well and showed great games against Dark, Solar and Rogue, better than INno and Maru ( can they win against Impact ? ), but you still spit on him because he lost against the protoss player Dear ( just like 99.999% of the terrans ). Great.
Inno only did better than Cure this month against every player you mentioned after Zest
On December 26 2017 19:41 Pandemona wrote: Nice results so far! The day nearly done too. Maru struggled vs zerg it seemed damn Impact, but he has day 2 to play with which hopefully will be fine for him
Where's Lorning, his man CREATOR! Crushing his group and qualified
People, who did not succeed today, can participate tomorrow?
On December 26 2017 19:41 Pandemona wrote: Nice results so far! The day nearly done too. Maru struggled vs zerg it seemed damn Impact, but he has day 2 to play with which hopefully will be fine for him
Where's Lorning, his man CREATOR! Crushing his group and qualified
People, who did not succeed today, can participate tomorrow?
Tomorrow is exclusively for people who didn't make it today.
On December 26 2017 19:41 Pandemona wrote: Nice results so far! The day nearly done too. Maru struggled vs zerg it seemed damn Impact, but he has day 2 to play with which hopefully will be fine for him
Where's Lorning, his man CREATOR! Crushing his group and qualified
People, who did not succeed today, can participate tomorrow?
Yes, tomorrow is a smaller tournament and if you didn't turn up day 1, you can't play day 2, so there isn't any players left to try and qualify apart from the ones who failed today. It is also a smaller tournament iirc as well.
On December 26 2017 19:41 Pandemona wrote: Nice results so far! The day nearly done too. Maru struggled vs zerg it seemed damn Impact, but he has day 2 to play with which hopefully will be fine for him
Where's Lorning, his man CREATOR! Crushing his group and qualified
People, who did not succeed today, can participate tomorrow?
Yes, tomorrow is a smaller tournament and if you didn't turn up day 1, you can't play day 2, so there isn't any players left to try and qualify apart from the ones who failed today. It is also a smaller tournament iirc as well.
Yeah it's not full double elim like today, only double elim for Ro4+ like in past GSL qualis.
On December 26 2017 19:41 Pandemona wrote: Nice results so far! The day nearly done too. Maru struggled vs zerg it seemed damn Impact, but he has day 2 to play with which hopefully will be fine for him
Where's Lorning, his man CREATOR! Crushing his group and qualified
People, who did not succeed today, can participate tomorrow?
Yes, tomorrow is a smaller tournament and if you didn't turn up day 1, you can't play day 2, so there isn't any players left to try and qualify apart from the ones who failed today. It is also a smaller tournament iirc as well.
Interesting ... woow ... so all the foreigners can try again? Even the Czech guy lol? :-) So where is Serral?
On December 26 2017 19:41 Pandemona wrote: Nice results so far! The day nearly done too. Maru struggled vs zerg it seemed damn Impact, but he has day 2 to play with which hopefully will be fine for him
Where's Lorning, his man CREATOR! Crushing his group and qualified
People, who did not succeed today, can participate tomorrow?
Yes, tomorrow is a smaller tournament and if you didn't turn up day 1, you can't play day 2, so there isn't any players left to try and qualify apart from the ones who failed today. It is also a smaller tournament iirc as well.
Interesting ... woow ... so all the foreigners can try again? Even the Czech guy lol? :-) So where is Serral?
On December 26 2017 19:41 Pandemona wrote: Nice results so far! The day nearly done too. Maru struggled vs zerg it seemed damn Impact, but he has day 2 to play with which hopefully will be fine for him
Where's Lorning, his man CREATOR! Crushing his group and qualified
People, who did not succeed today, can participate tomorrow?
Yes, tomorrow is a smaller tournament and if you didn't turn up day 1, you can't play day 2, so there isn't any players left to try and qualify apart from the ones who failed today. It is also a smaller tournament iirc as well.
Interesting ... woow ... so all the foreigners can try again? Even the Czech guy lol? :-) So where is Serral?
Not in Korea
OK, so we can cheer for Major tomorrow! So it will not be morning and afternoon, right?
On December 26 2017 19:41 Pandemona wrote: Nice results so far! The day nearly done too. Maru struggled vs zerg it seemed damn Impact, but he has day 2 to play with which hopefully will be fine for him
Where's Lorning, his man CREATOR! Crushing his group and qualified
People, who did not succeed today, can participate tomorrow?
Yes, tomorrow is a smaller tournament and if you didn't turn up day 1, you can't play day 2, so there isn't any players left to try and qualify apart from the ones who failed today. It is also a smaller tournament iirc as well.
Interesting ... woow ... so all the foreigners can try again? Even the Czech guy lol? :-) So where is Serral?
Not in Korea
OK, so we can cheer for Major tomorrow! So it will not be morning and afternoon, right?
16 people qualified today, so I assume it will still be divided into 8 groups with morning and afternoon session like today?
On December 26 2017 19:41 Pandemona wrote: Nice results so far! The day nearly done too. Maru struggled vs zerg it seemed damn Impact, but he has day 2 to play with which hopefully will be fine for him
Where's Lorning, his man CREATOR! Crushing his group and qualified
People, who did not succeed today, can participate tomorrow?
Yes, tomorrow is a smaller tournament and if you didn't turn up day 1, you can't play day 2, so there isn't any players left to try and qualify apart from the ones who failed today. It is also a smaller tournament iirc as well.
Interesting ... woow ... so all the foreigners can try again? Even the Czech guy lol? :-) So where is Serral?
Not in Korea
OK, so we can cheer for Major tomorrow! So it will not be morning and afternoon, right?
16 people qualified today, to I assume it will still be divided into 8 groups with morning and afternoon session like today?
Yes. NoRegreT said he already knew if he was playing morning or afternoon on stream.
On December 26 2017 21:49 DieuCure wrote: Yes but INnoVation isn't top 3.
I'd say being #1 means you're part of the top 3.
Based on the results only, TY is first, based on talent, Cure is number 1, TY 2 and Maru 3.
So I don't how you put INno #1
Probably because Inno has won twice as many big tournaments as TY, Cure, and Maru combined.
To be fair he doesn't have any in this patch. The only significant results so far are TY and Inno qualifying for GSL, and Maru qualifying for WeSG
There haven't been any big tournaments since 4.0 so I'm not sure how you can hold that against Inno (or any other player). They've all been holding qualifiers. As you say, there aren't many significant results at all, so judging based on past performance seems reasonable.
Either way, it's quite a stretch to say Inno is not in the Top 3.
On December 26 2017 21:49 DieuCure wrote: Yes but INnoVation isn't top 3.
I'd say being #1 means you're part of the top 3.
Based on the results only, TY is first, based on talent, Cure is number 1, TY 2 and Maru 3.
So I don't how you put INno #1
Probably because Inno has won twice as many big tournaments as TY, Cure, and Maru combined.
To be fair he doesn't have any in this patch. The only significant results so far are TY and Inno qualifying for GSL, and Maru qualifying for WeSG
Either way, it's quite a stretch to say Inno is not in the Top 3.
Unless you place Inno of the map purely based of the fact terran is underpowered rn lol
If you put Inno off the map because of that though, considering Inno was the only Terran who won his group today (and it was arguably the hardest one at that), where do you even put everyone else?
On December 26 2017 21:49 DieuCure wrote: Yes but INnoVation isn't top 3.
I'd say being #1 means you're part of the top 3.
Based on the results only, TY is first, based on talent, Cure is number 1, TY 2 and Maru 3.
So I don't how you put INno #1
Probably because Inno has won twice as many big tournaments as TY, Cure, and Maru combined.
To be fair he doesn't have any in this patch. The only significant results so far are TY and Inno qualifying for GSL, and Maru qualifying for WeSG
Either way, it's quite a stretch to say Inno is not in the Top 3.
Unless you place Inno of the map purely based of the fact terran is underpowered rn lol
Original context was "top 3 Terran," and my usage of "Top 3" was referring to that
On December 26 2017 20:45 DieuCure wrote: I'm glad a top 3 Terran won 2-1 against a retired player
There is a legitimate argument for Inno not being Top 3 overall–I would put him around Top 5-10 myself–but not Top 3 Terran is a big stretch. Claiming that some of Rogue, Dark, herO, Zest, or Stats are currently stronger than Inno is perfectly reasonable.
On December 26 2017 21:49 DieuCure wrote: Yes but INnoVation isn't top 3.
I'd say being #1 means you're part of the top 3.
Based on the results only, TY is first, based on talent, Cure is number 1, TY 2 and Maru 3.
So I don't how you put INno #1
Probably because Inno has won twice as many big tournaments as TY, Cure, and Maru combined.
To be fair he doesn't have any in this patch. The only significant results so far are TY and Inno qualifying for GSL, and Maru qualifying for WeSG
Either way, it's quite a stretch to say Inno is not in the Top 3.
Unless you place Inno of the map purely based of the fact terran is underpowered rn lol
Original context was "top 3 Terran," and my usage of "Top 3" was referring to that
Lol I know I meant because Inno has a history of falling of the map when terran is underpowered. Even compared to other terrans he seems to perform badly
On December 27 2017 13:39 Inflicted wrote: MyuNgSiK's back again
aaaaaaaaannnnnd he's already gone
Byul seems to be a no show, Symbol is also out, so his Maka. Edit : Brackets say Ryung is out to but him and Byul had a by first round so I think it's just a mistake
That 48 degree thing is from last night's onpoong show, ultimate whining show with herO for the guest. He insisted having been having fever or something after losing 1-2 to Dark in off-race PvZ match, and one of the casters said "Oh, he's almost 48 degree or something"
On December 27 2017 13:48 egernya wrote: That 48 degree thing is from last night's onpoong show, ultimate whining show with herO for the guest. He insisted having been having fever or something after losing 1-2 to Dark in off-race PvZ match, and one of the casters said "Oh, he's almost 48 degree or something"
They really shouldn't make brackets before players check in. Group B should not happen when half the other groups have half the better players no showing.
On December 27 2017 13:51 Boggyb wrote: They really shouldn't make brackets before players check in. Group B should not happen when half the other groups have half the better players no showing.
The brackets are released after check-in so I dunno why they don't remake it
On December 27 2017 13:48 egernya wrote: That 48 degree thing is from last night's onpoong show, ultimate whining show with herO for the guest. He insisted having been having fever or something after losing 1-2 to Dark in off-race PvZ match, and one of the casters said "Oh, he's almost 48 degree or something"
How good was his whining?
as good as innovation, but with fairer logics, only whining for PvZ
On December 27 2017 13:51 Boggyb wrote: They really shouldn't make brackets before players check in. Group B should not happen when half the other groups have half the better players no showing.
The brackets are released after check-in so I dunno why they don't remake it
The no show in the brackets were just mistake I think everyone is in now, at least Byul, Ryung and Hurricane seems to be there
On December 27 2017 13:51 Boggyb wrote: They really shouldn't make brackets before players check in. Group B should not happen when half the other groups have half the better players no showing.
The brackets are released after check-in so I dunno why they don't remake it
The no show in the brackets were just mistake I think everyone is in now, at least Byul, Ryung and Hurricane seems to be there
Yeah. Looks like they've fixed the brackets. That makes a lot more sense.
On December 27 2017 14:43 ZigguratOfUr wrote: NoRegreT 2-1 Patience
What on earth...
I assume the Protoss players just don't know who he is. That's how he downed Trap the first time yesterday.
Nah Patience knows NoRegreT decently well (in fact I think Patience is going to move into the foreign house soon), which makes it all the more puzzling.
On December 27 2017 14:43 ZigguratOfUr wrote: NoRegreT 2-1 Patience
What on earth...
I assume the Protoss players just don't know who he is. That's how he downed Trap the first time yesterday.
Patience 100% knows who NoRegreT is lol. Zerg all ins are just really strong atm we legit saw Scarlett all in neeb most of her games and have alot of success and its not like Neeb didn't know about these builds they just strong
On December 27 2017 14:43 ZigguratOfUr wrote: NoRegreT 2-1 Patience
What on earth...
I assume the Protoss players just don't know who he is. That's how he downed Trap the first time yesterday.
Patience 100% knows who NoRegreT is lol. Zerg all ins are just really strong atm we legit saw Scarlett all in neeb most of her games and have alot of success and its not like Neeb didn't know about these builds they just strong
Fail
Tbf Scarlett just seems to have Neeb's number--regardless of the patch.
On December 27 2017 14:43 ZigguratOfUr wrote: NoRegreT 2-1 Patience
What on earth...
I assume the Protoss players just don't know who he is. That's how he downed Trap the first time yesterday.
Patience 100% knows who NoRegreT is lol. Zerg all ins are just really strong atm we legit saw Scarlett all in neeb most of her games and have alot of success and its not like Neeb didn't know about these builds they just strong
Fail
Tbf Scarlett just seems to have Neeb's number--regardless of the patch.
Neeb's number is 1-800-Cheese-me, if that's the case
On December 27 2017 14:43 ZigguratOfUr wrote: NoRegreT 2-1 Patience
What on earth...
I assume the Protoss players just don't know who he is. That's how he downed Trap the first time yesterday.
Patience 100% knows who NoRegreT is lol. Zerg all ins are just really strong atm we legit saw Scarlett all in neeb most of her games and have alot of success and its not like Neeb didn't know about these builds they just strong
Fail
Tbf Scarlett just seems to have Neeb's number--regardless of the patch.
Neeb's number is 1-800-Cheese-me, if that's the case
On December 27 2017 14:43 ZigguratOfUr wrote: NoRegreT 2-1 Patience
What on earth...
I assume the Protoss players just don't know who he is. That's how he downed Trap the first time yesterday.
Patience 100% knows who NoRegreT is lol. Zerg all ins are just really strong atm we legit saw Scarlett all in neeb most of her games and have alot of success and its not like Neeb didn't know about these builds they just strong
Fail
Tbf Scarlett just seems to have Neeb's number--regardless of the patch.
Except for the part where neeb won 6 times in a row against her before the last patch, before losing that bizarre off-race series.
Since the patch, though, I think it's less the all-ins and more PvZ not being as figured out (before this patch, protosses were doing extremely well with mass oracles and the various chargelot archon immo builds) + Sasha just being really sick at the mind games and execution. Wish we could've seen those Noregret games though
On December 27 2017 14:43 ZigguratOfUr wrote: NoRegreT 2-1 Patience
What on earth...
I assume the Protoss players just don't know who he is. That's how he downed Trap the first time yesterday.
Patience 100% knows who NoRegreT is lol. Zerg all ins are just really strong atm we legit saw Scarlett all in neeb most of her games and have alot of success and its not like Neeb didn't know about these builds they just strong
Fail
Tbf Scarlett just seems to have Neeb's number--regardless of the patch.
Neeb's number is 1-800-Cheese-me, if that's the case
aoO and Rogue had no problem dialing at Blizzcon.
kinda sad but true ^^ scarlett is ahead in series 17-15 vs neeb while he has a 63-60 game advantage. they overall kinda trade series', but scarlett won their last 3 encounters (neeb won 5 in a row before that, scarlett won 4/5 before that etc,). either way, claiming that zerg cheese is very strong with neeb losing to it as example is a pretty pointless claim^^ furthermore generally complaining about something without actually having seen what and how it happened (talking about noregratz vs patience) is even more pointless
On December 27 2017 14:43 ZigguratOfUr wrote: NoRegreT 2-1 Patience
What on earth...
I assume the Protoss players just don't know who he is. That's how he downed Trap the first time yesterday.
Patience 100% knows who NoRegreT is lol. Zerg all ins are just really strong atm we legit saw Scarlett all in neeb most of her games and have alot of success and its not like Neeb didn't know about these builds they just strong
Fail
Tbf Scarlett just seems to have Neeb's number--regardless of the patch.
Neeb's number is 1-800-Cheese-me, if that's the case
aoO and Rogue had no problem dialing at Blizzcon.
kinda sad but true ^^ scarlett is ahead in series 17-15 vs neeb while he has a 63-60 game advantage. they overall kinda trade series', but scarlett won their last 3 encounters (neeb won 5 in a row before that, scarlett won 4/5 before that etc,). either way, claiming that zerg cheese is very strong with neeb losing to it as example is a pretty pointless claim^^ furthermore generally complaining about something without actually having seen what and how it happened (talking about noregratz vs patience) is even more pointless
We did see NoRegreT vs Trap and the games he won were a 16/16 ling flood, and a baneling bust. Besides it's NoRegreT so it's obviously going to be Zerg cheddar.
On December 27 2017 14:43 ZigguratOfUr wrote: NoRegreT 2-1 Patience
What on earth...
I assume the Protoss players just don't know who he is. That's how he downed Trap the first time yesterday.
Patience 100% knows who NoRegreT is lol. Zerg all ins are just really strong atm we legit saw Scarlett all in neeb most of her games and have alot of success and its not like Neeb didn't know about these builds they just strong
Fail
Tbf Scarlett just seems to have Neeb's number--regardless of the patch.
Neeb's number is 1-800-Cheese-me, if that's the case
aoO and Rogue had no problem dialing at Blizzcon.
kinda sad but true ^^ scarlett is ahead in series 17-15 vs neeb while he has a 63-60 game advantage. they overall kinda trade series', but scarlett won their last 3 encounters (neeb won 5 in a row before that, scarlett won 4/5 before that etc,). either way, claiming that zerg cheese is very strong with neeb losing to it as example is a pretty pointless claim^^ furthermore generally complaining about something without actually having seen what and how it happened (talking about noregratz vs patience) is even more pointless
We did see NoRegreT vs Trap and the games he won were a 16/16 ling flood, and a baneling bust. Besides it's NoRegreT so it's obviously going to be Zerg cheddar.
edit: Also Has going for disruptors...
yeah but didnt trap like not wall vs 1 base zerg or something like that!? i dont think either of those builds is very / too strong and without having seen how patience lost i am not willing to accept that someone complains about the strength of zerg cheese^^
On December 27 2017 15:21 Alarak89 wrote: Some of these Code A games are really unnecessarily time-consuming.
Do they really take so long? I assumed that it was just reporting delay.
Don't think so. The games that we saw streamed were reported near instantaneously. Now the question is why DnS is manifestly channeling the spirit of Thorzain
On December 27 2017 15:21 Alarak89 wrote: Some of these Code A games are really unnecessarily time-consuming.
Do they really take so long? I assumed that it was just reporting delay.
Don't think so. The games that we saw streamed were reported near instantaneously. Now the question is why DnS is manifestly channeling the spirit of Thorzain
Well damn, in that case some of these guys really like to take their sweet time.
On December 27 2017 15:21 Alarak89 wrote: Some of these Code A games are really unnecessarily time-consuming.
Do they really take so long? I assumed that it was just reporting delay.
Don't think so. The games that we saw streamed were reported near instantaneously. Now the question is why DnS is manifestly channeling the spirit of Thorzain
Well damn, in that case some of these guys really like to take their sweet time.
Well the games don't necessarily start immediately. Maybe one of the players took a break.
On December 27 2017 15:21 Alarak89 wrote: Some of these Code A games are really unnecessarily time-consuming.
Do they really take so long? I assumed that it was just reporting delay.
Don't think so. The games that we saw streamed were reported near instantaneously. Now the question is why DnS is manifestly channeling the spirit of Thorzain
Well damn, in that case some of these guys really like to take their sweet time.
Well the games don't necessarily start immediately. Maybe one of the players took a break.
Plus this is your career direction for the next three or so months, you may as well take your time and play at your own pace. No sense in rushing
On December 27 2017 15:21 Alarak89 wrote: Some of these Code A games are really unnecessarily time-consuming.
Do they really take so long? I assumed that it was just reporting delay.
Don't think so. The games that we saw streamed were reported near instantaneously. Now the question is why DnS is manifestly channeling the spirit of Thorzain
Well damn, in that case some of these guys really like to take their sweet time.
Well the games don't necessarily start immediately. Maybe one of the players took a break.
On December 27 2017 15:36 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Cannon rushing NoRegreT is pretty smart I think, since like that you have cannons to hold off the ling flood.
If it comes to a macro game somehow... who's better? NoRegreT because of ling/bane/hydra I think?
I would say Has is the stronger player overall. He does have some decent WCS results after all. But with the amount of bullshit in that series anyone could take it.
On December 27 2017 15:36 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Cannon rushing NoRegreT is pretty smart I think, since like that you have cannons to hold off the ling flood.
If it comes to a macro game somehow... who's better? NoRegreT because of ling/bane/hydra I think?
Has is pretty good at macro PvZ, his macro PvT is the awful one
On December 27 2017 15:53 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: NoRegret can out-bullshit Has, this should be expected
Canada confirmed 2-best GSL Country
He plays the better race in the match-up obviously. This is incontrovertible evidence that ZvP is broken just like DnS defeating TY proved the same for PvT.
I think what plays in favor of NoRegret is that probably a lot of players underestimate him and his style, or maybe he's just a macro god and we never knew it.
On December 27 2017 15:57 gerardo19908 wrote: I think what plays in favor of NoRegret is that probably a lot of players underestimate him and his style, or maybe he's just a macro god and we never knew it.
I've watched his stream before.
Either he's playing the craziest 5d chess ever, or he is not a macro god in even the loosest sense of the term
On December 27 2017 15:57 gerardo19908 wrote: I think what plays in favor of NoRegret is that probably a lot of players underestimate him and his style, or maybe he's just a macro god and we never knew it.
On December 27 2017 15:54 VengefulTree wrote: Losing his gear gave him a sense of destiny/desperation and/or purpose?
Or he's just a code S level Zerg now...somehow
Quite a shit level we've come down to.
On December 27 2017 15:57 gerardo19908 wrote: I think what plays in favor of NoRegret is that probably a lot of players underestimate him and his style, or maybe he's just a macro god and we never knew it.
Based on the macro game against Trap yesterday he's no god in it suddenly.
Wooow, it looks like an interesting code S this year with all the foreigners ... By the way, Cure has got a chance as BurlaCzech did not come to revenge his yesterday's loss ...
On December 27 2017 16:59 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I told ya'll, Canada is the second best Starcraft nation right now. 2 Code S players ain't nothin to scoff at, other foreigners can't even make it in
All they have to do is annex Sweden and they'll have all the best foreigners, past and present, aside from Stephano.
On December 27 2017 16:47 Inflicted wrote: KeeN 2-1 SpeCial & qualifies
noregret and sortof get in and major stays out
what a time to be alive rofl
And DnS, who is arguably on par with special, loses to hurricane after having beat TY yesterday
I mean he did lose to Gamja yesterday also.
On December 27 2017 17:06 pvsnp wrote: Are Noregret and Sortof the next Zerg bonjwas?!
No.
On December 27 2017 16:59 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I told ya'll, Canada is the second best Starcraft nation right now. 2 Code S players ain't nothin to scoff at, other foreigners can't even make it in
It kinda is tho these days considering their results outside the Code S qualifiers.
On December 27 2017 17:33 Elentos wrote: Nothing against Bergman btw but it would have been more interesting if Rookie qualified. Mostly cause most people have no idea what he looks like.
On December 27 2017 17:33 Elentos wrote: Nothing against Bergman btw but it would have been more interesting if Rookie qualified. Mostly cause most people have no idea what he looks like.
Greedy retired players like Leenock and Byul plus foreigners like Sortof ( yes he ruined Rookie's life to be 0-4ed then and compete in WCS anyway ), or cheesers like NoRegrets are ruining the scene, the bracket are disturbed because of them, all of the same race curiously.
Or even better, those who avoid the rules because it's really nice to see someone crying when he loses ...
On December 27 2017 18:14 DieuCure wrote: It's really bad.
Greedy retired players like Leenock and Byul plus foreigners like Sortof ( yes he ruined Rookie's life to be 0-4ed then and compete in WCS anyway ), or cheesers like NoRegrets are ruining the scene, the bracket are disturbed because of them, all of the same race curiously.
Or even better, those who avoid the rules because it's really nice to see someone crying when he loses ...
It's absurd.
Uh huh. Your excuses sounded better when Cure lost to Solar and Dear rather than Billowy and Losira.
On December 27 2017 18:14 DieuCure wrote: It's really bad.
Greedy retired players like Leenock and Byul plus foreigners like Sortof ( yes he ruined Rookie's life to be 0-4ed then and compete in WCS anyway ), or cheesers like NoRegrets are ruining the scene, the bracket are disturbed because of them, all of the same race curiously.
Or even better, those who avoid the rules because it's really nice to see someone crying when he loses ...
On December 27 2017 18:14 DieuCure wrote: It's really bad.
Greedy retired players like Leenock and Byul plus foreigners like Sortof ( yes he ruined Rookie's life to be 0-4ed then and compete in WCS anyway ), or cheesers like NoRegrets are ruining the scene, the bracket are disturbed because of them, all of the same race curiously.
Or even better, those who avoid the rules because it's really nice to see someone crying when he loses ...
Cure did fine however in the qualifiers. He has beaten BurlaCzech yesterday and how many Code S players have accomplished such a success to beat a player from the Czech Republic? Congratulations!
I too am sad about Special. I've been out of the loop lately, I think: what's the deal with Cure? What has he done that has people feeling like he's leveled up? Also, I know this is a kind of dangerous question, but is there a general feeling that Zergs have an edge in the current meta?
On December 27 2017 22:44 neutralrobot wrote: I too am sad about Special. I've been out of the loop lately, I think: what's the deal with Cure? What has he done that has people feeling like he's leveled up? Also, I know this is a kind of dangerous question, but is there a general feeling that Zergs have an edge in the current meta?
no not really. there's a really big fan of Cure that browses these forums though. Yes some would argue that zerg has an edge, but you're right its a dangerous question.
On December 27 2017 18:14 DieuCure wrote: It's really bad.
Greedy retired players like Leenock and Byul plus foreigners like Sortof ( yes he ruined Rookie's life to be 0-4ed then and compete in WCS anyway ), or cheesers like NoRegrets are ruining the scene, the bracket are disturbed because of them, all of the same race curiously.
Or even better, those who avoid the rules because it's really nice to see someone crying when he loses ...
EPT
Ascension To Aiur 
HHs in GSL hype
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Patience 2-1 
Losira 2-0 
Prince
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