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* = ace. Last player on team can be chosen from the entire lineup, even if the player was eliminated before. ♠ = joker. Player that is not part of the team's regular roster. Only one joker can be chosen per season who is eligible to play the entire duration of the season.
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Poll: Head: Who do you think will win?Team Liquid (23) 82% Quantic Gaming (5) 18% 28 total votes Your vote: Head: Who do you think will win? (Vote): Team Liquid (Vote): Quantic Gaming
Poll: Heart: Who do you want to win?Team Liquid (22) 81% Quantic Gaming (5) 19% 27 total votes Your vote: Heart: Who do you want to win? (Vote): Team Liquid (Vote): Quantic Gaming
Poll: Head: Who do you think will qualify for the playoffs?mousesports (18) 53% Team Liquid (10) 29% Millenium (4) 12% Quantic Gaming (2) 6% 34 total votes Your vote: Head: Who do you think will qualify for the playoffs? (Vote): Team Liquid (Vote): Quantic Gaming (Vote): mousesports (Vote): Millenium
Poll: Heart: Who do you want to qualify for the playoffs?mousesports (18) 37% Team Liquid (17) 35% Millenium (10) 20% Quantic Gaming (4) 8% 49 total votes Your vote: Heart: Who do you want to qualify for the playoffs? (Vote): Team Liquid (Vote): Quantic Gaming (Vote): mousesports (Vote): Millenium
Who qualifies?
IF Quantic wins => Quantic qualifies ELSE IF Millenium wins 10-0 or 10-1 in their last two clanwars => Millenium qualifies ELSE IF Team Liquid wins 5-0 => Team Liquid qualifies ELSE IF Millenium wins 10-2 in their last two clanwars => Millenium qualifies ELSE => mousesports qualifies
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Taeja will almost 100% be put as the starter. If he doesn't all kill, Liquid is done. It's crazy how much pressure there is on this kid.
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your Country52793 Posts
It's time for Team Taeja!
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On November 22 2013 02:38 Bagration wrote: Taeja will almost 100% be put as the starter. If he doesn't all kill, Liquid is done. It's crazy how much pressure there is on this kid. The Team TaeJa meme didn't create itself.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IPL_Team_Arena_Challenge/3/Statistics
Includes all-kills of Prime and IM as well as 4-kills of StarTale and SlayerS...
And this is when Prime, StarTale, and SlayerS were getting to the finals of the GSTL... and IM sending out their good players instead of sending out the B-team.
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United Kingdom31934 Posts
I dont care who the hell gets through cause acer is winning this atc but QUANTIC CAN NOT QUALIFY
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I hope Mouz will qualify.
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United Kingdom31934 Posts
Whoever is voting for Quantic is killing esports
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Liquid pls win with everything but 5-0 ok?
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On November 22 2013 03:22 NovaMB wrote: Liquid pls win with everything but 5-0 ok?
Probably the most likely scenario.
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United Kingdom31934 Posts
Just dont let Quantic win liquid!
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On November 22 2013 02:38 Bagration wrote: Taeja will almost 100% be put as the starter. If he doesn't all kill, Liquid is done. It's crazy how much pressure there is on this kid.
Doubt there's that much pressure on taeja. More likely there's pressure on the rest for not being as good as taeja!
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United Kingdom31934 Posts
I will actually forgive liquid for beating Acer in that one final I dont like to recall if they beat Quantic
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Being the sole HyuNtic supporter here, but because of Red Bull Battlegrounds, I don't feel HyuN is going to really be playing as focused as he could be. Probably going to end in Liquid's favor fairly one-sidedly unless Liquid doesn't step it up or HyuN just decides to play like a beast.
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Come on Hyun, beat Taeja once. Only once though!
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liquid vs quantic, mouz to win
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Time for Team TaeJa! Hwaiting!
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Quantic can't use "TaejaSlayer" also known as elfi? :D
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On November 22 2013 02:48 Elite_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 02:38 Bagration wrote: Taeja will almost 100% be put as the starter. If he doesn't all kill, Liquid is done. It's crazy how much pressure there is on this kid. The Team TaeJa meme didn't create itself. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IPL_Team_Arena_Challenge/3/StatisticsIncludes all-kills of Prime and IM as well as 4-kills of StarTale and SlayerS... And this is when Prime, StarTale, and SlayerS were getting to the finals of the GSTL... and IM sending out their good players instead of sending out the B-team.
The IPLTAC3 was the first SC2 thing I ever watched, and remains to date my favorite event I've seen. Also pretty much the main reason TaeJa is my favorite player.
Go TeamTaeJa!!!!
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Teamliquid game plan for today: 1. Sacrifice goat. 2. Send out Taeja 3. Pray that the gods of esports are not only smiling but throwing buckets of pure win around.
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On November 22 2013 17:44 HeadlessWonder wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 02:48 Elite_ wrote:On November 22 2013 02:38 Bagration wrote: Taeja will almost 100% be put as the starter. If he doesn't all kill, Liquid is done. It's crazy how much pressure there is on this kid. The Team TaeJa meme didn't create itself. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IPL_Team_Arena_Challenge/3/StatisticsIncludes all-kills of Prime and IM as well as 4-kills of StarTale and SlayerS... And this is when Prime, StarTale, and SlayerS were getting to the finals of the GSTL... and IM sending out their good players instead of sending out the B-team. The IPLTAC3 was the first SC2 thing I ever watched, and remains to date my favorite event I've seen. Also pretty much the main reason TaeJa is my favorite player. Go TeamTaeJa!!!! So true... the level of dominance he reached during that tournament is unparalleled in my opinion.
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So.. Taeja has to 5-0 Quantic? That is probably close to impossible considering he has to beat Hyun twice + 3 other players.. But well, if Vortix can do it why shouldnt be Taeja able to do it?
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On November 22 2013 18:55 BlackCompany wrote: So.. Taeja has to 5-0 Quantic? That is probably close to impossible considering he has to beat Hyun twice + 3 other players.. But well, if Vortix can do it why shouldnt be Taeja able to do it?
The only player who on paper could threaten Taeja is Hyun... and he 4-0d Hyun a week ago. Nobody else even comes close to being a threat if Taeja perfoms. Still going to be hard as hell but it definitely is not impossible.
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Everyone expects Taeja to come out as the sweeper Quantic is prepared for the Taeja and TL can't afford to lose one single map Well surprise motherfuckers Out comes Sheth Team league Sheth
..and then in the fifth game he falls to Hwangsin who with that win decides to end his career. His last words were "you were right, Gretorp". TL 5-1 Quantic. Both are out.
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On November 22 2013 20:32 AlternativeEgo wrote: Everyone expects Taeja to come out as the sweeper Quantic is prepared for the Taeja and TL can't afford to lose one single map Well surprise motherfuckers Out comes Sheth Team league Sheth
..and then in the fifth game he falls to Hwangsin who with that win decides to end his career. His last words were "you were right, Gretorp". TL 5-1 Quantic. Both are out.
Although I'm rooting for a 5-0 TaeJa, this would also be acceptable :D
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United States252 Posts
On November 22 2013 20:32 AlternativeEgo wrote: Everyone expects Taeja to come out as the sweeper Quantic is prepared for the Taeja and TL can't afford to lose one single map Well surprise motherfuckers Out comes Sheth Team league Sheth
..and then in the fifth game he falls to Hwangsin who with that win decides to end his career. His last words were "you were right, Gretorp". TL 5-1 Quantic. Both are out.
No you mean Sheth all kills, retires, and rides off into the sunset the hero we deserved.
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United States97245 Posts
I definitely don't think the 5-0 is out of the question because the rest of Quantic's roster is pretty weak. We all know it's possible for TaeJa to string at least 2 wins in a row together against HyuN
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On November 22 2013 02:48 Elite_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 02:38 Bagration wrote: Taeja will almost 100% be put as the starter. If he doesn't all kill, Liquid is done. It's crazy how much pressure there is on this kid. The Team TaeJa meme didn't create itself. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IPL_Team_Arena_Challenge/3/StatisticsIncludes all-kills of Prime and IM as well as 4-kills of StarTale and SlayerS... And this is when Prime, StarTale, and SlayerS were getting to the finals of the GSTL... and IM sending out their good players instead of sending out the B-team.
I knew Taeja was carrying TL on his own at iptl, but I hadn't thought the records would be so insane... 23-3 rofl...
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After see GTSL today, which 3 terran beaten by zerg. i think hyun still have big chance to win against Taeja :D
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On November 22 2013 21:01 mongmong wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 02:48 Elite_ wrote:On November 22 2013 02:38 Bagration wrote: Taeja will almost 100% be put as the starter. If he doesn't all kill, Liquid is done. It's crazy how much pressure there is on this kid. The Team TaeJa meme didn't create itself. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IPL_Team_Arena_Challenge/3/StatisticsIncludes all-kills of Prime and IM as well as 4-kills of StarTale and SlayerS... And this is when Prime, StarTale, and SlayerS were getting to the finals of the GSTL... and IM sending out their good players instead of sending out the B-team. I knew Taeja was carrying TL on his own at iptl, but I hadn't thought the records would be so insane... 23-3 rofl... I still remember a comment about the final... TaeJa loses to IM 7-1
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reminder: you're not allowed to cheer against Team Liquid
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Austria24413 Posts
On November 22 2013 21:22 Nightwishone wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 21:01 mongmong wrote:On November 22 2013 02:48 Elite_ wrote:On November 22 2013 02:38 Bagration wrote: Taeja will almost 100% be put as the starter. If he doesn't all kill, Liquid is done. It's crazy how much pressure there is on this kid. The Team TaeJa meme didn't create itself. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IPL_Team_Arena_Challenge/3/StatisticsIncludes all-kills of Prime and IM as well as 4-kills of StarTale and SlayerS... And this is when Prime, StarTale, and SlayerS were getting to the finals of the GSTL... and IM sending out their good players instead of sending out the B-team. I knew Taeja was carrying TL on his own at iptl, but I hadn't thought the records would be so insane... 23-3 rofl... I still remember a comment about the final... TaeJa loses to IM 7-1
Seed was much like Mourinho. A special one.
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On November 22 2013 03:22 NovaMB wrote: Liquid pls win with everything but 5-0 ok?
i will cheer for Quantic to take 1 map and than i cheer for Liquid, okay?
That how u cheer for Mousesports!
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On November 22 2013 21:26 atrox_ wrote: reminder: you're not allowed to cheer against Team Liquid
No, you got that wrong: first you cheer for Quantic, but only until they get their first point. Afterwards, you cheer for Liquid for them to take the whole thing.
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It's going to be 4-0 (TaeJa) into 4-4 (HyuN) for maximum heart attack risk for mouz/Millenium fans.
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On November 22 2013 21:26 atrox_ wrote: reminder: you're not allowed to cheer against Team Liquid I would never dream of it. I am hoping for a crushing 5-1 victory in favour of liquid.
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France7248 Posts
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Russian Federation40169 Posts
On November 22 2013 23:28 Squat wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 21:26 atrox_ wrote: reminder: you're not allowed to cheer against Team Liquid I would never dream of it. I am hoping for a crushing 5-1 victory in favour of liquid. Spoken like a true fan... of mouz.
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Taeja is even praying in the picture, how apt.
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can't even remember who else is on Quantic other than hyun :X
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On November 23 2013 00:11 ETisME wrote: can't even remember who else is on Quantic other than hyun :X HyuN
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On November 23 2013 00:16 Boucot wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 00:11 ETisME wrote: can't even remember who else is on Quantic other than hyun :X HyuN HwangSin (retires today though, so its back to only HyuN)
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On November 23 2013 00:16 Boucot wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 00:11 ETisME wrote: can't even remember who else is on Quantic other than hyun :X HyuN and hyunstopable
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On November 23 2013 00:11 ETisME wrote: can't even remember who else is on Quantic other than hyun :X Piratezerg, Mustachezerg, Sunglasseszerg are all great players on Quantic.
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Russian Federation40169 Posts
On November 23 2013 00:18 Squat wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 00:11 ETisME wrote: can't even remember who else is on Quantic other than hyun :X Piratezerg, Mustachezerg, Sunglasseszerg are all great players on Quantic. Spiderhyun too!
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On November 23 2013 00:18 Squat wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 00:11 ETisME wrote: can't even remember who else is on Quantic other than hyun :X Piratezerg, Mustachezerg, Sunglasseszerg are all great players on Quantic.
I thought it was only Zergpants
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The best scenario would be if Taeja beats Hyun and then loses to Hwangsin, only for Liquid to come back afterwards. Mouz gets to advance, Hwangsin gets an incredible victory in his last game... everybody wins! :D
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Austria24413 Posts
Imagine if Taeja loses, gets revived and then all kills. How mad would he be? I'd be pretty mad
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Russian Federation40169 Posts
On November 23 2013 00:20 JustPassingBy wrote: The best scenario would be if Taeja beats Hyun and then loses to Hwangsin, only for Liquid to come back afterwards. Mouz gets to advance, Hwangsin gets an incredible victory in his last game... everybody wins! :D And then Millenium pulls a Sniper and qualifies anyways :D
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Russian Federation40169 Posts
On November 23 2013 00:20 DarkLordOlli wrote: Imagine if Taeja loses, gets revived ane then all kills. How mad would he be? I'd be pretty mad Because HerO would lose?
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Austria24413 Posts
On November 23 2013 00:21 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 00:20 DarkLordOlli wrote: Imagine if Taeja loses, gets revived ane then all kills. How mad would he be? I'd be pretty mad Because HerO would lose?
No, revived straight away.
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On November 23 2013 00:21 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 00:20 DarkLordOlli wrote: Imagine if Taeja loses, gets revived ane then all kills. How mad would he be? I'd be pretty mad Because HerO would lose? Quantic has a Protoss, ofc HerO would lose
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On November 23 2013 00:21 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 00:20 DarkLordOlli wrote: Imagine if Taeja loses, gets revived ane then all kills. How mad would he be? I'd be pretty mad Because HerO would lose? i thought you two were the same person xD fml
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France7248 Posts
On November 23 2013 00:22 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 00:21 lolfail9001 wrote:On November 23 2013 00:20 DarkLordOlli wrote: Imagine if Taeja loses, gets revived ane then all kills. How mad would he be? I'd be pretty mad Because HerO would lose? No, revived straight away. can't happen
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On November 23 2013 00:20 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 00:20 JustPassingBy wrote: The best scenario would be if Taeja beats Hyun and then loses to Hwangsin, only for Liquid to come back afterwards. Mouz gets to advance, Hwangsin gets an incredible victory in his last game... everybody wins! :D And then Millenium pulls a Sniper and qualifies anyways :D Millenium can´t "pull a Sniper", the´re also a well liked team in community. Personally I´d say, they are my second favorite option to qualify after Mouz.
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Russian Federation40169 Posts
On November 23 2013 00:23 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 00:20 lolfail9001 wrote:On November 23 2013 00:20 JustPassingBy wrote: The best scenario would be if Taeja beats Hyun and then loses to Hwangsin, only for Liquid to come back afterwards. Mouz gets to advance, Hwangsin gets an incredible victory in his last game... everybody wins! :D And then Millenium pulls a Sniper and qualifies anyways :D Millenium can´t "pull a Sniper", the´re also a well liked team in community. Personally I´d say, they are my second favorite option to qualify after Mouz. I am fan of Sniper too ^_^ Okay, i guess Liquid qualifies. TaeJa is on form.
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Well thats a promising start. Go TaeJa (until 4-0)
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oh god Taeja.... so good T.T
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Wtf Hyun, what is that bank???
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On November 23 2013 00:27 JustPassingBy wrote: Wtf Hyun, what is that bank??? No time to build Mutalisks, he had to waste his money on Zerglings and Banelings and had no minerals for Mutas after that
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wow, hyun must learn from ragnarok how to beat Terran bio :D
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On November 23 2013 00:27 NovaMB wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 00:27 JustPassingBy wrote: Wtf Hyun, what is that bank??? No time to build Mutalisks, he had to waste his money on Zerglings and Banelings and had no minerals for Mutas
But his mineral count was always well above 700-800 and only went down to 400 when he started trickling zerglings into his opponents army at the very end... Also why was this game played on EU to begin with?
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It was because Taeja knew exactly how Hyun plays, an early push against the forth will force the zerg into a brag out brawl before he is ready, Hyun.needed like another minute there.
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France7248 Posts
On November 23 2013 00:31 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 00:27 NovaMB wrote:On November 23 2013 00:27 JustPassingBy wrote: Wtf Hyun, what is that bank??? No time to build Mutalisks, he had to waste his money on Zerglings and Banelings and had no minerals for Mutas But his mineral count was always well above 700-800 and only went down to 400 when he started trickling zerglings into his opponents army at the very end... Also why was this game played on EU to begin with? TaeJa is at TL HQ in NL and HyuN is in New York for RedBull (I think he is there already?)
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Nazgul must be giving Taeja some massage and hot soup
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On November 23 2013 00:31 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 00:27 NovaMB wrote:On November 23 2013 00:27 JustPassingBy wrote: Wtf Hyun, what is that bank??? No time to build Mutalisks, he had to waste his money on Zerglings and Banelings and had no minerals for Mutas But his mineral count was always well above 700-800 and only went down to 400 when he started trickling zerglings into his opponents army at the very end... Also why was this game played on EU to begin with? He spent all his larvae on emergency lings and banelings. You have to stockpile larvae for the mutas to work, trickling in 2-3 does nothing. Taeja never game him the time or space
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Gamja delaying mutas too long, Taeja will turn on the parade push and overwhelm the third shortly
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I think they need to throw Protoss at Taeja and cheese him. He is too stronk.
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On November 23 2013 00:47 Musicus wrote: I think they need to throw Protoss at Taeja and cheese him. He is too stronk.
You can also cheese as a zerg, like a baneling bust or a roach bust, not sure why Gamja decided to play it lategame. Maybe it is to tire Taeja out?
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all in him until huyn appears in the final game is best strategy
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Uch, dat TaeJa's missclick.
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Taeja played this one like he smoked weed :D
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Gamja comported himself pretty well, he just played against a superior opponent.
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Quick Taeja! take as much rest as you can!!
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On November 23 2013 00:49 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 00:47 Musicus wrote: I think they need to throw Protoss at Taeja and cheese him. He is too stronk. You can also cheese as a zerg, like a baneling bust or a roach bust, not sure why Gamja decided to play it lategame. Why not? He had his chances. He did much better than HyuN at least.
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On November 23 2013 00:49 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 00:47 Musicus wrote: I think they need to throw Protoss at Taeja and cheese him. He is too stronk. You can also cheese as a zerg, like a baneling bust or a roach bust, not sure why Gamja decided to play it lategame. Maybe it is to tire Taeja out?
Possibly, man this clan war is exciting. So much on the line.
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On November 23 2013 00:49 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 00:47 Musicus wrote: I think they need to throw Protoss at Taeja and cheese him. He is too stronk. You can also cheese as a zerg, like a baneling bust or a roach bust, not sure why Gamja decided to play it lategame. Maybe it is to tire Taeja out? While it is our hope (IIRC you are a mouz-supporter as well), that Quantic tires Taeja out to beat him, from their point of view using many players to eliminate one is not an option. They need to win this.
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Poll: Who will win?Team Taeja (14) 100% Hyuntic (0) 0% 14 total votes Your vote: Who will win? (Vote): Team Taeja (Vote): Hyuntic
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On November 23 2013 00:57 Aeromi wrote: Can taeja do it ?
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On November 23 2013 01:00 Zackeva wrote:Poll: Who will win?Team Taeja (14) 100% Hyuntic (0) 0% 14 total votes Your vote: Who will win? (Vote): Team Taeja (Vote): Hyuntic
Mousesports.
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On November 23 2013 01:01 Undead1993 wrote: Rofl.
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Ok its getting to close for comfort, next player beat TaeJa please
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HwangSin can win a lot more fans before his retirement if he wins now
E: And haters ofc ^^
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Now HwangSin/Dimaga, and then Hyun. I don´t see anyone beating Taeja. All-Kill gogo!
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Why would you ever play a straight up match against Taeja, don't they realize that they are hopelessly outmatched???
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Taeja is a scary motherfucker, holy shit. Venus didn't play bad but still looked helpless.
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France7248 Posts
I thought it was the last match for HwangSin but he is not even playing :/
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And Elfi made this guy look easy...!
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On November 23 2013 01:10 Yhamm wrote: I thought it was the last match for HwangSin but he is not even playing :/
Imagine HwangSin as ace O_O
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On November 23 2013 01:11 SinCitta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 01:10 Yhamm wrote: I thought it was the last match for HwangSin but he is not even playing :/ Imagine HwangSin as ace O_O No way.
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On November 23 2013 01:11 Zackeva wrote: And Elfi made this guy look easy...! More like Taeja made Elfi look mortal.
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Northern Ireland20509 Posts
Not bad Taeja, not bad at all! Can Hyun come out again?
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I just hope Taeja takes liquid to the playoffs. Go Taeja, carry the team once more!
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On November 23 2013 01:16 Forgottenfrog wrote: I just hope Taeja takes liquid to the playoffs. Go Taeja, carry the team once more! and then through the play offs into the finals and then in the finals once more taeja go
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Austria24413 Posts
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Finally, the expected all-in. Will hit too late considering TaeJa's build.
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On November 23 2013 01:17 TheDwf wrote: Finally, the expected all-in. Will hit too late considering TaeJa's build. And he chickened out, good move
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Austria24413 Posts
Yeah Taeja is completely fine. If Try upgrades everything at once now then Taeja will snipe a nexus.
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immortals are so gosu makes me wonder why we dont see mass immortals instead of collossi
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Austria24413 Posts
Because of mariners... and they become rather useless once ghosts are out.
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Come on Quantic, you have one job...!
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On November 23 2013 01:22 DarkLordOlli wrote: Because of mariners... and they become rather useless once ghosts are out.
You think you can teach something to the LRSL S1 champion?
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A SCV pull at 2/2 would be an easy win.
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My god, just tuned in. GOGO TAEJA, I BELIEEEEVE
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Austria24413 Posts
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shit shit shit
Someone beat TaeJa please
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What am I watching?! Go TaeJa!!!
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How can he do that. I don't understand.
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One more to go! Let`s go Taeja!
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Gotta be Hyun again. Should be a good one
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Austria24413 Posts
On November 23 2013 01:26 Nightwishone wrote: What am I watching?! Go TaeJa!!!
Hello, my name is Liquid'Taeja and you're watching me all kill.
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Come on, somebody stop Taeja!!!
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On November 23 2013 01:15 Wombat_NI wrote: Not bad Taeja, not bad at all! Can Hyun come out again? He can be revived yes, though I would honestly use a toss instead and go for a cheese. I've seen nothing from Hyun lately that suggest he can beat Taeja.
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Well team Tiquid is doing well. I sometimes feel that if Taeja had a killer instinct like Jaedong, he would be the Terran equivalent.
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Austria24413 Posts
Guys it's gonna be Hwangsin.
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Taeja tooooo good. Im pretty sure a number of foreign teams regret not picking up taeja lolololol
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HyuN as the final hope and final destruction of mouz
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taeja is 5:0 against hyun in the last 6 days, pretty over for quantic oh and hyun should start practicing again and stop travelling he will get destroyed in the battle grounds and also in dreamhack winter.
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On November 23 2013 01:26 styLesdavis wrote: One more to go! Let`s go Taeja!
I would be so heartbroken if Taeja lose. GO GO Taeja!
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If Hyun comes out this is far from over. The roach/bane all ins are strong with this one
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On November 23 2013 01:28 Undead1993 wrote: taeja is 5:0 against hyun in the last 6 days, pretty over for quantic oh and hyun should start practicing again and stop travelling he will get destroyed in the battle grounds and also in dreamhack winter.
That only means Hyun is due for a victory! I believe!
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On November 23 2013 01:28 Undead1993 wrote: taeja is 5:0 against hyun in the last 6 days, pretty over for quantic oh and hyun should start practicing again and stop travelling he will get destroyed in the battle grounds and also in dreamhack winter. I think Taeja travels way more than HyuN. <3 Taeja
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On November 23 2013 01:27 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 01:26 Nightwishone wrote: What am I watching?! Go TaeJa!!! Hello, my name is Liquid'Taeja and you're watching me all kill. It's 2012 all over again! :D
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On November 23 2013 01:29 Yorkie wrote:If Hyun comes out this is far from over. The roach/bane all ins are strong with this one But TaeJa is a wise man and plays Hellions/Banshees.
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On November 23 2013 01:30 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 01:29 Yorkie wrote:If Hyun comes out this is far from over. The roach/bane all ins are strong with this one But TaeJa is a wise man and plays Hellions/Banshees. Yeah I guess he will probably expect the al-in, especially considering how cautious he was in the last game when he saw the immortals
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I don't know why Quantic even bothers with having a team, instead of a personal sponsorship for just Hyun. The rest of the team does absolutely nothing.
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France7248 Posts
if Liquid wins 5-0, Millenium is the last team that can still qualify and would need to win 10-1 the last 2 matches. (if they win 10-2, they are tied with Liquid with the same map difference and the same map wins, but Liquid win the H2H)
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Taeja is like super sayian level million now, no one can beat him.
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It's Hyun, what will happen? Roach/bane maybe.
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Austria24413 Posts
That map intro is too good for the mood. GO TAEJA!
Ha I knew it was the RWBY intro.
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On November 23 2013 01:27 NPF wrote: Well team Tiquid is doing well. I sometimes feel that if Taeja had a killer instinct like Jaedong, he would be the Terran equivalent. What? Taeja has 4 premier wins this year and the second most in SC2's history behind Mvp,
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On November 23 2013 01:27 NPF wrote: Well team Tiquid is doing well. I sometimes feel that if Taeja had a killer instinct like Jaedong, he would be the Terran equivalent. TaeJa isn't interested in second places.
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Taeja must be SO SO confident right now...
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On November 23 2013 01:28 Undead1993 wrote: taeja is 5:0 against hyun in the last 6 days, pretty over for quantic oh and hyun should start practicing again and stop travelling he will get destroyed in the battle grounds and also in dreamhack winter. I think it's more he likes roach styles ZvT, and Taeja just eats those for breakfast. Hyun did well to make it to the finals in HSC, he can play well just not vs tip top Taeja.
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taeja going same build as last game. Rax/gas/reaper/reactor/expand
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10k people combined watch this match
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On November 23 2013 01:27 NPF wrote: Well team Tiquid is doing well. I sometimes feel that if Taeja had a killer instinct like Jaedong, he would be the Terran equivalent. Taeja has better instincts than JD for SC2. The patient style is much stronger for zerg in this game than in BW.
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On November 23 2013 01:34 manicshock wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 01:28 Undead1993 wrote: taeja is 5:0 against hyun in the last 6 days, pretty over for quantic oh and hyun should start practicing again and stop travelling he will get destroyed in the battle grounds and also in dreamhack winter. I think it's more he likes roach styles ZvT, and Taeja just eats those for breakfast. Hyun did well to make it to the finals in HSC, he can play well just not vs tip top Taeja. nah, i mean his performance was fine, considering all the other players performances, but once upon a time hyuns macro was just insanity, he was eating everyone, now he gets supply blocked here and there, he is just not the same. but maybe i am just exaggerating not sure, would love him to dominate once again.
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oooh overlord.. go teamtaeja!
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TaeJa knows HyuN won't try a Roach/Baneling bust because he went Hellions/Banshees in pretty much all their previous games, so he now capitalizes on this to skip Banshees and head for a quicker third CC. Smart.
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On November 23 2013 01:35 Squat wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 01:27 NPF wrote: Well team Tiquid is doing well. I sometimes feel that if Taeja had a killer instinct like Jaedong, he would be the Terran equivalent. Taeja has better instincts than JD for SC2. The patient style is much stronger for zerg in this game than in BW.
Sorry by killer instincts I meant a death stare, I don't watch Taeja enough, but I see how much Jaedong wants to win, less so with Taeja, that's how I feel.
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Hmmmm Hyun didn't start +1 carapace?
Ouch, on the same evo as +1 melee.
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On November 23 2013 01:32 ANLProbe wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 01:27 NPF wrote: Well team Tiquid is doing well. I sometimes feel that if Taeja had a killer instinct like Jaedong, he would be the Terran equivalent. What? Taeja has 4 premier wins this year and the second most in SC2's history behind Mvp,
To be fair, most of his wins are in the 2nd tier of premier,. DH, ASUS, HSC not saying they are bad tournaments, but he has a hard time winning the most stacked tournaments. Thus the low career winnings despite the number of wins.
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On November 23 2013 01:39 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 01:32 ANLProbe wrote:On November 23 2013 01:27 NPF wrote: Well team Tiquid is doing well. I sometimes feel that if Taeja had a killer instinct like Jaedong, he would be the Terran equivalent. What? Taeja has 4 premier wins this year and the second most in SC2's history behind Mvp, To be fair, most of his wins are in the 2nd tier of premier,. DH, ASUS, HSC not saying they are bad tournaments, but he has a hard time winning the most stacked tournaments. Thus the low career winnings despite the number of wins. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_DreamHack_Open/Bucharest if this is not stacked i have no idea what stacked means
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Taeja did it, hats off to him
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On November 23 2013 01:39 Keeemy wrote: Hmmmm Hyun didn't start +1 carapace?
Ouch, on the same evo as +1 melee. Critical mistake.
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OHMYGOD TAEJA YOU ARE A GOD
Nice fucking job, holy shit
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Oh my god, he's just in another league right now!
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What are supplies at?
Edit: above posts more or less answer my question, congrats team taeja!
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On November 23 2013 01:39 NPF wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 01:35 Squat wrote:On November 23 2013 01:27 NPF wrote: Well team Tiquid is doing well. I sometimes feel that if Taeja had a killer instinct like Jaedong, he would be the Terran equivalent. Taeja has better instincts than JD for SC2. The patient style is much stronger for zerg in this game than in BW. Sorry by killer instincts I meant a death stare, I don't watch Taeja enough, but I see how much Jaedong wants to win, less so with Taeja, that's how I feel. I believe the word you're looking for is determination. JD might be more determined than TaeJa, but that's just speculation. But the fact is that JD lets his determination show.
Team TaeJa brings it
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T_T
out by mapscore again
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On November 23 2013 01:42 Keeemy wrote: OHMYGOD TAEJA YOU ARE A GOD
Nice fucking job, holy shit
If he is your God, by default is he not a God?
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Taeja keeps liquid in the playoffs.
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Just goes to show, no Elfi, no hope.
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Taeja on another level than Quantic.
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Austria24413 Posts
Yessssssssssssssssss! GJ Taeja! :D
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Sad day for the foreign scene, no foreign team in the playoffs...
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United Kingdom31934 Posts
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Unbelievable, this guy is unbelievable. Wp Taeja, he deserves the playoffs.
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How is tiebreaker done in this? mouz has same mapscore as liquid and b eat them in head 2 head o_o. Shouldn't it be mouz 4th or a tiebreaker match liquid vs mouz?
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That was easy. Congrats Team Taeja.
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Man, what the fuck. It's Hwangsin's last match, and you don't even field him.
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MoustacheTerran was amazing
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Taeja just too good! Happy to see Liquid redeem themselves from mediocre play throughout the season to finish group stage on a high note!
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On November 23 2013 01:44 Acer.Scarlett` wrote: How is tiebreaker done in this? mouz has same mapscore as liquid and b eat them in head 2 head o_o. Shouldn't it be mouz 4th or a tiebreaker match liquid vs mouz?
map win > h2h
or to quote Take yesterday: "what kind of stupid rule is this?!"
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On November 23 2013 01:44 Acer.Scarlett` wrote: How is tiebreaker done in this? mouz has same mapscore as liquid and b eat them in head 2 head o_o. Shouldn't it be mouz 4th or a tiebreaker match liquid vs mouz?
after mapscore, the amount of map wins is important
if that is the same, head 2 head
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On November 23 2013 01:44 Acer.Scarlett` wrote: How is tiebreaker done in this? mouz has same mapscore as liquid and b eat them in head 2 head o_o. Shouldn't it be mouz 4th or a tiebreaker match liquid vs mouz? Its the same tiebreaking as the Bundesliga.
Its Wins -> Map score -> Map wins -> Head to head
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On November 23 2013 01:44 Acer.Scarlett` wrote: How is tiebreaker done in this? mouz has same mapscore as liquid and b eat them in head 2 head o_o. Shouldn't it be mouz 4th or a tiebreaker match liquid vs mouz? no, read the rules
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On November 23 2013 01:44 JustPassingBy wrote: Sad day for the foreign scene, no foreign team in the playoffs... TL is as much a foreign team as Quantic is, if that's what you're getting at.. (?)
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On November 23 2013 01:44 Acer.Scarlett` wrote: How is tiebreaker done in this? mouz has same mapscore as liquid and b eat them in head 2 head o_o. Shouldn't it be mouz 4th or a tiebreaker match liquid vs mouz?
No more mapwins for Liquid come before h2h. Take thinks it's stupid, but that's how it is.
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On November 23 2013 01:44 JustPassingBy wrote: Sad day for the foreign scene, no foreign team in the playoffs... Every day is a sad day for the foreign scene lol.
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France7248 Posts
only 2 team now can take the 4th spot:
-Liquid dont have any matche left
-Millenium need to win the last 2 matches with a total score of 10-0 or 10-1. A score of 10-2 means a tie with Liquid and Liquid, with the same map difference and the same map win, win the H2H vs Millenium
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On November 23 2013 01:43 Dauntless wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 01:39 NPF wrote:On November 23 2013 01:35 Squat wrote:On November 23 2013 01:27 NPF wrote: Well team Tiquid is doing well. I sometimes feel that if Taeja had a killer instinct like Jaedong, he would be the Terran equivalent. Taeja has better instincts than JD for SC2. The patient style is much stronger for zerg in this game than in BW. Sorry by killer instincts I meant a death stare, I don't watch Taeja enough, but I see how much Jaedong wants to win, less so with Taeja, that's how I feel. I believe the word you're looking for is determination. JD might be more determined than TaeJa, but that's just speculation. The only fact is that it shows much more on JD. Team TaeJa brings it Well Taeja has been known to gg early and not always show the greatest fighting spirit, so I definitely agree JD has more sheer determination. Then again, JD has probably the strongest will and most uncompromising work ethic in esports, which is why I love him. He is like Perseus facing off against the Kraken, utterly sure of victory even against ludicrous odds.
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On November 23 2013 01:44 Acer.Scarlett` wrote: How is tiebreaker done in this? mouz has same mapscore as liquid and b eat them in head 2 head o_o. Shouldn't it be mouz 4th or a tiebreaker match liquid vs mouz? It goes 1. Win/loss ratio 2. Map win to map loss ratio 3. Total map wins 4. Head to head Liquid and Mouz have same win/loss and map ratio, but Liquid has more map wins overall. Even though mouz won the head to head liquid still advances over them.
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I can't believe it Taeja is unbelieveable
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Yeah, fuck this. Match gets postponed, TL knows the playoff situation and plays Taeja first and know they advance because they won more maps (implying a lower winning percentage at similar map differences), but lost H2H. Well played Taeja, but still incredibly underserved.
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On November 23 2013 01:43 manicshock wrote: Taeja keeps liquid in the playoffs.
In the hunt. Mill still can win 10-0 or 10-1 and since they're playing the last and second-to-last ranked teams (iG and coL) it's very possible that they can do it.
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This is why round robin team leagues are awesome. Loving it. Glued to this match and probably to the upcoming Millennium games, too.
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United States97245 Posts
On November 23 2013 01:45 Dauntless wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 01:44 JustPassingBy wrote: Sad day for the foreign scene, no foreign team in the playoffs... TL is as much a foreign team as Quantic is, if that's what you're getting at.. (?) Maybe he was hoping mouz would get into the playoffs?
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On November 23 2013 01:46 Yhamm wrote: only 2 team now can take the 4th spot:
-Liquid dont have any matche left
-Millenium need to win the last 2 matches with a total score of 10-0 or 10-1. A score of 10-2 means a tie with Liquid and Liquid, with the same map difference and the same map win, win the H2H vs Millenium Don't think ForGG can do that.
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On November 23 2013 01:45 Dauntless wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 01:44 JustPassingBy wrote: Sad day for the foreign scene, no foreign team in the playoffs... TL is as much a foreign team as Quantic is, if that's what you're getting at.. (?)
Ah sorry, for me it's the players that make the team, not the managed. E.g. if you have a football team full of brazilian players in the main squad who live and trained in brazil, then that is a predominantly brazilian team for me, I don't really care where the management is from.
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On November 23 2013 01:44 JustPassingBy wrote: Sad day for the foreign scene, no foreign team in the playoffs...
Sad day for you prob, but not for liquid fans. Also what do you mean by foreign teams? Liquid isn't a foreign team??
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On November 23 2013 01:47 mongmong wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 01:44 JustPassingBy wrote: Sad day for the foreign scene, no foreign team in the playoffs... Sad day for you prob, but not for liquid fans. Also what do you mean by foreign teams? Liquid isn't a foreign team??
I think he means teams with only foreign players.
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On November 23 2013 01:47 mongmong wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 01:44 JustPassingBy wrote: Sad day for the foreign scene, no foreign team in the playoffs... Sad day for you prob, but not for liquid fans. Also what do you mean by foreign teams? Liquid isn't a foreign team??
Not really.
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United States97245 Posts
Whatever happened to DIMAGA playing for Quantic? He went 3-1 for them and then disappeared
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Austria24413 Posts
On November 23 2013 01:48 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 01:47 mongmong wrote:On November 23 2013 01:44 JustPassingBy wrote: Sad day for the foreign scene, no foreign team in the playoffs... Sad day for you prob, but not for liquid fans. Also what do you mean by foreign teams? Liquid isn't a foreign team?? Not really.
Liquid is a hybrid team then. Whatever. Not like it matters
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On November 23 2013 01:47 mongmong wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 01:44 JustPassingBy wrote: Sad day for the foreign scene, no foreign team in the playoffs... Sad day for you prob, but not for liquid fans. Also what do you mean by foreign teams? Liquid isn't a foreign team?? They are a foreign that rely more or less exclusively on two koreans to achieve their current level of success.
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On November 23 2013 01:49 Shellshock wrote: Whatever happened to DIMAGA playing for Quantic? He went 3-1 for them and then disappeared They probably trusted their C-team Koreans more. They didnt even use HwangSin in his last match as a pro gamer
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On November 23 2013 01:47 Xoronius wrote: Yeah, fuck this. Match gets postponed, TL knows the playoff situation and plays Taeja first and know they advance because they won more maps (implying a lower winning percentage at similar map differences), but lost H2H. Well played Taeja, but still incredibly underserved. Hey man its the rules. Liquid just played the player that gave them the best shot to advance. They didn't make the system, and these strict rules are what caused liquid to lose to mouz (or at least contributed to the loss) earlier this season.
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Another good day of work from Team Taeja!
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wow Taeja...soooo good. Ride the momentum to DH Winter and win the whole thing. You need the money!
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I guess it's time for the ForGGeddon to rise again.
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On November 23 2013 01:49 Yorkie wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 01:47 Xoronius wrote: Yeah, fuck this. Match gets postponed, TL knows the playoff situation and plays Taeja first and know they advance because they won more maps (implying a lower winning percentage at similar map differences), but lost H2H. Well played Taeja, but still incredibly underserved. Hey man its the rules. Liquid just played the player that gave them the best shot to advance. They didn't make the system, and these strict rules are what caused liquid to lose to mouz (or at least contributed to the loss) earlier this season. I´m not blaming Liquid for doing what they had to do. I´m just frustarted, because "number of maps won" is a bad tiebreaker and if the match would have been played at the regular time, they probably would´nt have started with Taeja.
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Taeja will surely be close to having the most number of all kills by now?
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On November 23 2013 01:49 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 01:48 Bagration wrote:On November 23 2013 01:47 mongmong wrote:On November 23 2013 01:44 JustPassingBy wrote: Sad day for the foreign scene, no foreign team in the playoffs... Sad day for you prob, but not for liquid fans. Also what do you mean by foreign teams? Liquid isn't a foreign team?? Not really. Liquid is a hybrid team then. Whatever. Not like it matters
Exactly. It's fucking 2013 and we're still concerned about where a player was born back in the 1990s. And don't give me that "more relate-able" bullshit either.
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On November 23 2013 01:52 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 01:49 Yorkie wrote:On November 23 2013 01:47 Xoronius wrote: Yeah, fuck this. Match gets postponed, TL knows the playoff situation and plays Taeja first and know they advance because they won more maps (implying a lower winning percentage at similar map differences), but lost H2H. Well played Taeja, but still incredibly underserved. Hey man its the rules. Liquid just played the player that gave them the best shot to advance. They didn't make the system, and these strict rules are what caused liquid to lose to mouz (or at least contributed to the loss) earlier this season. I´m not blaming Liquid for doing what they had to do. I´m just frustarted, because "number of maps won" is a bad tiebreaker and if the match would have been played at the regular time, they probably would´nt have started with Taeja. In the end mouz sadly lost it themselves by the disappointing 1-5 vs. Complexity.
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On November 23 2013 01:52 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 01:49 Yorkie wrote:On November 23 2013 01:47 Xoronius wrote: Yeah, fuck this. Match gets postponed, TL knows the playoff situation and plays Taeja first and know they advance because they won more maps (implying a lower winning percentage at similar map differences), but lost H2H. Well played Taeja, but still incredibly underserved. Hey man its the rules. Liquid just played the player that gave them the best shot to advance. They didn't make the system, and these strict rules are what caused liquid to lose to mouz (or at least contributed to the loss) earlier this season. I´m not blaming Liquid for doing what they had to do. I´m just frustarted, because "number of maps won" is a bad tiebreaker and if the match would have been played at the regular time, they probably would´nt have started with Taeja. Yeah but then the match against empire would have been seen as make or break for them and they would have played that match differently. Again both teams had things go their way this season (citing Mouz's free map win and not having to play against HerO earlier)
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would have been played at the regular time, they probably would´nt have started with Taeja.
What did you mean with "regular time"?
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On November 23 2013 01:47 Xoronius wrote: Yeah, fuck this. Match gets postponed, TL knows the playoff situation and plays Taeja first and know they advance because they won more maps (implying a lower winning percentage at similar map differences), but lost H2H. Well played Taeja, but still incredibly underserved.
cry more plz. Rules are rules Q.Q. Fanboys crying out like this is quite entertaining hahahaha
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Haha, TaeJa is awesome
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On November 23 2013 01:52 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 01:49 Yorkie wrote:On November 23 2013 01:47 Xoronius wrote: Yeah, fuck this. Match gets postponed, TL knows the playoff situation and plays Taeja first and know they advance because they won more maps (implying a lower winning percentage at similar map differences), but lost H2H. Well played Taeja, but still incredibly underserved. Hey man its the rules. Liquid just played the player that gave them the best shot to advance. They didn't make the system, and these strict rules are what caused liquid to lose to mouz (or at least contributed to the loss) earlier this season. I´m not blaming Liquid for doing what they had to do. I´m just frustarted, because "number of maps won" is a bad tiebreaker and if the match would have been played at the regular time, they probably would´nt have started with Taeja.
At first I thought it was bad, but now I kinda like it. It's a good measure to see what team has been doing best in the matches they've lost.
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Northern Ireland20509 Posts
Pretty ridiculous player is Taeja.
I've enjoyed the ATC, that said I think the ace revives and all that make things a bit wonky, when it comes to the 'super aces' coming back time and again. Not just Taeja, but Hyun for Quantic and others as well.
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On November 23 2013 01:53 styLesdavis wrote:Show nested quote +would have been played at the regular time, they probably would´nt have started with Taeja. What did you mean with "regular time"?
The match was originally scheduled to happen in the first few weeks, however Liquid requested a reschedule of the match (which is their right according to the rules), hence it was moved to the very last week.
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"yawn... that was ez. now time for bed"
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Taeja is so ridiculous lol
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On November 23 2013 01:52 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 01:49 Yorkie wrote:On November 23 2013 01:47 Xoronius wrote: Yeah, fuck this. Match gets postponed, TL knows the playoff situation and plays Taeja first and know they advance because they won more maps (implying a lower winning percentage at similar map differences), but lost H2H. Well played Taeja, but still incredibly underserved. Hey man its the rules. Liquid just played the player that gave them the best shot to advance. They didn't make the system, and these strict rules are what caused liquid to lose to mouz (or at least contributed to the loss) earlier this season. I´m not blaming Liquid for doing what they had to do. I´m just frustarted, because "number of maps won" is a bad tiebreaker and if the match would have been played at the regular time, they probably would´nt have started with Taeja. tiebreakers are always stupid and arbitrary. that's why they only decide in case of a tie.
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On November 23 2013 01:53 styLesdavis wrote:Show nested quote +would have been played at the regular time, they probably would´nt have started with Taeja. What did you mean with "regular time"? The match was supposed to be played in week 8. By that time, the playoff situation was´nt clear and TL did´nt knew, that they had to win 5-0.
On November 23 2013 01:53 grs wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 01:52 Xoronius wrote:On November 23 2013 01:49 Yorkie wrote:On November 23 2013 01:47 Xoronius wrote: Yeah, fuck this. Match gets postponed, TL knows the playoff situation and plays Taeja first and know they advance because they won more maps (implying a lower winning percentage at similar map differences), but lost H2H. Well played Taeja, but still incredibly underserved. Hey man its the rules. Liquid just played the player that gave them the best shot to advance. They didn't make the system, and these strict rules are what caused liquid to lose to mouz (or at least contributed to the loss) earlier this season. I´m not blaming Liquid for doing what they had to do. I´m just frustarted, because "number of maps won" is a bad tiebreaker and if the match would have been played at the regular time, they probably would´nt have started with Taeja. In the end mouz sadly lost it themselves by the disappointing 1-5 vs. Complexity. Yeah, sure. Dman Complexity, first they make sure mouz gets eliminated out of SC2L (with QXC> MaNa and BlinG>Luci) and now the same happens in ATC.
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Anyways, from now on I shall be a big fan of the Proleague format.
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On November 23 2013 01:53 mongmong wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 01:47 Xoronius wrote: Yeah, fuck this. Match gets postponed, TL knows the playoff situation and plays Taeja first and know they advance because they won more maps (implying a lower winning percentage at similar map differences), but lost H2H. Well played Taeja, but still incredibly underserved. cry more plz. Rules are rules Q.Q. Fanboys crying out like this is quite entertaining hahahaha I have all the right to cry those fanboy tears, when my favorite team gets eliminated by a questionable tie-breaker rule, that is´nt used anywhere else.
Anyway, lets move on, go Millenium!
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On November 23 2013 02:02 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 01:53 mongmong wrote:On November 23 2013 01:47 Xoronius wrote: Yeah, fuck this. Match gets postponed, TL knows the playoff situation and plays Taeja first and know they advance because they won more maps (implying a lower winning percentage at similar map differences), but lost H2H. Well played Taeja, but still incredibly underserved. cry more plz. Rules are rules Q.Q. Fanboys crying out like this is quite entertaining hahahaha I have all the right to cry those fanboy tears, when my favorite team gets eliminated by a questionable tie-breaker rule, that is´nt used anywhere else. Anyway, lets move on, go Millenium! bundesliga, fifa world cup... it is a common rule for league systems and as arbitrary as mapscore or h2h in a league system
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On November 23 2013 02:05 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 02:02 Xoronius wrote:On November 23 2013 01:53 mongmong wrote:On November 23 2013 01:47 Xoronius wrote: Yeah, fuck this. Match gets postponed, TL knows the playoff situation and plays Taeja first and know they advance because they won more maps (implying a lower winning percentage at similar map differences), but lost H2H. Well played Taeja, but still incredibly underserved. cry more plz. Rules are rules Q.Q. Fanboys crying out like this is quite entertaining hahahaha I have all the right to cry those fanboy tears, when my favorite team gets eliminated by a questionable tie-breaker rule, that is´nt used anywhere else. Anyway, lets move on, go Millenium! bundesliga, fifa world cup... it is a common rule for league systems and as arbitrary as mapscore or h2h in a league system
In football its purpose is to encourage more goals. In SC2 it encourages... what really? Whatever it encourages, it has a strange reciprocal effect with the map difference rule that has a higher priority.
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On November 23 2013 02:05 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 02:02 Xoronius wrote:On November 23 2013 01:53 mongmong wrote:On November 23 2013 01:47 Xoronius wrote: Yeah, fuck this. Match gets postponed, TL knows the playoff situation and plays Taeja first and know they advance because they won more maps (implying a lower winning percentage at similar map differences), but lost H2H. Well played Taeja, but still incredibly underserved. cry more plz. Rules are rules Q.Q. Fanboys crying out like this is quite entertaining hahahaha I have all the right to cry those fanboy tears, when my favorite team gets eliminated by a questionable tie-breaker rule, that is´nt used anywhere else. Anyway, lets move on, go Millenium! bundesliga, fifa world cup... it is a common rule for league systems and as arbitrary as mapscore or h2h in a league system Can´t compare football with Starcraft. In football a higher number of goals is proportional to a more attractive playstyle. In Starcraft, the number of map wins is´nt. In Starcraft a higher number of wins and losses decreases the win percentage. In football a higher number of goals does´nt.
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On November 23 2013 02:11 SinCitta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 02:05 Big J wrote:On November 23 2013 02:02 Xoronius wrote:On November 23 2013 01:53 mongmong wrote:On November 23 2013 01:47 Xoronius wrote: Yeah, fuck this. Match gets postponed, TL knows the playoff situation and plays Taeja first and know they advance because they won more maps (implying a lower winning percentage at similar map differences), but lost H2H. Well played Taeja, but still incredibly underserved. cry more plz. Rules are rules Q.Q. Fanboys crying out like this is quite entertaining hahahaha I have all the right to cry those fanboy tears, when my favorite team gets eliminated by a questionable tie-breaker rule, that is´nt used anywhere else. Anyway, lets move on, go Millenium! bundesliga, fifa world cup... it is a common rule for league systems and as arbitrary as mapscore or h2h in a league system In football its purpose is to encourage more goals. In SC2 it encourages... what really? Whatever it encourages, it has a strange reciprocal effect with the map difference rule that has a higher priority. Yeah, it's stupid because you can't have a score superior to 5 points while in football it's (theorically) infinite.
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On November 23 2013 02:11 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 02:05 Big J wrote:On November 23 2013 02:02 Xoronius wrote:On November 23 2013 01:53 mongmong wrote:On November 23 2013 01:47 Xoronius wrote: Yeah, fuck this. Match gets postponed, TL knows the playoff situation and plays Taeja first and know they advance because they won more maps (implying a lower winning percentage at similar map differences), but lost H2H. Well played Taeja, but still incredibly underserved. cry more plz. Rules are rules Q.Q. Fanboys crying out like this is quite entertaining hahahaha I have all the right to cry those fanboy tears, when my favorite team gets eliminated by a questionable tie-breaker rule, that is´nt used anywhere else. Anyway, lets move on, go Millenium! bundesliga, fifa world cup... it is a common rule for league systems and as arbitrary as mapscore or h2h in a league system Can´t compare football with Starcraft. In football a higher number of goals is proportional to a more attractive playstyle. In Starcraft, the number of map wins is´nt. In Starcraft a higher number of wins and losses decreases the win percentage. In football a higher number of goals does´nt. Another question, however, is what are the tiebreakers imitating? Well, in this case they imitate record, which is a measure of general wins, without specific weight put to wins against any one team. Maps reflect the same mindset. H2H is intuitively appealing because it shows who won when they were put against each other but is not an unweighted measure of amount of wins.
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What the actual fuck I thought it was almost impossible but Taeja did it. Clutch as hell.
Gogo TeamLiquidTaeja!
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Taeja no................................ chlip sigh mouz
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Russian Federation40169 Posts
On November 23 2013 02:22 BlackCompany wrote: What the actual fuck I thought it was almost impossible but Taeja did it. Clutch as hell.
Gogo TeamLiquidTaeja! Allkill for Team TaeJa against 1 man team? Not that impossible, don't be fool.
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France7248 Posts
well, more map wins actually mean that even if you lose, you lost with a closer score. Look at Quantic, they have 5 win, as Mouz & Liquid, but got a -9 map difference. 5 wins : 25 maps win, 4 loss : 3 maps win.
I think it shows consistency is better
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22271 Posts
There is no such thing as a perfect tiebreaker.
H2H ignores how dominant or one sided the wins and losses were throughout the season, basically disregarding those games to determine the tiebreaker.
Map scores neglects that head-to-head record. Sometimes, players or teams are made to play a deciding match to determine who advances, but previous H2H is a shortcut of it since the match was already played.
Both have flaws. What I stated above is a simple comparison. But really, you will never find one that everyone will be happy with. It is up to the tournament organizer to decide which they prefer to use.
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On November 23 2013 02:20 DamageControL wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 02:11 Xoronius wrote:On November 23 2013 02:05 Big J wrote:On November 23 2013 02:02 Xoronius wrote:On November 23 2013 01:53 mongmong wrote:On November 23 2013 01:47 Xoronius wrote: Yeah, fuck this. Match gets postponed, TL knows the playoff situation and plays Taeja first and know they advance because they won more maps (implying a lower winning percentage at similar map differences), but lost H2H. Well played Taeja, but still incredibly underserved. cry more plz. Rules are rules Q.Q. Fanboys crying out like this is quite entertaining hahahaha I have all the right to cry those fanboy tears, when my favorite team gets eliminated by a questionable tie-breaker rule, that is´nt used anywhere else. Anyway, lets move on, go Millenium! bundesliga, fifa world cup... it is a common rule for league systems and as arbitrary as mapscore or h2h in a league system Can´t compare football with Starcraft. In football a higher number of goals is proportional to a more attractive playstyle. In Starcraft, the number of map wins is´nt. In Starcraft a higher number of wins and losses decreases the win percentage. In football a higher number of goals does´nt. Another question, however, is what are the tiebreakers imitating? Well, in this case they imitate record, which is a measure of general wins, without specific weight put to wins against any one team. Maps reflect the same mindset. H2H is intuitively appealing because it shows who won when they were put against each other but is not an unweighted measure of amount of wins. Oh, don´t get me wrong, I´m against H2H as a tie-breaker in general, if you would ask me everything should be decided by map-score (differential) or an actual tie-breaker match.
It´s just, that map wins without higher map difference are even worse. Winning more matches than someone else (unweighted against who) is generally better for you, since every team plays exactly 9 matches per season, so more wins equals less losses. But maps don´t do the same, as you also lose more, when using number of won maps with the same map differential as the tie-breaker. If one team goes 6-0 and another one goes 12:6, the tie breaker, which is used, to put TL ahead of mouz, says that 12:6 would be better, although the team A in this example is undefeated and has a 100% win ratio.
Anyway, ATC did a good job in getting rid of dumb rules after season one, I have faith in the admins, that they do a good job in season two as well.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22271 Posts
What other tie breaker is there, though? Aside from having them play a do or die match
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On November 23 2013 02:39 lichter wrote: What other tie breaker is there, though? Aside from having them play a do or die match Why not actually do that? I mean these teams play for 2 months and are on the same match-score and map differential. Why not let them play for 3 more hours to determine a playoff spot, which is worth 2k. It seemed to work for Blizzcon and noone really complained there.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22271 Posts
That is usually the best tiebreaker for these situations, but it is the most time consuming. I doubt the admins and teams want to resort to that.
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On November 23 2013 02:39 lichter wrote: What other tie breaker is there, though? Aside from having them play a do or die match
Between two teams:
1. Match wins overall 2. Map difference overall 3. Head-to-head 4. Then all the other weird criteria
Between more than two teams head-to-head expands into a mini league that compares the stats in matches between tied teams.
E: lichter, it's not that we don't want map score (=map difference). We don't want map wins before H2H.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22271 Posts
That is a fair opinion. I'd tend to agree with that position for shorter seasons or tournaments such as Up/Downs, but for such a long season I'd prefer to prioritize significant league and season wide statistics. Though I do agree that total map wins after differential doesn't seem logical unless they score it like football (win is 3 pts, draw is 1, loss is 0) instead of weighing wins and losses equally (win as 1, loss as -1).
I am not personally invested in either team so my opinion isn't colored by bias. It is just my preference for long seasons with many games.
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could someone spot me a link for taeja vs venus. it wasnt played on basetrade's stream and i cant find it in take.tv
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Taeja putting on a masterclass. So happy to see TL keep their playoff hopes alive.
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On November 23 2013 01:39 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 01:32 ANLProbe wrote:On November 23 2013 01:27 NPF wrote: Well team Tiquid is doing well. I sometimes feel that if Taeja had a killer instinct like Jaedong, he would be the Terran equivalent. What? Taeja has 4 premier wins this year and the second most in SC2's history behind Mvp, To be fair, most of his wins are in the 2nd tier of premier,. DH, ASUS, HSC not saying they are bad tournaments, but he has a hard time winning the most stacked tournaments. Thus the low career winnings despite the number of wins.
Well JD does not have even those 2nd tier wins does he? :D
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Holy moly I fell asleep after game 2, and wake up to find out that TaeJa actually all-killed! Team TaeJa lives!
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Wtf, Taeja did it! Nice job! :D
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OLOL, damn Taeja, I saw you at the IPL TAC Finals in San Francisco, and you were so fucking damn impressive. And you did it again
(For those who don't remember, it's the day IM defeated Team Taeja 1-7)
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Canada16217 Posts
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Could you imagine if Millenium manages to go 10-1 in their next two matches and snipes the playoff spot away from Liquid?
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Liquidsuxsballswithoutme too good
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On November 23 2013 06:03 Nightsz wrote: Liquidsuxsballswithoutme too good
To be fair, TL has Hero too. I guess Liquidsuxwithoutkoreans might be more accurate.
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On November 23 2013 06:19 Squat wrote:To be fair, TL has Hero too. I guess Liquidsuxwithoutkoreans might be more accurate. I would say that HerO kind of tends to underperform in team leagues though compared to his individual performances at least. I think he was only like 7-6 in this league
not saying he's bad, just saying he doesnt seem to play at his full potential
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On November 23 2013 06:25 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 06:19 Squat wrote:On November 23 2013 06:03 Nightsz wrote: Liquidsuxsballswithoutme too good
To be fair, TL has Hero too. I guess Liquidsuxwithoutkoreans might be more accurate. I would say that HerO kind of tends to underperform in team leagues though compared to his individual performances at least. I think he was only like 7-6 in this league not saying he's bad, just saying he doesnt seem to play at his full potential yeah he's kind of a protoss Bomber, though Bomber may be even more volatile.
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On November 23 2013 06:25 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 06:19 Squat wrote:On November 23 2013 06:03 Nightsz wrote: Liquidsuxsballswithoutme too good
To be fair, TL has Hero too. I guess Liquidsuxwithoutkoreans might be more accurate. I would say that HerO kind of tends to underperform in team leagues though compared to his individual performances at least. I think he was only like 7-6 in this league not saying he's bad, just saying he doesnt seem to play at his full potential
Also in the IPL TaeJa Arena Challenge 3 (Taeja 23-3) HerO was 3-4. Zenio was actually Taeja's best backup, so I think it is definitely fair to say Liquid would be much much worse and barely competitive without Taeja.
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Liquid`ThisTeamSucksBallsWithoutMe-TaeJa has prevailed!
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ohhh snap quantic.
You just got cleaned bro'
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IPL TAC taeja please come back
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OH MY GOSH TAEJA i laughed my head off rofl omg thank you taeja
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I'm still having trouble with Twitch exporting to youtube, so my apologies again for only being able to provide twitch English vod links:
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Awesome guys so glad to see you make it through! thoroughly enjoyed watching and casting the games!
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