On April 02 2007 21:58 Wezlar wrote: I really like this months power rank, the top seems very fair, and the bottom couple really aren't worth arguing about as there's so much talent there.
Just a small correction, didn't you have nada as #2 after his Shinhan2 win? His high says 3rd, unless you're ignoring some older lists in which case ignore that.
he put the rankings savior/anytime/nada because "anytime played better in the finals".
I still don't agree with that, but whatever. past is the past.
edit: waitwait "nothing tournament" is only b/c it has no bearings on kespa or future tournaments?
theoretically, according to the logic of power rank, the prestige of tournament should not matter - it's simply a "hot or not" thing. if a ro8 win is valued more than nada's 2nd place, a superfight win/loss shouldn't be discredited.
Hmm...I think you nicely handled the NaDa/Bisu/Savior debate in the comments of the last power rank. I guess the upcoming tourneys will give them more permanent places.
Also, I saw it (lol BestFriend), but wouldn't it be nice to archive the april fool's edition of the PR someplace?
Top 3 is ok, I'd probably place NaDa over sAviOr but it doesn't really matter, everyone know what they are capable of anyway right now, either way works :-)
Midas and Iris, yeah 4rth and 5th I suppose, can't wait to see them playing more, they could probably just as well take the first spots.
Much[gm]... whatever. Nal_Ra > the above. Light[aLive], remind me who that is? Jangbi and Jaedong, interesting, or not.
According to PSL and MSL Prelims I'd chose various other players over the bottom 3 and adjust lower 5 all together, so as always this power ranking is just another forum thread to take a 3 seconds glace at and move on, nothing concrete here. Lets start the season and take it from there, I have a feeling alot of bubbles are going to get burst :-)
ZOMGZ WHERE IS DRACO ON YOUR LISTS! HE IS PRIDE OF POLAND!
I agree with most of that. No so sure about Bisu in first place, because you did say that this month the invitationals weren't really worth much so that would leave the 1st place based on his MSL win...i still think Nada is superior despite that loss this weekend.
Superfight, being an invite tournament, means nothing.
Don't argue against that point guys, because you're wrong. If you didn't work to get there, being there is meaningless.
Nice rankings. The problem with savior now is that he's clearly slumping, so putting a player over him doesn't mean they would beat him during his reign of crazy unbeatableness...but savior is going to continue to lose now for at least a month.
It's his destiny to continue to plummet down the rankings like the Nadas, Oovs, and Julys before him. Yes he was a power house, now he's tired. We'll see him start to show up again in the future boys, but get used to him sucking. He won't make it out of OSL groups, maybe he'll go deep into MSL before losing to someone random.
It's the way of the first OSL curse. Don't question it. It's taken better men than savior, many a time.
On April 02 2007 21:49 GrandInquisitor wrote: boy will you get heat for the bottom 5, but there's really no evidence anyone deserves to be there. however:
but I'm tired of the older generation of players getting all the attention.
you have rA, NaDa, mayyybe Midas is oldschool...who else? oov has no solid grasp on #10, but this isn't the reason why
inbeforemynock =D though i have to say i'd agree with him, the map imba wasn't really enough of a factor to compensate for the dismantling that nada laid on savior
Can't Argue with Nada - how can you? rA is winning - impressivelly in true rA style with fireworks and sparkles and all m- with some consistency Midas is oldschool?
Dj's explanation stands my friend.
i'm saying that the old gamers aren't really overrpresented, it's just 3 of them
On April 02 2007 22:51 ManaBlue wrote: Superfight, being an invite tournament, means nothing.
Don't argue against that point guys, because you're wrong. If you didn't work to get there, being there is meaningless.
lol...nothing?
i suppose, then, since the Rose Bowl is also an "invite game", the teams that play there "didn't work to get there" and therefore "being there is meaningless"
cmon, you can make the point that Superfight and Masters doesn't count as much as OSL, and that's a relatively defensible position, but there's no need to say it actually means nothing at all
To be fair, Jaedong's groups have always been awful and beastly for everyone involved. -_-;; I like most of the list.. except Light. -_-;; Casy it up yo. lolol -_-;;
He lost to the top 4, Savior, Nada, Iris, but beat down Bisu 2 fact stylez. -_-;; Plus his Kespa performance wasn't bad, or at least Yarc's Kespa Cup performance was better than light's nonexistant games no?
He clean swept Estro, that's pretty hot, and lost to 2nd place finisher Nada in OSL. I think I can make a strong point for Yarc, stronger than Jangbi at least.
No love for the zergs.. although given current maps and resurrected Protoss, I can see why.
On April 03 2007 01:09 Butigroove wrote: Does anyone have a screenshot of the april 1st one by any chance? I missed it
Here's the transcript:
Chojja – I’m a convert. I’ve seen the error of my ways. While Chojja may not have looked overtly impressive as of late, the Power Ranking has always been about capturing the intangible qualities of strength and, indeed, power. Chojja possesses both of those qualities, and as the best ZvT player in the world—bar none—I am proud to have him be the one to finally dethrone Savior.
GoodFriend – As far as I’m concerned, GoodFriend should be named BestFriend—mine, to be exact. I don’t know about the rest of you, but I wept openly when July somehow conjured up enough luck to beat GF on Forte back in EVER 2. Thankfully, GoodFriend wept, too, which made me feel like it was ok for me to cry. I mean, if my best, most masculine friend can shed a couple of tears, why can’t I?
Terato – I have to believe that MBC was trying to make fun of Terato when they coined him “The Architect.” I mean, ok, he does tend to make more cannons and gateways than actual units, but that doesn’t change the fact that Terato has brought one very important thing to the table for the entirety of his professional career: consistency. I leave it to you, gentle reader, to discern my meaning.
GARIMTO – I’m willing to put GARIMTO in the Power Ranking simply because of his games against Boxer back in 2001. In the PR, I’ve always done my best to consider current skill level, and it’s simply not GARIMTO’s fault that he hasn’t had a televised game in five years; I can’t penalize him for that. So I’m going off of the best data available to me, all of which suggests that GARIMTO is a true superstar who is only masquerading as an over-the-hill-gamer-with-minimal-potential-who’s-rejoined-a-game-that-has-changed-too-much-since-he-last- played-and-will-not-achieve-anything-beyond-tarnishing-the-iconic-status-he-had-previously-possessed.
Silver – There’s no denying that Silver has some serious ZvT skill, and in combination with his awe-inspiring ZvZ, I have no reservations about putting him at the #5 slot. Did anyone see his Proleague game against Hwasin on Peaks? I did. Silver dismantled him with some of the best attack-move I’ve ever seen. And did anyone see his recent Survivor League games against Nada? I didn’t; I’m just assuming that Silver came out on top. I mean, he did, right?
Anytime – At a time in progaming when so many players seem to go on incredible streaks and then be ice-cold for months upon months, it’s good to see Anytime rising above such conduct and providing consistent results week after week. He’s an inspiration to all Protoss players, proving that standard play—not one-shot builds and DTs—can be viable—if you have the skills to pull it off. And as for his power? I don’t know if anyone noticed, but he recently 2-0ed By.SaiR in the MSL Preliminaries. If that’s not power, I don’t know what is.
ForU – He somehow managed to defeat Androide. Worthy of #7? Oh yes.
Canata – Part Boxer, part iloveoov, part fashion designer, part ballerina—these are the elements that have come together to create the most over-hyped… I mean, talented up-and-comer that professional gaming has ever known. God speed, Canata!
Nal_Ra – A win with cheese is a win indeed, and although that’s only a slant rhyme, Nal_Ra’s ability to consistently find new ways to win without actually improving his micro or macro is astonishing. If he’s not worthy of the #9 slot, I don’t know who is, other than…
Nada – This one time, Nada and I went fishing together, and I was like, “Hey, Nada, can you help me untangle my line?” Kind soul that he is, Nada leaned over to help me, and that’s when I pushed him into the lake and rowed off without him. Somehow, he survived, and since then, he’s credited me with helping him discover that swimming is the best way to achieve a compete aerobic workout. That 400 APM doesn’t maintain itself!
On April 02 2007 21:59 Manifesto7 wrote: I agree that Bisu is scary as hell right now. With a month where almost no games were played, I can't think of much reason to argue with you except... Light? Come on Light has not been scary since the proleague quarterfinals. Surely there is another who has proved himself through the offline qualifiers and Kespa cup.
I see no reason for light being so high and dont understand why oov's at least 10. He's doing better lately, imo.
Midas. well.. maybe its bias but.. midas didnt do anything great for so long.. why is this guy still 5th ??
Bisu/NaDa/Savior are imho all pretty close to each other in terms of power and the future results will decide who rises and falls, cause right now their is no real advantage for anyone. They are all very close right now..
On April 02 2007 22:51 ManaBlue wrote: Superfight, being an invite tournament, means nothing.
Don't argue against that point guys, because you're wrong. If you didn't work to get there, being there is meaningless.
Nice rankings. The problem with savior now is that he's clearly slumping, so putting a player over him doesn't mean they would beat him during his reign of crazy unbeatableness...but savior is going to continue to lose now for at least a month.
It's his destiny to continue to plummet down the rankings like the Nadas, Oovs, and Julys before him. Yes he was a power house, now he's tired. We'll see him start to show up again in the future boys, but get used to him sucking. He won't make it out of OSL groups, maybe he'll go deep into MSL before losing to someone random.
It's the way of the first OSL curse. Don't question it. It's taken better men than savior, many a time.
Disagree completely, especially with the reasoning. Who cares what sAviOr could do 4 months ago? This is now.
But I especially disagree how you put sAviOr down because of the OSL curse. He WILL do fine. Mark my words.
And I even more so disagree about the invite tourneys. Those players weren't in there because of how pretty their uniforms are. Dismissing them completely like that... I dunno what the basis for that is. A game is a game, and a LOT is on stake in that game. Isn't that what progaming is all about? Playing for victory and pride when there's lots of money involved?
The only reasoning as to why the SuperFight shouldn't be all too indicative is the as yet unexplored map pool. That's it.
As for the rankings. Won't go into the sAviOr vs NaDa debate again, it has been pointed out several times in the last thread already, the maps didn't play a role whatsoever in SHM... Looks like it doesn't go through tho.
EPT
