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* = ace. Last player on team can be chosen from the entire lineup, even if the player was eliminated before. ♠ = joker. Player that is not part of the team's regular roster. Only one joker can be chosen per season who is eligible to play the entire duration of the season.
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Poll: Head: Who do you think will win?Axiom eSports (13) 54% Team Liquid (11) 46% 24 total votes Your vote: Head: Who do you think will win? (Vote): Axiom eSports (Vote): Team Liquid
Poll: Heart: Who do you want to win?Axiom eSports (13) 54% Team Liquid (11) 46% 24 total votes Your vote: Heart: Who do you want to win? (Vote): Axiom eSports (Vote): Team Liquid
P.S.: I will not be present during parts of the match. If you want your stream added to the OP, contact me until 13:00 CET. Also, it would be great if someone volunteered to take over in case the automatic result updates fails.
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Team Liquid must win this !
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Go whoevers victory would be better for mouz!
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On November 19 2013 03:36 NovaMB wrote: Go whoevers victory would be better for mouz!
I agree. That would be Axiom, right?
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On November 19 2013 03:45 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2013 03:36 NovaMB wrote: Go whoevers victory would be better for mouz! I agree. That would be Axiom, right?
Yeah. Except if TL wins 5-0 here.
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The loser here needs Team Liquid to win against Quantic. Not the greatest prospect as HyuN can kill teams on his own.
Just prepare vZ snipes and you got Quantic beat. No one else on Quantic really does anything other than tire the other team out.
Back on topic, Go Axiom!
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On November 19 2013 04:31 SinCitta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2013 03:45 JustPassingBy wrote:On November 19 2013 03:36 NovaMB wrote: Go whoevers victory would be better for mouz! I agree. That would be Axiom, right? Yeah. Except if TL wins 5-0 here. Is´nt TL 5-0 the worst case for Mouz? Both Mouz would be +3 then and Axiom won the direct comparism, while TL also goes up to +5.
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On November 19 2013 04:50 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +The loser here needs Team Liquid to win against Quantic. Not the greatest prospect as HyuN can kill teams on his own.
Just prepare vZ snipes and you got Quantic beat. No one else on Quantic really does anything other than tire the other team out. Back on topic, Go Axiom!
Just tell TaeJa to build some tanks.
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On November 19 2013 05:04 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2013 04:31 SinCitta wrote:On November 19 2013 03:45 JustPassingBy wrote:On November 19 2013 03:36 NovaMB wrote: Go whoevers victory would be better for mouz! I agree. That would be Axiom, right? Yeah. Except if TL wins 5-0 here. Is´nt TL 5-0 the worst case for Mouz? Both Mouz would be +3 then and Axiom won the direct comparism, while TL also goes up to +5.
ATC has weird order priorities
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JtdCJPih1u841SatBLK9slzTFS80pL7t4CX7Zzq42Hs/edit?pli=1The table is sorted due to the following order: Total series(whole clanwar) wins Better differential in maps More wins overall in maps Less losses overall in maps Direct comparison between the teams and their series played in the order above (Total series(whole clanwar) wins -> Better differential in maps -> More wins overall in maps -> Less losses overall in maps). If there are more then 2 teams tied we create a table that only contains their series. The order is like above (Total series(whole clanwar) wins -> Better differential in maps -> More wins overall in maps -> Less losses overall in maps)
So basically wins > map difference > map wins > H2H.
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On November 19 2013 05:09 NovaMB wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2013 04:50 Bagration wrote:The loser here needs Team Liquid to win against Quantic. Not the greatest prospect as HyuN can kill teams on his own.
Just prepare vZ snipes and you got Quantic beat. No one else on Quantic really does anything other than tire the other team out. Back on topic, Go Axiom! Just tell TaeJa to build some tanks.
Yeah, can't see Hyun beating Liquid. The only player on Quantic is Hyun, and Hyun couldn't even touch Taeja at HSC. Unless he manages to cheese Taeja out twice, Liquid has Hyun beat.
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Hm, maybe it is good if TL wins it 5-0 after all... that would put Axiom behind mouz. Also TL has to win against Quantic, else quantic goes before mouz. And if TL loses their final game hard enough, it will put them behind mouz! :o
So if Mill works hard enough, there is still a scenario for both of them to advance!
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On November 19 2013 05:11 SinCitta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2013 05:04 Xoronius wrote:On November 19 2013 04:31 SinCitta wrote:On November 19 2013 03:45 JustPassingBy wrote:On November 19 2013 03:36 NovaMB wrote: Go whoevers victory would be better for mouz! I agree. That would be Axiom, right? Yeah. Except if TL wins 5-0 here. Is´nt TL 5-0 the worst case for Mouz? Both Mouz would be +3 then and Axiom won the direct comparism, while TL also goes up to +5. ATC has weird order priorities Show nested quote +https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JtdCJPih1u841SatBLK9slzTFS80pL7t4CX7Zzq42Hs/edit?pli=1The table is sorted due to the following order: Total series(whole clanwar) wins Better differential in maps More wins overall in maps Less losses overall in maps Direct comparison between the teams and their series played in the order above (Total series(whole clanwar) wins -> Better differential in maps -> More wins overall in maps -> Less losses overall in maps). If there are more then 2 teams tied we create a table that only contains their series. The order is like above (Total series(whole clanwar) wins -> Better differential in maps -> More wins overall in maps -> Less losses overall in maps) So basically wins > map difference > map wins > H2H. Ok, that explains it, thanks. I only searched for rules at the LP-page and could´nt find something there, so I was just assuming, it is map difference > H2H > map wins, but apperently that was wrong.
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I'm pretty sure this will be postponed due to NA maintenance, but go Axiom!
Disregard this post, apparently every Blizzard game except SC2 is in maintenance.
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On November 19 2013 20:49 Elite_ wrote: I'm pretty sure this will be postponed due to NA maintenance, but go Axiom! But TL has most of their players in KR though right? Or is Snute in US now
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On November 19 2013 21:07 GreenMash wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2013 20:49 Elite_ wrote: I'm pretty sure this will be postponed due to NA maintenance, but go Axiom! But TL has most of their players in KR though right? Or is Snute in US now Pretty sure every TL member other than Snute is in EU right now... and EU vs. KR is played on NA...
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Taeja and Hero are both at the TL headquarters in the netherlands.
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I want a rematch of Taeja vs Hyun, now that both have slept a little.
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Austria24413 Posts
I'm going to need HerO to all kill Axiom so he can tank some confidence and momentum before DHW
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On November 19 2013 22:45 Daswollvieh wrote: I want a rematch of Taeja vs Hyun, now that both have slept a little. I know Liquid vs. HyuNtic is mentioned in the OP, but they're playing Axiom today.
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On November 19 2013 22:52 Elite_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2013 22:45 Daswollvieh wrote: I want a rematch of Taeja vs Hyun, now that both have slept a little. I know Liquid vs. HyuNtic is mentioned in the OP, but they're playing Axiom today.
I was misled like today´s youth. shhhorry...
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PvP HerO should lose
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Wow, really smart defense by Alicia.
And HerO with the heart-surgeon micro.
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Observer completely missed HerOs warpprism-harass that ended the game.
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United States97248 Posts
Hope to see some more neural parasite play out of Impact like he did in GSTL
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Oops didn't watch... how did Mekia manage to beat Hero?
edit: thanks shellbot!
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United States97248 Posts
fast lings forced a cancel on nexus first. HerO went for DT follow up that was scouted and only killed 2 drones. Then HerO tried to go triple stargate and it got scouted. He was so far behind Mekia just hit him with a roach hydra viper timing and killed him
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Damn it, no Hero all-kill. That means mouz can only finish 4th at most and the end of all hopes for Mill.
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Next attack is gonna kill TLO
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So since Axiom cant fall behind Mouz anymore, I want Impact to all-kill 5-1, Mill to win a close one over TL (or a very close TL win) and TL to beat Quantic.
Not too much to ask is it?
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Wow, a raggae song about liking Germans on take's stream? :o
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Hopefully Taeja can do some magic now, this match is basicly do or die for Liquid, dont seenl them advancing to playoffs without a win here ( top 4 are playoff spots right?)
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wow. I just heard the word leapfrog... Want to hear it more!
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Come on Crank, do an all-kill! for mouz!!!
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Don't worry, Heart has got this.
edit: wow he got ducked hardcore
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What the hell TaeJa? Why would you do that?
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Misread from Taeja
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One down, two more to go, Crank!! :D
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Taeja guessed wrong. And we don't get Taeja v MMA or Taeja v Inno. Bloody Protoss blocking good old TvT
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Maybe the scv scouting 2 extra gas threw him off xD
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Guess Taeja doesn't know Crank's style, especially on this map. 75% going to blink all in.
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Austria24413 Posts
On November 20 2013 00:26 Ghanburighan wrote:Taeja guessed wrong. And we don't get Taeja v MMA or Taeja v Inno. Bloody Protoss blocking good old TvT
Neither of those two players is on Axiom
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i'd like the male caster more if he'd calm down a little and not try and overreact to small things
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Holy shit, that was more even than I thought, what would've been the chances for Ret to win the game had he continuously built zerglings instead of drones? :o
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On November 20 2013 00:26 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 00:26 Ghanburighan wrote:Taeja guessed wrong. And we don't get Taeja v MMA or Taeja v Inno. Bloody Protoss blocking good old TvT Neither of those two players is on Axiom Yeah, this isn't GSTL... Acer already played their match today. The only TvT you might see is Ryung or Heart vs. TaeJa if TaeJa is the ace...
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That micro could've just won Crank the game, imo. Had he not done that, Ret's army might have taken the fight.
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On November 20 2013 00:26 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 00:26 Ghanburighan wrote:Taeja guessed wrong. And we don't get Taeja v MMA or Taeja v Inno. Bloody Protoss blocking good old TvT Neither of those two players is on Axiom
Oh, this isn't Axiom-Acer. I ran home for naught Except, go go Ryung!
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Crank's reaction to getting attacked was to get a Dark Shrine? Clever boy
edit: oh god, what is Crank doing?
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Cmoon Crank, do not crack!
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Crank fighting! burn that bank! :D Interesting that Taeja is not building more workers with only 50 scv.
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If CranK wins this match I think Axiom get second as their indicator would be 1 higher than WW.
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Tempest in PvT? :o Looking forward to see how that will work out (hopefully well)
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What's Crank's plan with those tempest? Unless Taeja decided to start churning out BC's it's the absolute worst unit you can send against a Terran bio army.
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Wow, so glad for Impact. I rooted for him since I saw State of Play =)
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United States97248 Posts
all the colossi shooting the PF instead of TaeJa's army
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What happened? I stopped watching when Crank was 40 supply and essentially a base up
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Is it really wise to build that many tempests?
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On November 20 2013 01:09 syllogism wrote: What happened? I stopped watching when Crank was 40 supply and essentially a base up He built tempest instead of HT.
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Taeja's late game control is disgusting. So friggin good
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CranK lost his patience engaging that 5th base and losing his army
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i think ZombieGrub could get bigger casting gigs tbh. she's pretty good. maybe team up with Idra or something.
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Why tempests? There was no way for Taeja to get BCs, and even then HT with stalkers would probably fare better against BCs without upgrades (Taeja gets the mech upgrades very late due to econ damage he took).
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On November 20 2013 01:10 JustPassingBy wrote:Is it really wise to build that many tempests?
Costs the same as a colossus, and it takes 5 of them to one shot a single Viking (with 3 second bursts between attacks). Litterally every other unit in the Stargate was a better choice than Tempest :/
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Online tournaments require no skill. That's how nugus like impact can beat power house names like hero or why players with no first place wins can beat players like Taeja
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I never understood Tempests over Void Rays or even Carriers in those instances. They are too weak to fight huge Viking counts and there is never enough Stalker support to accomodate them.
Edit: lol ^
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Tempests do two things to a terran. First it means we can't really hide behind pforts to defend since you can poke us out. Second, it forces terran to charge onto the Protoss which leaves us ripe for storming.
Tempests are really common at that stage of a TvP and normally I think crank wins there. Taeja's just a wizard idfk.
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On November 20 2013 01:16 ladysman09 wrote: Online tournaments require no skill. That's how nugus like impact can beat power house names like hero or why players with no first place wins can beat players like Taeja da fuck is that? some strange variation of the n-word?
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On November 20 2013 01:16 ladysman09 wrote: Online tournaments require no skill. That's how nugus like impact can beat power house names like hero or why players with no first place wins can beat players like Taeja Lol what?
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It's okay guys, I reported him already
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Lets hope this is as epic as Innovation vs Taeja
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Mech on newkirk? I like. Can't help to feel that it was a mistake to sink so much gas into vikings against a bio player.
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pretty sexy game from taeja
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Ryung only had like 1 or 2 tanks to defend his 3rd. Not good enough, taeja punches through easily.
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wow. nice taeja. made it look easy.
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Heart makes sense, he defeated taeja last WCS America.
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This is essentially a must-win match for Liquid. Lots on the line in this final game
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If Liquid wins this, then mouz is out. Liquid still has to face Quantic and a win of Quantic puts them before mouz and a win of Liquid puts them also before mouz (if they win this).
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I guess Crank is the ace, he almost beat Taeja twice today already. Otherwise a TvT sniper probably
Ah Heart, gonna be interesting!
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Come on Heart, I know you have a special all-in prepared just for this special occasion! all mouz fans are standing behind you!
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Expecting something weird from Heart here. Not necessarily cheese, just some kind of funky build to catch Taeja off guard
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Canada16217 Posts
rooting for team taeja!! :D
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Ryung needed to use his hellions better if he's playing a mech style that gets tanks later than the bio player. He also should have let his banshee go to town instead of micro'ing it with his vikings, losing a lot of potential damage. One addition mech players might start doing is landing that barracks in a defensive position to constrict space.
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On November 20 2013 01:32 JustPassingBy wrote: If Liquid wins this, then mouz is out. Liquid still has to face Quantic and a win of Quantic puts them before mouz and a win of Liquid puts them also before mouz (if they win this).
Correction, if Liquid wins then only Empire Ence can stop them from advancing to the playoffs over mouz. However considering what is on the line, Liquid probably won't pull any punches Koreans and this is very unlikely...
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That was like the luckiest moment possible
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United States97248 Posts
that was such an unlucky unsiege for Heart
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What the hell was that? Taeja has the devils own luck... -.-
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HELL YEAH TAEJA
SUMMER AINT OVER YET
Playoffs hwaiting!
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Austria24413 Posts
The god of teamleagues is back!
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Wow Taeja, wow. Beautiful decision-making under so much pressure.
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wowowo i thought that doom drop was going to beat him, gg Taeja WP.
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TAEJA TAEJA TAEJA
lucky unsiege
spectacular play though too
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Shit, I hereby sacrifice my 8000th for a victory of Empire-Ence against TL...
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Canada16217 Posts
grats taeja & liquid!
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Oh, Crank, why did you have to build Tempests? Now all our hope lies in Empire-Ence.
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Is Axiom's indicator enough to guarantee a spot in the playoffs?
Nevermind, HyuN still has a match to play.
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So now what is the playoff picture like?
Axiom is definitely ahead of Mouz no matter what, and Quantic and Liquid are still in the running and have matches to play.
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Happy allkill against TL and mouz is fine.
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On November 20 2013 01:48 Bagration wrote: So now what is the playoff picture like?
Axiom is definitely ahead of Mouz no matter what, and Quantic and Liquid are still in the running and have matches to play.
quantic wins vs tl -> quantic in, mouz out tl wins vs quantic and tl wins vs empire: tl in, mouz out tl wins vs quantic and tl loses vs empire: tl out, mouz in
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United States97248 Posts
On November 20 2013 01:48 Elite_ wrote: Is Axiom's indicator enough to guarantee a spot in the playoffs? technically no because coL could theoretically make up the 12 map differential if the win all of their remaining matches big but the only team that realistically has a chance of jumping Axiom is Quantic and they have to get jumped twice to be knocked out
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On November 20 2013 01:48 Bagration wrote: So now what is the playoff picture like?
Axiom is definitely ahead of Mouz no matter what, and Quantic and Liquid are still in the running and have matches to play.
If Take is correct, Empire-Ence has to beat Liquid and Liquid has to beat quantic with a really low score (like 5-4), then mouz advances
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Still trying to work out all the possible rankings in my head. Is the tiebreaking procedure strictly by plus/minus in the map score or is the head to head taken into account?
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France7248 Posts
On November 20 2013 01:50 BlackCompany wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 01:48 Bagration wrote: So now what is the playoff picture like?
Axiom is definitely ahead of Mouz no matter what, and Quantic and Liquid are still in the running and have matches to play. If Take is correct, Empire-Ence has to beat Liquid and Liquid has to beat quantic with a really low score (like 5-4), then mouz advances he is correct and if Liquid beats Quantic, Millenium still has a small chance too (which requires Empire to beat Liquid)
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On November 20 2013 01:48 Bagration wrote: So now what is the playoff picture like?
Axiom is definitely ahead of Mouz no matter what, and Quantic and Liquid are still in the running and have matches to play. If Quantic beats Liquid, Acer, WW, Quantic and Axiom advance.
If Liquid beats Quantic, Quantic is out and the match between Empire-Ence and Liquid pretty much decides, whether Liquid or Mouz advances (except Liquid beats Quantic very high, in this case a loss to Empire-Ence might still be enough). If Millenium beats iG and col without losing more than 1 map, they could possibly surpass Mouz/Liquid as well, given Liquid loses to Empire-Ence.
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On November 20 2013 01:50 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 01:48 Elite_ wrote: Is Axiom's indicator enough to guarantee a spot in the playoffs? technically no because coL could theoretically make up the 12 map differential if the win all of their remaining matches big but the only team that realistically has a chance of jumping Axiom is Quantic and they have to get jumped twice to be knocked out
That would be the most miraculous of comebacks. 3 crushing victories in a row and playoff time.
But for the most part, Axiom is secure it seems
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On November 20 2013 01:50 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 01:48 Elite_ wrote: Is Axiom's indicator enough to guarantee a spot in the playoffs? technically no because coL could theoretically make up the 12 map differential if the win all of their remaining matches big but the only team that realistically has a chance of jumping Axiom is Quantic and they have to get jumped twice to be knocked out Yeah, if HyuN beats Liquid, Liquid is out because they can't pass Axiom in indicator and If Liquid beats HyuN HyuN is out because the rest of HyuNtic doesn't win very many games, so the only way Axiom is out is if coL beats Mill, Acer, and iG convincingly... lol
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Empire vs TL is played first, TL vs Quantic is played afterwards. Should TL manage an all-kill vs Quantic, then Empire has to win with a map difference of 3 or more (i.e. 5-2, 5-1,or 5-0). If TL wins a close series vs Quantic, i.e. 5:4, then any win of Empire is sufficient.
We should prepare for the close to worst case however, and crowdsource a prize for Empire should they beat TL wiht a map difference of 2 or more, and trust in Quantic to at least take a map off Liquid (with Liquid winning in the end). Nazgul, if you read this, we need Taeja in top form for this, so none of that flying around till you drop dead bullshit!
edit: but don't send in Taeja first, else he might all-kill Quantic! I propose you put out either Sheth or resign Jinro/Haypro/Nony to send them out.
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United Kingdom31934 Posts
Hope Quantic doesnt make it
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On November 20 2013 02:00 GumBa wrote: Hope Quantic doesnt make it I don't think anyone wants Quantic to make it... Not even HyuN fans... A one-player team in a team league shouldn't exist.
HyuN is 20-8 in this ATC season... The rest of Quantic is 8-24... and 3-1 of that is DIMAGA from the one match he played with the team as the joker... (lol, HyuN has lost the same number of games the rest of the team (and joker) have won.)
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On November 20 2013 02:02 Elite_ wrote:I don't think anyone wants Quantic to make it... Not even HyuN fans... A one-player team in a team league shouldn't exist.
Hyun would be a sick Joker though.
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On November 20 2013 02:04 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 02:02 Elite_ wrote:On November 20 2013 02:00 GumBa wrote: Hope Quantic doesnt make it I don't think anyone wants Quantic to make it... Not even HyuN fans... A one-player team in a team league shouldn't exist. Hyun would be a sick Joker though. He'd be the equivalent of what San is to Western Wolves... lol
(San is 12-4)
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So... Liquid needs to win both or to win against Quantic with a really good differential, right?
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On November 20 2013 02:08 Nightwishone wrote: So... Liquid needs to win both or to win against Quantic with a really good differential, right? They only need to win against HyuN.
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On November 20 2013 02:09 Elite_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 02:08 Nightwishone wrote: So... Liquid needs to win both or to win against Quantic with a really good differential, right? They only need to win against HyuN.
yeah, but twice. damn that ace rule, even though it saved Liquid today
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On November 20 2013 02:07 Elite_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 02:04 Bagration wrote:On November 20 2013 02:02 Elite_ wrote:On November 20 2013 02:00 GumBa wrote: Hope Quantic doesnt make it I don't think anyone wants Quantic to make it... Not even HyuN fans... A one-player team in a team league shouldn't exist. Hyun would be a sick Joker though. He'd be the equivalent of what San is to Western Wolves... lol (San is 12-4) Both Quantic and WW are super lame for hiring mercenaries.
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United States23454 Posts
Well at least HerO won a PvP TT
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On November 20 2013 02:19 Bowzar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 02:07 Elite_ wrote:On November 20 2013 02:04 Bagration wrote:On November 20 2013 02:02 Elite_ wrote:On November 20 2013 02:00 GumBa wrote: Hope Quantic doesnt make it I don't think anyone wants Quantic to make it... Not even HyuN fans... A one-player team in a team league shouldn't exist. Hyun would be a sick Joker though. He'd be the equivalent of what San is to Western Wolves... lol (San is 12-4) Both Quantic and WW are super lame for hiring mercenaries.
Every team is hiring mercenaries, it's just that good teams also train upcoming talent and help them to establish themselves into the scene.
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On November 20 2013 02:39 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 02:19 Bowzar wrote:On November 20 2013 02:07 Elite_ wrote:On November 20 2013 02:04 Bagration wrote:On November 20 2013 02:02 Elite_ wrote:On November 20 2013 02:00 GumBa wrote: Hope Quantic doesnt make it I don't think anyone wants Quantic to make it... Not even HyuN fans... A one-player team in a team league shouldn't exist. Hyun would be a sick Joker though. He'd be the equivalent of what San is to Western Wolves... lol (San is 12-4) Both Quantic and WW are super lame for hiring mercenaries. Every team is hiring mercenaries, it's just that good teams also train upcoming talent and help them to establish themselves into the scene.
Hiring "mercenaries" makes sense in this format. The BO9 revive format strongly favours teams with 1 really good ace player, vs more balanced lineups. If you don't hire a mercenary then you're just hurting your chances.
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On November 20 2013 02:42 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 02:39 JustPassingBy wrote:On November 20 2013 02:19 Bowzar wrote:On November 20 2013 02:07 Elite_ wrote:On November 20 2013 02:04 Bagration wrote:On November 20 2013 02:02 Elite_ wrote:On November 20 2013 02:00 GumBa wrote: Hope Quantic doesnt make it I don't think anyone wants Quantic to make it... Not even HyuN fans... A one-player team in a team league shouldn't exist. Hyun would be a sick Joker though. He'd be the equivalent of what San is to Western Wolves... lol (San is 12-4) Both Quantic and WW are super lame for hiring mercenaries. Every team is hiring mercenaries, it's just that good teams also train upcoming talent and help them to establish themselves into the scene. Hiring "mercenaries" makes sense in this format. The BO9 revive format strongly favours teams with 1 really good ace player, vs more balanced lineups. If you don't hire a mercenary then you're just hurting your chances.
Should have gotten Soulkey or sOs as a joker. Leverage Impact's Woongjin connections. :p Axiom crushes easily
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On November 20 2013 02:42 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 02:39 JustPassingBy wrote:On November 20 2013 02:19 Bowzar wrote:On November 20 2013 02:07 Elite_ wrote:On November 20 2013 02:04 Bagration wrote:On November 20 2013 02:02 Elite_ wrote:On November 20 2013 02:00 GumBa wrote: Hope Quantic doesnt make it I don't think anyone wants Quantic to make it... Not even HyuN fans... A one-player team in a team league shouldn't exist. Hyun would be a sick Joker though. He'd be the equivalent of what San is to Western Wolves... lol (San is 12-4) Both Quantic and WW are super lame for hiring mercenaries. Every team is hiring mercenaries, it's just that good teams also train upcoming talent and help them to establish themselves into the scene. Hiring "mercenaries" makes sense in this format. The BO9 revive format strongly favours teams with 1 really good ace player, vs more balanced lineups. If you don't hire a mercenary then you're just hurting your chances. I still think its extremly lame that WW uses San even tho they have a full roster and Quantic just isnt a team. Its like they just picked up a couple of random Koreans that wanted a chance to go to Germany.
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Once again Axiom fall to the single player. It's been a common theme across all four of our losses. TheSTC for compLexity, San for Western Wolves, ForGG for Millenium and now TaeJa for Team Liquid.
The problem for Axiom is that they have such strong strength in depth yet lack that one top tier player. Compare Team Liquid to Axiom for example. TaeJa is better than the entire Axiom roster. However, HerO aside every single player on Axiom's roster is better than everyone else on Team Liquid. Axiom have a lot of really strong players but until they have that one outstanding worldie they are always susceptible to defeats in the all-kill format.
Congratulations to Team Liquid and TaeJa for a well-fought victory. I'm a little disappointed that Axiom couldn't see the match out after being 4-2 up but am pleased that we didn't fall down to a TaeJa all-kill meaning a spot in the play-offs is all but guaranteed.
But man, CranK and Heart came so close.
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last checked this page at 4-2, wow team taeja so strong
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On November 20 2013 09:59 Crot4le wrote:Once again Axiom fall to the single player. It's been a common theme across all four of our losses. TheSTC for compLexity, San for Western Wolves, ForGG for Millenium and now TaeJa for Team Liquid. The problem for Axiom is that they have such strong strength in depth yet lack that one top tier player. Compare Team Liquid to Axiom for example. TaeJa is better than the entire Axiom roster. However, HerO aside every single player on Axiom's roster is better than everyone else on Team Liquid. Axiom have a lot of really strong players but until they have that one outstanding worldie they are always susceptible to defeats in the all-kill format. Congratulations to Team Liquid and TaeJa for a well-fought victory. I'm a little disappointed that Axiom couldn't see the match out after being 4-2 up but am pleased that we didn't fall down to a TaeJa all-kill meaning a spot in the play-offs is all but guaranteed. But man, CranK and Heart came so close.
That's why we have Axiom-Acer The best of both worlds, Axiom's depth and Acer's aces.
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On November 20 2013 10:32 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 09:59 Crot4le wrote:Once again Axiom fall to the single player. It's been a common theme across all four of our losses. TheSTC for compLexity, San for Western Wolves, ForGG for Millenium and now TaeJa for Team Liquid. The problem for Axiom is that they have such strong strength in depth yet lack that one top tier player. Compare Team Liquid to Axiom for example. TaeJa is better than the entire Axiom roster. However, HerO aside every single player on Axiom's roster is better than everyone else on Team Liquid. Axiom have a lot of really strong players but until they have that one outstanding worldie they are always susceptible to defeats in the all-kill format. Congratulations to Team Liquid and TaeJa for a well-fought victory. I'm a little disappointed that Axiom couldn't see the match out after being 4-2 up but am pleased that we didn't fall down to a TaeJa all-kill meaning a spot in the play-offs is all but guaranteed. But man, CranK and Heart came so close. That's why we have Axiom-Acer The best of both worlds, Axiom's depth and Acer's aces.
Yep, and why AxiomAcer is so goddamn dominant in the GSTL. I can't wait for the final this weekend. AxA will just stomp Azubu or StarTale. I even reckon Axiom-Acer would do well in the Proleague if that were to ever be an option (which I don't think it is).
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On November 20 2013 10:43 Crot4le wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 10:32 Bagration wrote:On November 20 2013 09:59 Crot4le wrote:Once again Axiom fall to the single player. It's been a common theme across all four of our losses. TheSTC for compLexity, San for Western Wolves, ForGG for Millenium and now TaeJa for Team Liquid. The problem for Axiom is that they have such strong strength in depth yet lack that one top tier player. Compare Team Liquid to Axiom for example. TaeJa is better than the entire Axiom roster. However, HerO aside every single player on Axiom's roster is better than everyone else on Team Liquid. Axiom have a lot of really strong players but until they have that one outstanding worldie they are always susceptible to defeats in the all-kill format. Congratulations to Team Liquid and TaeJa for a well-fought victory. I'm a little disappointed that Axiom couldn't see the match out after being 4-2 up but am pleased that we didn't fall down to a TaeJa all-kill meaning a spot in the play-offs is all but guaranteed. But man, CranK and Heart came so close. That's why we have Axiom-Acer The best of both worlds, Axiom's depth and Acer's aces. Yep, and why AxiomAcer is so goddamn dominant in the GSTL. I can't wait for the final this weekend. AxA will just stomp Azubu or StarTale. I even reckon Axiom-Acer would do well in the Proleague if that were to ever be an option (which I don't think it is).
Well, the GSTL is so light on teams this season, which is unfortunate. Azubu should be dead, FXO just lost its sponsorship and became fOu, SouL was reeling from the loss of STX...and Startale is just Startale.
I would like to see Axiom-Acer join PL, simply because they are just a level above everyone else in GSTL. Maybe they'll have a challenge in PL.
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On November 20 2013 09:59 Crot4le wrote:Once again Axiom fall to the single player. It's been a common theme across all four of our losses. TheSTC for compLexity, San for Western Wolves, ForGG for Millenium and now TaeJa for Team Liquid. The problem for Axiom is that they have such strong strength in depth yet lack that one top tier player. Compare Team Liquid to Axiom for example. TaeJa is better than the entire Axiom roster. However, HerO aside every single player on Axiom's roster is better than everyone else on Team Liquid. Axiom have a lot of really strong players but until they have that one outstanding worldie they are always susceptible to defeats in the all-kill format. Congratulations to Team Liquid and TaeJa for a well-fought victory. I'm a little disappointed that Axiom couldn't see the match out after being 4-2 up but am pleased that we didn't fall down to a TaeJa all-kill meaning a spot in the play-offs is all but guaranteed. But man, CranK and Heart came so close.
It's fine in other team leagues, but the revive rule means that one super player basically wins the series most of the time. Sniping a player can be done, but when zombie-Taeja comes back and wipes out the rest of your team, it's a little more difficult. Ideally you'd have a player that could shut that person down multiple times but without a large roster that's a bit more difficult.
I still think Axiom is one of the most well-rounded teams which is why we've been successful in team leagues up to this point, even more so when they've used a more standard format.
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I'd also recommend checking out CranK's insane warp prism immortal micro against Ret. Was just delightful.
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