[GSL] “Hivemind” - Finals Preview and SF Recap - Page 10

Lotar

132 Posts

October 04 2010 06:13 GMT

#181

On October 03 2010 05:42 Craixs wrote:
Lol it is not fair to just take out cool in the racial statistisks then take out some other players to make it look good lol

It makes perfect sense to remove the top two players from the statistics. In theory, you'd have to remove the bottom two as well, but you can't do that for an elimination tournament.

SlayerOfYou

58 Posts

October 04 2010 14:46 GMT

#182

On October 04 2010 13:04 Wayra wrote:
too much racial balance talk...can't you just write about the games?

I agree, it sounds like the writer is clearly a jaedong/fruit fan, not saying im not but i believe the game is nearly balanced. I feel like half the reason people claim OP is because they have hopped on the idra band wagon for making excuses of why they r losing. Also in his game against silver on lost temple i think it is just retarded to say imbalance on a map like that, the ledge on that map near the natural expansions have always been abused by players, either by cannon cliffing or lurk/tank drops. So it should just be expected, i mean wasnt that the whole reason people changed from LT to Luna anyway?

Schnullerbacke13

Germany1199 Posts

October 04 2010 17:01 GMT

#183

there is no "fruitDealer style" of Z. He clearly gambled on adjusting his builds to his opponents by good preparation, you can't do that on ladder. A lot of his openings would have been crushed if his opponents where somewhat unpredictable.

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Braavos36400 Posts

October 04 2010 17:01 GMT

#184

On October 04 2010 13:04 Wayra wrote:
too much racial balance talk...can't you just write about the games?

I could have done that, but ignoring one of the larger storylines of the finals is a disservice to fans. Whether or not the game is balanced can be argued, but I believe pretending the discussion doesn't exist is irresponsible.

Lonyo

United Kingdom3884 Posts

October 04 2010 17:55 GMT

#185

There's a serious problem with this in one way.
It overlaps two patches.

It would be interesting (although not necessarily accurate due to a smaller playerbase/number of games) to do pre-patch vs post-patch statistics.
Because some games were played after the changes, overall statistics don't help much when the patch(es) changed things by buffing/nerfing various units. (Also Desert Oasis even though it was only played 4 times).

GSL2 will be more accurate assuming there are no more balance patches mid-way through competition.

(On the patch changing things, one example would by AugustWeRRa's rush to BCs. Not quite so viable post-BC nerf).

The Dice

Germany5 Posts

October 04 2010 20:22 GMT

#186

How to proof Zerg is UP:
First you wanna take a look at an important tournament.
All matchups except PvT seem to be pretty fine. And after all T OP, Z fine and P UP. Hmm didnt work.
Nevermind, lets just remove the best T and best Z. Hey P is fine and Z UP. Well done.
One might argue that there wasnt a dominating P that was worth remove. But, maybe Toss is just to UP for a P to do well.

I do not want to say Zerg is fine or Protoss UP. (T is OP tho :/ )
However you cant just leave two players out and then judge the outcome.

shiftY803

200 Posts

October 05 2010 18:21 GMT

#187

I liked his look at the numbers even if they aren't statistically significant yet. I am going to come right out and say that I believe Terran is overpowered at the pro level, but that isn't based on hard data. That is more of an opinion than anything else. Time will tell.

In any case, math is sort of what I do for a living (statistics). I would say that the main thing one can take from the tournament is that the game's balance isn't too bad at the pro level. The main reason I say this is that outliers such as Cool exist at all. Unless his skill is just far and away better than everyone else (hard to judge this, of course), his 11-1 record could be showing that the game is not so unbalanced that it cannot be overcome with skill. If the numbers eventually prove the alleged Terran imba, blizzard will obviously need to do something. Forcing one race to have more skill to be on an even footing with another would not be a fair situation when $$$ is on the line.

Back in War3 days, there was a time when a properly played NE literally could not lose to Orc, no matter how good they were. We don't have that situation here, and kudos to Blizzard for arriving at such a balanced state so quickly.

Gruntt

United States175 Posts

October 06 2010 07:09 GMT

#188

I think fruitdealer is so good that maybe he needs to apologize for playing his race!

Gruntt

United States175 Posts

October 06 2010 07:23 GMT

#189

it's clear that early and correctly played ling/roach just beats back protoss gateway units.

and sorry terran... u have to make units from your barracks.... and yes... zerg will always have banelings

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