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On March 06 2011 03:21 Resolve wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2011 03:11 Confuse wrote:On March 06 2011 02:59 cobrastyle wrote: sorry if already mentionend, moon said that it wasn't possible to hear the crowd. dunno if he just wanted to be nice. Not to stir up trouble, but I think most people were saying that Ace just looked into the crowd and saw them cheering, not heard anything specifically. I think they can actually see out of the booth at GSL too, so is there really any way to prevent this if a player periodically peeks at the audience for the first 5-10 minutes? Does anyone know how it works? Maybe booths need a curtain... first they are up, the player is allowed a mini ceremony before the matches, then the curtain comes down and shit gets real. I don't know. I was really disappointed Moon lost that game, I love the aggressive zerg style (Kyrix/Moon/FruitDealer - I know they're all different, but aggressive in general) that looks possibly competitive, and I'd hate for it to get shut out because of external factors. In GSL, I think I remember someone mentioning that you cannot see anything outside from inside the booth as it is a one way mirror or something... Anyone care to confirm this?
You are correct and there was a picture floating around here in some thread showing that.
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On March 06 2011 03:48 vdale wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2011 02:58 FXOpen wrote:On March 06 2011 02:44 namedplayer wrote: Code S > Code A > Code B = EU top tiers > Kr ladder 3500+ > US top tiers. Logic based on IEM result.
Code S > Code A > KR Ladder 3500 > US TOP tiers & EU top tiers moonglade is 3500 ladder. And anyone equal to him would rape anyone top tier US and EU on a regular bo5 basis. Top tier US and EU outside of korea (excluding huk glade jinro haypro etc) wuld be rank 250-500 on korean ladder. And would only split top 200 with a 50% ratio. I have to admit that the Europeans didn't play well in this tournament, but I think you exaggerate. One tournament isn't enough to make such conclusions. (e.g. Naama at Dreamhack).
No he's not exaggerating that much. Any foreigner who has played on every ladder will tell you how difficult the Korean one is. Korea is getting far ahead of the foreigners. Really it shouldn't be unexpected, don't know why anyone wouldn't think Korea would be better than the rest of the world. Unless they never saw sc1.
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Stops at 42:54?!
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Oh well, Moon did absolutely great anyhow, ending up second. Well fought dude. mOOnglade did an excellent tournament as well. Grats to everyone involved and especially Ace!
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Is it just me, or the vod link that was given here cant load after the second game?
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On March 06 2011 04:21 rysecake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2011 03:48 vdale wrote:On March 06 2011 02:58 FXOpen wrote:On March 06 2011 02:44 namedplayer wrote: Code S > Code A > Code B = EU top tiers > Kr ladder 3500+ > US top tiers. Logic based on IEM result.
Code S > Code A > KR Ladder 3500 > US TOP tiers & EU top tiers moonglade is 3500 ladder. And anyone equal to him would rape anyone top tier US and EU on a regular bo5 basis. Top tier US and EU outside of korea (excluding huk glade jinro haypro etc) wuld be rank 250-500 on korean ladder. And would only split top 200 with a 50% ratio. I have to admit that the Europeans didn't play well in this tournament, but I think you exaggerate. One tournament isn't enough to make such conclusions. (e.g. Naama at Dreamhack). No he's not exaggerating that much. Any foreigner who has played on every ladder will tell you how difficult the Korean one is. Korea is getting far ahead of the foreigners. Really it shouldn't be unexpected, don't know why anyone wouldn't think Korea would be better than the rest of the world. Unless they never saw sc1.
I'm not denying that the Korean server is far stronger and that Korea is ahead of us, but I don't think that Moonglade or other 3500 Koreans would "rape anyone top tier US and EU on a regular bo5" basis. Haypro (~3500 on Korean ladder) for example was 3 weeks in Europe and he wasn't on a higher level than top Europeans.
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I don't understand why some of these tournaments don't learn from the mistakes of others... a soundproof booth is a must.
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On March 06 2011 04:58 Nadrav wrote: I don't understand why some of these tournaments don't learn from the mistakes of others... a soundproof booth is a must.
Yeah, I think Moon would have had game 2 of the finals if Ace wasn't warned by the really loud cheer.
Still, it was a great tourny. Ace totally kicked ass. Wish he had played like that in the GSL. Same with Moon. Great play from both of them. It was so nice to see Moon make plays that weren't face-palm inducing but instead were a whole lot of "whoah! that was f'n cool".
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3 Koreans. All in the top 3.
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On March 06 2011 06:02 sjschmidt93 wrote: 3 Koreans. All in the top 3. Two with very dominant performances.
But Sjow/Socke/Moonglade showed that they can hang with the best. Squirtle got out of the group with a lot of luck.
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Amazing games I do think just from watching the vod it seemed like the crowd gave too much away in game 2 that affected the outcome of that game and then consequently the series. But they both played so well the whole way through that either would have been very worthy winners, they should both hold their heads high with their performances .
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GSL players vs Non-GSL players.
We saw a big gap here in between these two sets of players. It occurs to me that the stage at the GSL and TV setup with the booth and 1 way mirrors, might be more intimidating that the stage setups at IEM's, MLG's, etc.
And when the players who have experienced the GSL, live TV setup, are in a stage setting.... they feel almost like its EZmode compared with the GSL setup.
That.. and the skill gap... but anyone else think there's something to the relative settings of the events?
I guess the crowds at the IEM's are alot bigger....but something about playing in a booth :D
anyone played in a GSL booth? whats it like compared w/ stage?
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On March 06 2011 06:54 dsousa wrote: GSL players vs Non-GSL players.
We saw a big gap here in between these two sets of players. It occurs to me that the stage at the GSL and TV setup with the booth and 1 way mirrors, might be more intimidating that the stage setups at IEM's, MLG's, etc.
And when the players who have experienced the GSL, live TV setup, are in a stage setting.... they feel almost like its EZmode compared with the GSL setup.
That.. and the skill gap... but anyone else think there's something to the relative settings of the events?
I guess the crowds at the IEM's are alot bigger....but something about playing in a booth :D
anyone played in a GSL booth? whats it like compared w/ stage? I think it was more about skill than nerves. Everyone who made it far had plenty of LAN/stage experience and even those experienced foreigners lost.
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Whoever says that the Foreign vs Koreans kill gap isn't there is definitely naive. Even IdrA says the skill gap is there (originally he said it wasn't), but he also largely attributed to the way Koreans practice as the reason they dominate so much. They have team houses and do it as a full time job. Even if there is some players who play just as much them, the team environment is the important one and that's why IdrA left to the USA to play in a similar environment. That's the reason I think Jinro is so good, he gets to play with the best players in the world in oGs in a team environment and it looks like they get along just perfect.
From the performance of the top 3, they are definitey code S material. Moon played much better than he usually does, his team mate Lyn is also doing incredibly well in Code S as well.
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Moon should had won, the cheering totally f'ed him
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Isn't Fenix from Peru? They put a Mexican flag beside him -_-
Anyway, I really enjoyed watching the tourney, specially the epic tiebreaker.
Toss hwaitin!
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The thing is, we can watch Sjow and MorroW dominate other Europeans in awesome skillful ways, and think wow they should go to Korea, they would do good. But you have to remember, how good you look during a win (or loss) is based a lot on your opponent, so the Koreans who "look bad" losing against other Koreans can still be better than the Europeans who "look amazing" against other Europeans which sort of proves that Korean skill gap. For example, MC in GSL 3 mage Jinro look like a noob in his dismantling of him, but Jinro is quite the opposite ^^
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On March 06 2011 11:39 Kazzabiss wrote: The thing is, we can watch Sjow and MorroW dominate other Europeans in awesome skillful ways, and think wow they should go to Korea, they would do good. But you have to remember, how good you look during a win (or loss) is based a lot on your opponent, so the Koreans who "look bad" losing against other Koreans can still be better than the Europeans who "look amazing" against other Europeans which sort of proves that Korean skill gap. For example, MC in GSL 3 mage Jinro look like a noob in his dismantling of him, but Jinro is quite the opposite ^^
I have this same argument when i play squash with my friends. They argue that they play really well against other people or other styles, yet against me they never seem to make the shots they normally do or bad positioning / footwork. You are more pressured / punished harder for mistakes playing against better players. No one is going to argue any of these players are horrible, they just come off bad cause we're comparing them against top top top level players.
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Was anyone else disappointed by Moon's decision to go with that kind of all-in on LT? He'd been using Hydras all throughout the tournament and finals. Close positions LT against a Forge-first build seemed absolutely perfect for a quick Hydra/ling bust. And wouldn't have been so obviously all-in.
I feel like Moon played great. Except for that one strategic decision in that one particular game.
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Forge Fast Expand ST Ace was really impressive Fun games, I wish Terrans had had more of a showing though (VERY weird coming from me ^.^)
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