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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
On October 29 2011 15:09 PikaXchU wrote: San had no AOE against MarineKing's huge marine army. I don't think any explaination is needed for the amount of DPS 20~30 marines with 2 attack can do to a zealot archon army. Archons no longer do AOE? That's news. | ||
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akalarry
United States1978 Posts
On October 29 2011 15:10 tomatriedes wrote: It's not like terran wouldn't react differently. If the toss gets colossi instead of archons the terran makes vikings and with good control can snipe some of them before the battle even starts. Having both is nice but it's hard to get enough gas for that until you have four bases or so up. colossus > marinekings build (assuming marineking didnt react and went the same unit composition) marines melt gateway units, but colossus absolutely WRECKS marines, even in the presence of vikings. | ||
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hai2u
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Heavenly
2172 Posts
On October 29 2011 15:07 eviltomahawk wrote: Oh, I thought you meant the in-game observer  I actually didn't watch that part, but maybe San thought there were more Marines out? Nope, it was CC first I thought and I didn't even see an extra SCV near the CC. He just ran his probe around in MKP's base for like 30 seconds then started attacking the SCV right before the CC completed. Just made no sense to me. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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Noktix
United States492 Posts
Also, San was pretty much stuck on 2 base. He was going double forge, he already had templar tech. He couldn't switch to colossus at any point in that game. | ||
Fionn
United States23455 Posts
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Beardedclam
United States839 Posts
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PikaXchU
Singapore379 Posts
On October 29 2011 15:11 tomatriedes wrote: Archons no longer do AOE? That's news. If only Archons move as fast as Marines do with stim? Stuff like Colossus and Storm are so much better because of the range and the larger AOE compared to Archons. | ||
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garlicface
Canada4196 Posts
Also, I feel like even a warp prism in that San vs MKP game would've been beneficial for the final engagement. Warp in ~2 rounds of zealots behind MKP's army so your archons actually have some time to get big shots off. | ||
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
On October 29 2011 15:12 akalarry wrote: colossus > marinekings build (assuming marineking didnt react and went the same unit composition) marines melt gateway units, but colossus absolutely WRECKS marines, even in the presence of vikings. You totally missed the point. I said a good terran would react after scouting. | ||
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Liph
United States151 Posts
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
On October 29 2011 15:15 PikaXchU wrote: If only Archons move as fast as Marines do with stim? Stuff like Colossus and Storm are so much better because of the range and the larger AOE compared to Archons. It's still silly to say 'no AOE'. If you had said 'not enough AOE' that would have actually made sense. | ||
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akalarry
United States1978 Posts
On October 29 2011 15:15 tomatriedes wrote: You totally missed the point. I said a good terran would react after scouting. i'm saying reacting and only making vikings wouldn't have been enough to stop a colossus build. was emphasizing how good they are against marines. | ||
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Xkalibert
United States1404 Posts
On October 29 2011 15:16 ZenithM wrote: Haha, is Oz ID "eZeZ"? Thats funny :D oZoZ | ||
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garlicface
Canada4196 Posts
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ROOTheognis
United States4482 Posts
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On October 29 2011 15:16 Liph wrote: As a random mid masters player stutter step micro is infinitely easier to pull off then constantly spreading in every place in the map as protoss without a mistake. It's frustrating to see these underdog tosses still get such an amazing concave and attacks surface area and spread properly and still lose badly. Except the surface area meant nothing when they all ended up clumped anyway as they were getting kited... Seriously, how can you expect zealot archon to win with no upgrade advantage against a tech tree that needs no improvement from the terran? | ||
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Isaac
United States810 Posts
On October 29 2011 15:19 YoiChiBow wrote: What was MarineKing's opener in the last game vs San? I didn't see it. CC first, into 2 barracks, then into 4 barracks marine marauder, with double upgrades; combat shield before stimpack. | ||
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