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So im a zerg player, not so good I guess since im high plat level.
Anyways, I had a question regarding brood lords.
I feel brood lords to be a unit quite expensive and extremely immobile. that said, they do decent ground damage with the spawns, and i think the ability to spawn more units on the battlefield (specially against terrans) removes focus fire from other units such as mutas or even hydras.
I have heard that for Terran there is a "magic" number for the ammount of seige tanks in which they are super effective. I was wondering if there was such a thing for zerg as well?? Some "magic number"?
I have tried instances where I do a crap ton of brood lords against MM ball and it seems that all the terran has to do is focus his marines/vikings on my broods and they die rather quickly, as the broodlings seem to not do enough burst damage to his marines. Same goes when facing a stalker heavy army, all he does is blink/focus brood. I just feel like i cant reposition or micro broods, as they are... well super slow.
And other instances where i go with the typical ling/muta + broods, it just feels that broods dont really do much helping if i do 2-3 of them.
It could be thta im super mistaken, or that im using my broods in completely wrong situations? I even heard some ppl call them gglords, although I dont really feel like this statement is true.
This is considering mid-late game where both players are above that 120 food count.
Thanks for any suggestions yall have.
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There is no magic number for broodlords, the more the better. You want just enough broodlords to do the job and keep corruptors around to fight air.
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Only pokemon get "super effective" against certain types.
But seriously, broodlords rock in any amount. If your opponent sees them... he goes "oh shiiit i need AA" so they are also quite a nice unit to force something out of your opposition; or even force him to focus fire it, which potentially could be a bad move if the circumstances were in your favor.
All in all, they are not that common so I don't have a vast knowledge of how they can "tip" the game in your favor.
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3 broodlords will be able to 1 shot a marine.
4 broodlords will be able to 1 shot a hydralisk.
4 broodlords will 2-shot a stalker. (8 will 1-shot)
6 broodlords will 1-shot a missile turret, though 5 will bring it so low that broodling damage will finish it pretty much instantly.
I'd say 4-5 is a good number.
Mass marines are probably the best thing other than Air to Air that can kill broodlords because of their fast fire rate its ability to suppress broodlings, so against a marine ball you need something to block them from getting in range of your broodlords like roaches or zerglings. You could probably incorporate banelings as well, the broodlings will draw fire, and the threat of banelings will either keep the marines from advancing, or punish them if they do.
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from my experience the more the better, though a team of 5 to around 8 is going to be enough to waste even above average ground armies, park some hydras/ infestors below them aswell as a few corrupters floating around them(which you will probably have around them anyway). hydras and infestors can shut down most ground units that can pop brolords like marines and stalkers, with fungal growth and the threat of taking stupid amounts of damage. corrupters have a higher attack priority for stuff like vikings and voids, aswell as the means to hunt down air units as well as pick off collossi(which your brolords will have a hard time hitting without being exposed).
Infestors can lock down units with fungal growth so they cant retreat or advance, infested terrans are also useful if you have tons of energy.
you can also throw in pretty much any other zerg unit and your golden
roaches can help soak hits if they keep aiming for your hydras with tanks and collossi
zerglings can flank, lock down armies and keep tabs on enemy units, aswell as run into exposed areas.
banelings chew through rines hardcore, but arent really that necesary
mutas, like zerglings can harass enemy bases and allow you to keep tabs on the enemy
ultras will allow you to simply go straight at the enemy guns blazing, though are costly
queens can also be nifty, they can spread creep, have longer range than hydras for AA and can transfuse broodlords and corrupters.
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Really? so u can say incorporating like 2-3 queens can be quite interesting when using brood? i never thought of that.
Thanks all for the good info,
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The reason units like tanks and collosi have a 'magic number' or a critical mass is that at or above that number, they will pretty much one-shot anything on the ground with their combined splash and their extreme range, melting large balls in a matter of seconds.
Unfortunately for zerg (or fortunately for the other races??), there is no long range splash weapon (fungal doesn't really count).
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broods are better vs mech than they are MMM.
if your opponent has a ton of marines to focus down your broods, you should have infestors and banelings.
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I agree with Barrin with the general unit composition/numbers for adding broodlords. If the bulk of your army is your brood lords it's easy for the enemy to get in and focus fire. It's not that it's harder for him to do it if you only have 4-6, but if he's going to waste all his units running up and target firing your broodlords, the rest of your army(hydra, roach, infestor, etc) will do an insane amount of damage to his army by the time your broodlords fall because suddenly he will be in range of all your units, uncluding the units in the back. If he doesn't do this, however, you're feeding loads of broodlings in to the front lines to act as meatshields, which isn't good for him either.
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From my experience brood lords are more like killer support, in that they put your opponents into a damn annoying situation when you combine them with other units like hydras, roaches, lings, etc. Damned if you kill the brood lords, damned if you don't. This is unlike ultras which can be used by themselves. However, brood lords are once can say, deadlier because they force anti air and a zerg tech switch is so simple to make AA useless.
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Doesn't the game place you against opponents in higher leagues anyway?
Does it really matter what league you're in? Starcraft 2 isn't a glorified pissing contest, it's a video game.
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i use them as way of focing my oppoment into my infestor and baneling trap, the broodlings kinda make people ballup so 2 is enougth :/
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Lol lol lol Broodlords are useless
just get 10 hydra and attempt a hydra break at his third
you'll get to diamond doing this
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I like the siege tank analogy 
I do because just as tanks are BLs are pretty much siege weapons (just flying ones) and as with every siege weapon positioning is essential (even with flying ones)
First off there probably isnt a "real" magic number for broodlords but there are certain things to be. Like i said positioning plays a huge role, normally you will want to have something to block your opponent from getting into range to kill those broodlords but with good positioning there is actually another way.
Like with all siege weapons the perfect placement is behind a choke, well this goes for BLs just as much. If you have a choke with the usual width (about 5-6 grid squares) a number of about 10 broodlords will shut down any ground play. This is simply because at this point the broodlings will just block anything from running through and getting into range of those broodlords, but of course one has to admit that there will hardly ever be a game were you are able to get those 40 supply worth of BLs. But if you do, you get the right positioning and your opponent is too stupid to build a lot of air to air ... well then you are in for one hell of a show 
... yeah this will never happen in a 1v1 at decent level but you might be able to watch this every once in a while in those copper level 3v3s (i actually had this happen in 3v3 placements a couple of days ago where 15 BLs took out 500 supply worth of stalkers, thors, hydras and marines)
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I think a guy already said this but, if you see he's goin heavy MMM against your broodlords, get some blings in the mix, i dont feel theres to much the terran can do at that point, espically if you have like 5-7 broodlords and corruptors along with that
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On October 07 2010 10:41 Nydus Wurm wrote:
Lol lol lol Broodlords are useless
just get 10 hydra and attempt a hydra break at his third
you'll get to diamond doing this
Wow TL is really quality these days.
There is certainly an optimal number for Broodlords but they are very weak on their own against any anti-air. I always found that Broodlords, like Hydras, work best when you also have a lot of units to soak up damages from other units. A good combo of roach, hydra (for AA), and 4-5 Broodlords make a fairly strong late game army.
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Lets just all be very clear for him ...
THERE IS NO MAGIC NUMBER
Splash units greatly increase in value the more you have, zerg doesn't have splash units (with range that is) so it isn't really a concept that applies.
When using broodlords, sure get as many as you can support... and by support, I mean defend... if you are fighting a terran they they will prob coutner with vik so you need the anti air to keep the vikings away (hard because they have so much range) vs toss usually they try to coutner with ground units, so make sure you have the gound ball to keep the stalkers away-- I have to admit I rarely build more than 5 at a time but it's all up to you
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Brood Lords are just supper awesome. Yes expensive, yes immobile, but amazingly powerful. The trick I have found is not to use them against troops as much but against mech and buildings they are wonderful. The best this is that they out-range missile turrets making a couple perfect for tearing through some hard turtling from terran and letting the mutas them go to work. I like to go with just a few for support and then bring the pain with mutas or whatever you are doing.
If you position them right with your pack of mutas or corrupters defending from a distance at a back door or other weak point in defense, then just a couple will take plenty of troops away from a battle or from the front to allow you to harass with your ground force in the front. The thing with the Brood Lord at least for me is that you have to use them as a defense breaker/tank killer but not the bulk of your army by any means.
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Don't feel bad if you can't micro your broodlords well. If you watch the top replays, pros lose their broodlords "too easily" all the time. They are a powerful unit, but very hard to keep alive.
I'm not zerg, so of course I can't offer any advice on how to play them.
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Even tho you will be gas capped hard with that many brood lords u need infestors/fungal growths to make up for their lack of speed.
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the magic number is zero :D
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Queens DO sound really really cool now that I think about it...
If you up the armour on those broodlords they can be quite beefy, combine that with queens' AA and transfusion... i think we might see something interesting!!
I actually never made a single broodlord in my sc2 career... i gotta try them
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Im a bronze league dude, but I have had some success against terran mech tech. You really force them to tech switch, and when they've been upgrading factory units then switch to starport units you're going to have teh advantage. I was on scrap station did a nydus wurm into the terrans main. The worm really crippled his economy, but to my supprise he had taken my third expo and the gold minerals. He went for a push out of my third, but a second queen and some spine crawlers was able to stuff it. I expo'd to his main, and the island. When my infestors got detected by towers I went BL and got a gg after I took out the two expos. I don't know what the magic number is, but 5-7 is pretty solid. You also keep the spare corrupters in a seperate hot key and have them just follow the broodlords. That way they don't go running out in front, and die for no reason. It cost me about 3 groups of corrupters to figure that one out. When you see the vikins, pheonix, void ray, etc. you just hit your hot key drop some corruption (you can hold shift and que it up to hit a bunch of guys before the first corruption even starts), and kill all the air units targeting those BLs. Really really powerful against opponents who like to tower up and turtle to 200 food.
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around 4-5 seems to be a nice number. i opt for 4 myself (morphed in position since they're so damn slow). they'll bust whatever i need to without overcomitting on them. Then i can morph spare corruptors if need be.
When i go for heavy broodlord/corruptor though i'll get around 5 at the start and keep a high corruptor count till i can gauge their anti-air. then i'll morph morph if i feel its safe (but still liek to keep the ratio at 2 corruptors per broodlord for just in case)
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I love broodlords vs mech, 5/6 Broodlords + ultra tech, broodlord to break contains, ultra ling to run around abusing mobility at the same time, oh joyous times.
Too bad that's so situational, getting 4 bases to manage that and hope the terran doesn't really push. Works best on xel naga for me.
I also like them late game vs protoss, Broodlord/Hydra can be devastating, especially if they go a blink stalker style of play, or Broodlords can be used to break the huge protoss army and draw collossi fire aswell. I generally get a bit more vs protoss, around 6-8, but i really either rely on a more lair based army or ultras vs protoss.
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I think it is more of a question of how many other units do you need to defend your brood lords? I like to only get 3 as that is plenty to wreck almost any number of siege tanks or even thors. Then I have at least 10 mutas and ~2-3 corrupters to defend the brood lords and the corrupters to morph in case a brood lord goes down. I like to have plenty of slings/blings to mop everything up once the siege tanks have been destroyed.
Overall it's much better to have too many units defending the lords instead of too many lords, because regardless of how many you have, they will die quickly against very few vikings if your air defense dies too quickly.
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On October 07 2010 14:44 EriktheGuy wrote:
Don't feel bad if you can't micro your broodlords well. If you watch the top replays, pros lose their broodlords "too easily" all the time. They are a powerful unit, but very hard to keep alive.
I'm not zerg, so of course I can't offer any advice on how to play them.
On the flip side they are very easy to micro because they are so slow. Good brood lord mico is more about smart positioning rather than gosu micro. All you have to do is find a good spot and be sure to move them back and forth when they get attacked. They are great at abusing cliffs or map edges.
Also don't forget how awesome melee upgrades are for brood lords. I think the base broodling damage is 4 so that would make +3 a 75% damage increase for broodlords?
This makes zerg late game so awesome and flexible because you can start with sling/bling and transition to either ultra or brood lord and retain all your upgrades. I think this is really the main purpose of having broodlings instead of the old guardian booger shot.
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There is no magic number. Just get as many as you can, once you reach about 10 they are pretty much unstoppable without vikings or some shit. Also using some kind of meat shield units like hydra/muta/roach is also a good idea. Zerglings and Ultras don't really go that well together with broodlords, since the broodlings can take up space.
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I can give you some convoluted advice, but I'd rather you ask yourself "Does my question make sense?". The answer is no. Certain situations warrant 24 Brood lords, and others 4. It's situational.
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On October 07 2010 08:18 Chairman Ray wrote:
There is no magic number for broodlords, the more the better. You want just enough broodlords to do the job and keep corruptors around to fight air.
The more broodlords you have, the less corruptors. And by the time you reach them you have many units arround and the supply cap is nearing in. So usually is better to have less broodlords but more corruptors to defend than the other way arround.
5 Broodlords with support will eat trough any army provided you are in a good position.
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On October 08 2010 06:42 Chill wrote:
I can give you some convoluted advice, but I'd rather you ask yourself "Does my question make sense?". The answer is no. Certain situations warrant 24 Brood lords, and others 4. It's situational.
Pretty much. I did 4v4's last night for the Funday Monday event for Monday 11th, 2010 and I called out Brood Lords so in that case 200/200 Brood Lords was my 'magic number'. For those unfamiliar with this weeks Funday the requirement is everyone picks ONE unit on top worker units to mass, and that is the only unit they can make all game, must be done on 3v3 and 4v4. Surprisingly my team actually won most of its game going generally 'silly strats'. I made Spines all game until I got Broods, and my team had Phoenix, Infesters, and Ghosts and we still one, suffice it to say I surprised. Anyways thats really beside the point. In that game as many Broods as I could get was the right number. Some games will call for 0 Broods. If you REALLY want a number I would say 5 to 8 if they are intended as a late-game compliment to the army, and not being brought out as a direct counter to something specific.
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i use them as siege breaking units. kind of a surprise buttsecks on mech pushing terrans.
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