• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 06:03
CET 12:03
KST 20:03
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT11Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book16Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info8
Community News
Weekly Cups (Feb 9-15): herO doubles up2ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/0224LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16)46Weekly Cups (Feb 2-8): Classic, Solar, MaxPax win2Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker15
StarCraft 2
General
ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT How do you think the 5.0.15 balance patch (Oct 2025) for StarCraft II has affected the game? Weekly Cups (Feb 9-15): herO doubles up SpeCial on The Tasteless Podcast Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker
Tourneys
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16) Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) WardiTV Team League Season 10 PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar) $5,000 WardiTV Winter Championship 2026
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ? [A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 513 Attrition Warfare The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 512 Overclocked Mutation # 511 Temple of Rebirth
Brood War
General
TvZ is the most complete match up Gypsy to Korea Ladder maps - how we can make blizz update them? Brood War inspired Terran vs Zerg cinematic – feed Which units you wish saw more use in the game?
Tourneys
Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 1 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates Zealot bombing is no longer popular? Current Meta
Other Games
General Games
ZeroSpace Megathread Diablo 2 thread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Ask and answer stupid questions here! Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TL MMA Pick'em Pool 2013
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
The Search For Meaning in Vi…
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2196 users

[GSL] “Hivemind” - Finals Preview and SF Recap - Page 3

Forum Index > News
188 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 8 9 10 Next All
Alou
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States3748 Posts
October 02 2010 02:22 GMT
#41
So excited for this. Staying up and enjoying it
Life is Good.
dRaW
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada5744 Posts
October 02 2010 02:24 GMT
#42
COOL HWAITING, I am hoping for a 4-2 or 4-3 for cool 4-1 for either side (or 4-0) would just be too boring. Also, having a zerg win would be awesome because Terran seemed too popular and overpowered at the moment.
I don't need luck, luck is for noobs, good luck to you though
Pandu1986
Profile Joined June 2010
72 Posts
October 02 2010 02:27 GMT
#43
OH man these are going to be some epic finals.


Both players are amazing, and after all the ranting that fruitdealer did earlier, he seems to be playing spectacularly well. (It makes me wonder what level those practice partners of his must be if he was only averaging like 10% win rate against them!!!! )

I am really rooting for Cool to win this, even though Rainbow is an amazing terran, I just want to see Cool win, he seems to have really turned the whole dynamic of ZVT or ZVP on its head.

When I watched his games I didnt get the sense of a weak zerg or an under powered zerg, just a very "zergy" zerg. Especially after he had brought up his econ to be able to produce out of his hatchs.

Anyways for those of you who are like tl;dr : Cool is amazing.
torm3ntin
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil2534 Posts
October 02 2010 02:31 GMT
#44
omfg its in less than 6 hours. so PUMPED for this!
Grubby and Ret fan, but a TERRAN player :D
Tazza
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Korea (South)1678 Posts
October 02 2010 02:33 GMT
#45
This just doesnt hype my up like a Jaedong vs Flash finals, or hell, even a Calm was Kwanro final...
Ocedic
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1808 Posts
October 02 2010 02:42 GMT
#46
Besides Tester, is there even another Korean Protoss who is on level with the best Western Protoss players? I honestly think Korean Protoss as a whole are a step below their Western counterparts, which explains the dismal showing at GSL1. I guess the question will be answered in GSL2 when HuK shows up.
Wargizmo
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia1237 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-02 02:46:49
October 02 2010 02:45 GMT
#47
re: GSL The Numbers

I'm not sure you can claim imbalance by dismissing Cool from the statistics. That's like trying to prove that black people can't play golf and then when someone says 'what about Tiger Woods' you say he doesn't count because he's an outlier.

Obviously there are a lot of strong reasons to believe that Zerg is underpowered, but you can't just dismiss one player's results entirely from the equation. If one player is able to do well with Zerg then that has to be taken into account into any balance discussion.

Information is not knowledge. Knowledge is not wisdom. Wisdom is not truth. Truth is not beauty. Beauty is not love. Love is not music. Music is best. - Frank Zappa
m40
Profile Joined August 2010
11 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-02 02:52:44
October 02 2010 02:49 GMT
#48
is there a map pool posted somewhere for the finals tonight?

edit: nvm I found it
Santi
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Colombia466 Posts
October 02 2010 02:49 GMT
#49
FRUIT DEALER FIGHTING!!!
Nightfall.589
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada766 Posts
October 02 2010 02:50 GMT
#50
If you're going to remove the top outliers, you have to remove the bottom outliers as well.
Proof by Legislation: An entire body of (sort-of) elected officials is more correct than all of the known laws of physics, math and science as a whole. -Scott McIntyre
Anfere
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada231 Posts
October 02 2010 02:53 GMT
#51
Cool Fighting ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

May the queen of blades be with you !
Immortal or no Immortal, that is the question ! Someone give me a hamlet skull !
Count_Waltz
Profile Joined April 2010
United States48 Posts
October 02 2010 02:57 GMT
#52
Hot_Bid, you so sick!!! I love your writeups! :p
sono me ni kizame ko na
SuperYo1000
Profile Joined July 2008
United States880 Posts
October 02 2010 02:59 GMT
#53
.....I am so for rainbow....Never for anyone that whines about a race being UP
sva
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States747 Posts
October 02 2010 02:59 GMT
#54
RAINBOW FIGHTING! (:
pencilcase
Profile Joined September 2007
United States330 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-02 03:04:13
October 02 2010 03:03 GMT
#55
On October 02 2010 11:42 Ocedic wrote:
Besides Tester, is there even another Korean Protoss who is on level with the best Western Protoss players? I honestly think Korean Protoss as a whole are a step below their Western counterparts, which explains the dismal showing at GSL1. I guess the question will be answered in GSL2 when HuK shows up.

Huk lost to Artosis in the IEM, who wass eliminated in the Round of 64 in the GSL. The second place finisher Idra, also lost to a Mid-level Protoss in the Round of 32. Not direct evidence, but the results do provide some insight nonetheless.
Nightfall.589
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada766 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-02 03:06:53
October 02 2010 03:05 GMT
#56
Thing is, that same mid-level protoss went on to lose because of terrible, terrible force-field placement. There seems to be a very strong correlation between bad force-fields, and defeat in TvP in the GSL.

He wasn't at all better then Idra mechanically - Idra failing to scout 6 o'clock main for 15 minutes is what lost him the game.
Proof by Legislation: An entire body of (sort-of) elected officials is more correct than all of the known laws of physics, math and science as a whole. -Scott McIntyre
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
October 02 2010 03:08 GMT
#57
Tonight's gonna be epic... thanks for the recap!! I don't think anyone expected Cool to get this far
Sanguinarius
Profile Joined January 2010
United States3427 Posts
October 02 2010 03:24 GMT
#58
Can't wait!
Your strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others -Heart of Darkness
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
October 02 2010 03:29 GMT
#59
oh man best MU I could have hoped for
Sanguinarius
Profile Joined January 2010
United States3427 Posts
October 02 2010 03:29 GMT
#60
Gotta finish this manuscript before the games start.... only 5:30 left.
Your strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others -Heart of Darkness
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 8 9 10 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 57m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SortOf 164
ProTech55
Lowko43
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 11040
Horang2 3018
GuemChi 2420
PianO 2144
Bisu 1223
firebathero 337
BeSt 319
Mini 265
Larva 260
Stork 215
[ Show more ]
Last 179
Pusan 154
Zeus 136
Rush 105
Snow 102
EffOrt 87
Backho 78
ggaemo 76
Sacsri 58
Mong 54
JulyZerg 50
ajuk12(nOOB) 41
scan(afreeca) 33
Light 30
Shinee 29
910 27
NaDa 24
Free 23
Movie 22
ZergMaN 21
Purpose 19
GoRush 14
Bale 13
Noble 13
Barracks 12
Terrorterran 11
sorry 11
SilentControl 8
Dota 2
Gorgc1003
XaKoH 662
Counter-Strike
olofmeister1465
zeus911
edward89
kRYSTAL_57
Other Games
Liquid`RaSZi1032
singsing387
Fuzer 158
crisheroes103
Mew2King99
Trikslyr22
B2W.Neo11
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL14097
Other Games
gamesdonequick694
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 128
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• LUISG 40
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• escodisco136
• iopq 10
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Stunt915
• HappyZerGling121
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Winter Champion…
57m
Replay Cast
12h 57m
PiG Sty Festival
21h 57m
Maru vs Bunny
Classic vs SHIN
The PondCast
22h 57m
KCM Race Survival
22h 57m
WardiTV Winter Champion…
1d
OSC
1d
Replay Cast
1d 12h
PiG Sty Festival
1d 21h
Clem vs Percival
Zoun vs Solar
Epic.LAN
2 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
2 days
PiG Sty Festival
2 days
herO vs NightMare
Reynor vs Cure
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
Epic.LAN
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
PiG Sty Festival
3 days
Serral vs YoungYakov
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Wardi Open
5 days
Monday Night Weeklies
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
WardiTV Winter Champion…
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

C-League Week 31
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
WardiTV Winter 2026
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: King of Kings
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 1st Round
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 1st Round Qualifier
Jeongseon Sooper Cup
Spring Cup 2026: China & Korea Invitational
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round Qualifier
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
PiG Sty Festival 7.0
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
FISSURE Playground #3
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.