• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 01:00
CEST 07:00
KST 14:00
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Turning of the Tide: When Neeb Won KeSPA Cup 20169[ASL15] Ro16 Preview Pt2: Awestruck19[ASL15] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Whirlwind12WTL 2023 Summer - Qualifiers Preview + Power Rank18[Interview] Dewalt22
Community News
Gamers8 to have $500,000 prize pool for SC2 & BW46Gamers8 to have $500,000 prize pool for SC2 & BW46Ascension: World Tour292023 GSL Season 1 (Qualifiers)4ESL Open #167: Dark, Clem, MaxPax win1
StarCraft 2
General
Buy Cenforce 200 Wholesale From Medzvilla Gamers8 to have $500,000 prize pool for SC2 & BW How much are you willing to pay a year for StarCraft esports content? Turning of the Tide: When Neeb Won KeSPA Cup 2016 2023 GSL Season 1 (Qualifiers)
Tourneys
[WTL 2023] Summer Qualifier and Code A Grand Platypus Open (EPT Asia Region) RandomHyperTWOs: a modded 2v2 tournament The next National/Regional Cup hosted by SSL Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
[H] (PvP) WTF Nexus rush into recall probe/zealot
Custom Maps
[A] Proxy Rush [A] SC Real Scale
External Content
Mutation # 362 Catch the Train Mutation #219 Hardware Malfunction Mutation # 361 And Drops and Rifts Mutation # 360 Double Trouble
Brood War
General
[24H] mmr bot on USWest Mr. ZZZero. O, please consider my proposal for BSL BW General Discussion [ASL15] Ro16 Preview Pt2: Awestruck [Update] ShieldBattery: League Support!
Tourneys
Ascension: World Tour [ASL15] Ro16 Group D Small VOD Thread 2.0 New Worlds Map Contest III: Top 12 (VOTE HERE)
Strategy
Starcraft Remastered Build Orders February 2023 Carriers or arbiters
Other Games
General Games
Frost Giant announce Stormgate The PlayStation 5 Fire Emblem Path of Exile Diablo IV
Dota 2
Official Dota and Chess General Discussion Lima Major 2023
League of Legends
[Patch Notes] Release General Discussion Elo Boosting: discussion, problems, and Solutions LiquidLegends to reintegrate into TL.net
Heroes of the Storm
HotS: WP and Funny Moments
Hearthstone
TL Mafia
Active List of Mafia Games 2.0 TL Mafia Community Thread Liquid Arcanon News [0]Paper Team Liquid Maria L TL Mafia Idea Factory
Community
General
NASA and the Private Sector Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Bitcoin discussion thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread US Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The Scarlett Fan Club The Phredxor Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Korean Music Discussion [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2022 - 2023 Football Thread 2021 NFL/CFB Season Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2022 UFC/MMA Discussion Thread
World Cup 2022
FIFA World Cup Qatar 2022 Thread
Tech Support
Installing hard drives Wireless router malfunctioning? how to play music while streaming with xsplit
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts Happy Birthday R1CH! Ask TL Staff Anything
Blogs
Ed Sheeran's latest song Ey…
Jubinell
Long time coming for a bri…
Alakaslam
Hi rather desperate p…
WeddingEpisode
Return of CranKy Du…
CranKy Ducklings
TL Currency Converter Mafia…
Minely
An ex-schizoid's u…
ApatheticSchizoid
20 years plus!
FuDDx
ASL 15 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1089 users

[TSL] 3rd/4th and Finals Hype

Forum Index > News
49 CommentsPost a Reply
1 2 3 Next All

[TSL] 3rd/4th and Finals Hype

Text byPlexa
February 27th, 2010 13:19 GMT
[image loading]

With the Starcraft II beta opening last week, it has rapidly become apparent that the days for Brood War are numbered. We could be looking at our last ever seasons of the OSL and MSL – although realistically that unlikely. What is certain though, the PokerStrategy.com TSL is the last major foreign event for BroodWar. Players will never again get their shot at the big money in Starcraft, and titans like Idra and ret will never win a SC TSL title.

We have only two matches remaining for foreign Starcraft – the 3rd/4th playoff and the PokerStrategy.com TSL Final. Both look to be exciting matchups, but we’ll talk about those in depth later on. The players who have made it this far couldn’t be more fit for the dying matches of BroodWar. In the 3rd/4th playoff we have the former TSL Champion IefNaij against the monstrous Sen. In the final we have the Mechanical Mastermind, Nony, up against the Genius German, Mondragon.

IefNaij has a very quiet year in Starcraft due to his commitment to real life, but he’s proven this season that if you were once good, you can get good again in no time. With minimal practice he has bested the likes of Terran and White-Ra before falling to Nony in the semifinal. These are impressive feats consider both Terran and White-Ra boast intense practice schedules. His ability to come back from nothing – both outside of the game and inside of a best of 5 series (as seen in his two 0-2 comebacks) – is extremely impressive and he is fully deserving of a top four placing.

Sen has been a great Zerg for a very long time now sporting a very ‘exploitative’ style, for lack of a better word. Sen is one of those players who is able to exploit a weakness in the opponent style with deadly precision. We saw him execute this against ret in his very close 3-2 win in the Round of 8 – he was able to take advantage of a small weakness in ret’s game and thus proceed to the semifinals. He couldn’t take on the genius of Mondragon in his match, but that’s not much discredit considering his opponent was Mondragon after all! In addition to being ‘exploitative’ he has refined mechanics and solid macro to boot – he really is the complete package.

The IefNaij vs Sen series is going to be peculiar to say the least. IefNaij has stated that he is least confident in his PvZ, but going by his track record this isn’t a claim I would take very seriously! Meanwhile, Sen absolutely demolished Draco in the Round of 16 so we know that Sen’s ZvP is right up there. There is a lot at stake here, over $1,500 worth, so I’m sure IefNaij will bring his best game to the party and give everything he’s got to try and win.

Unfortunately, I can’t just sit on the fence and say that both players are great and that I hope they have a good time and play some good games! One player is going to have to win this playoff, and I have to put my money on Sen. Despite his 0-3 loss to Mondragon, throughout the entire TSL Sen has looked mighty impressive. In particular, his series against Draco is a good example of why I think his ZvP is in excellent condition at the moment. IefNaij has been running on minimal practice and traditionally has a weaker PvZ – this puts him on the back foot in my opinion.

Is Sen going to have an easy time taking out IefNaij? Not by any means. IefNaij has shown that he is willing to fight hair tooth and nail to stay in this competition. I’m sure he will be playing the very best Starcraft he can and thus I think the series is going to go to a fifth game. Sen will probably have the edge on Fighting Spirit and Destination but I feel that Outsider suits IefNaij’s style better and Tornado is a map Sen is probably least experienced on nullifying a tiny bit of the practice advantage Sen has over IefNaij. Andromeda is a little bit of a Z>P map and is going to provide a fitting battle ground for the conclusion of the series. I expect an epic showing (hopefully with Sair/Reaver and Devourers !!) but with Sen eventually taking the series.

[image loading]

Now let’s look to our finalists. Nony is a hero on TeamLiquid, and rightfully so! He is a member of clan Liquid` and occasionally streams his games for us. Furthermore, he has dabbled in Progaming and easily looked like the most promising player to go to Korea in a long time. You simply do not fluke getting 2nd in Courage on your first try! Nor do you leave an impression on a Proteam like Nony did – what with his open invitation to go back and how he was able to help Sangho prepare for some PvP matches.

Nony’s strength lies in his preparation, builds and mechanics. While not as refined as someone like Idra, Nony’s mechanics are still amongst the best in the scene. Furthermore, he is one of the few players who is actually able to practice against a computer and get something useful out of it – in fact he did this at WCG 2008 when they didn’t have an internet connection (as did Stork). Nony is a force to be reckoned with, and his miraculous return to form over the past month has been absolutely outstanding and a pleasure to watch. Nony is the real deal, and he has his sight firmly set on the TSL grand prize of $10,000.

If Nony’s greatest strength is his mechanics, then Mondragon’s biggest strength is his brain. Here we have the classic showdown of Mechanics vs Mind – and what a fitting way to end Starcraft’s life. Mondragon has been hailed as the best ever foreign Starcraft player, and for good reason. For a very long time he was considered the undisputed #1 Foreign player since he just dominated everything he played in. His ZvP had a formidable reputation, in fact he was even able to defeat ZeuS 2-1 in a Blizzard showmatch in 2005 (MMI). While Mondragon may claim that his ZvT is his best at the moment, when your ZvP was that good, it shouldn’t be hard for him to regain that glory once again.

Day[9] has talked a lot about Mondragon’s crisis management, and indeed, this is one of his strongest attributes. But something else I’ve noticed throughout the TSL is how Mondragon grows from series to series. He has looked stronger and stronger every week and that is why he is here in the Finals today. Any holes that were present in Mondragons game at the start of this tournament are now gone. For instance, his macro was slightly off against Brat_OK – completely fixed for his match against Fenix. But one thing has stayed consistent throughout his TSL run and that is his impeccable use of Defiler – his reaction speed is insane and he is getting those swarms and plagues off almost before the battle has begun. I’m really excited to see what strategies Mondragon is going to pull out in a Bo7 final for $10000.

Again, I am forced to make a prediction here. This showdown between Mechanics and the Mind is going to be incredibly interesting to watch for a number of reasons. Both players are not one trick ponies – Nony knows how to make a strategic play (after all that how he overcame Idra) and Mondragons mechanics are nowhere near subpar – they are very very good. However, if there is one thing that WaxAngel has taught me over the past few months it is that in tournaments the “best” player doesn’t always win, it is the player who is able to take that risk and gamble with a strategic play and simply outplay his opponent on the day. Mondragon is able to do that and I think that he will be able to play the Bo7 as a more “complete” series in the sense that he will be more in control of the flow of the series with strategically placed strategic plays. Thus, I think he will be able to take series 4-3.

This is the last tournament for foreign Broodwar and will be something you remember for the rest of your life. Sure there is a Gold Medal ice hockey match going on – but you can see that again in another 4 years! This is Starcraft. This the game we have grown up with, adored, and a watched for hours upon hours upon hours. You were never get the opportunity to witness Starcraft like this ever again, this truly is a once in a lifetime experience. Disregard everything else that is going on in your life, you can catch up on that later... Come and watch the TSL finals on Sunday at 2pm EST – it’s your last chance to witness the beauty of foreign Starcraft and an opportunity to witness history in the making.

It’s been a long road, but we are finally here. Tune in for Mondragon vs Nony on Sunday – I assure you you will not regret it for an instant.
Facebook Twitter Reddit
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
Aesop
Profile Joined October 2007
Hungary11230 Posts
February 27 2010 13:23 GMT
#2
Oh yes!

Everyone is stressing the constancy Mondragon has been playing with. But actually you also have to credit him for being at his overall elo-peak (see: http://www.teamliquid.net/tsld/players/). He is in a 2nd/3rd/4th/nth spring at the moment!
ModeratorNon veritas sed auctoritas facit legem. | Liquipedia: Don't ask me, I'm retired.
LorDo
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden485 Posts
February 27 2010 13:24 GMT
#3
I sure will tune in go nony!
mcneebs
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada391 Posts
February 27 2010 13:28 GMT
#4
Really? SC:BW is dead in the water just like that? I thought there'd be tourneys for a year or two still; hell, at least until SC2 has been "balanced".
You do it to yourself. Just you. You and no one else.
Monokeros
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States2493 Posts
February 27 2010 13:30 GMT
#5
Gogo Mondragon
Keep the Dream Alive twitch.tv/monokerros
member1987
Profile Joined February 2010
141 Posts
February 27 2010 13:32 GMT
#6
gogo monony
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13017 Posts
February 27 2010 13:33 GMT
#7
Good read.... but i dont like how you already convicted sc as a dead game. SC will always be alive because i will not stop playing it and so as many ppl so even if we lose 80-90% of today SC players im still gonna play/watch vods because I ENJOY doing it.

SC will never die maybe will lose in popularity so everybody stop "killing" the game we love lol
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
Navane
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Netherlands2690 Posts
February 27 2010 13:48 GMT
#8
Oh and I will be there and witness!
ShroomyD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Australia245 Posts
February 27 2010 13:51 GMT
#9
I'd fund a foreign tournament with my savings just to spite what you have said! But perhaps... later... yeah.

Good work on the article, nice read!
아나코자본주의
drug_vict1m
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
844 Posts
February 27 2010 13:52 GMT
#10
im so hyped for the finals! at this moment it doesnt matter who wins, i just want good games.
One must feel chaos within, to give birth to a dancing star.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
February 27 2010 14:07 GMT
#11
On February 27 2010 22:33 SkelA wrote:
Good read.... but i dont like how you already convicted sc as a dead game. SC will always be alive because i will not stop playing it and so as many ppl so even if we lose 80-90% of today SC players im still gonna play/watch vods because I ENJOY doing it.

SC will never die maybe will lose in popularity so everybody stop "killing" the game we love lol

I doubt you're going to have the competitive base outside of korea to sustain tournaments. I'd happily be proven wrong, but I just dont see it happening (note how many of the top bw players are massing SC2 atm and not looking back). No company will want to sponsor sc outside of korea when you have sc2 either.

SC will live on in Korea for atleast a year, probably longer but it all depends on how they take up the game. But really, this is going to be the the last truly major foreign tournament and to think otherwise at this stage is naive.
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
ankurra
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Germany46 Posts
February 27 2010 14:55 GMT
#12
they both look so stoned on that banner!

nice writeup
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
February 27 2010 15:24 GMT
#13
Nony fighting!

They should just both get 7.5k each because they're both so good
Hey! Listen!
ReiKo
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Croatia1023 Posts
February 27 2010 15:47 GMT
#14
gogo
saritenite
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Singapore1680 Posts
February 27 2010 15:54 GMT
#15
): Plexa, don't count BW out yet!

(thanks)

GO MONDRAGON!
Captain Peabody
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2929 Posts
February 27 2010 16:08 GMT
#16
Great writeup, really looking forward to the games. This has been the best foreign tournament ever, for sure;' and I can't wait for the climax.

GO NONY!
Dies Irae venit. youtube.com/SnobbinsFilms
WaveMotion
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States147 Posts
February 27 2010 16:09 GMT
#17
yeah enough with the death of BW. S2 will fail and you all know it. that being said this should be an awesome series.
In heaven, everything is fine.
HeteroHero
Profile Joined August 2006
Romania2 Posts
February 27 2010 16:14 GMT
#18
With the Starcraft II beta opening last week, it has rapidly become apparent that the days for Brood War are numbered.


I stopped reading here.
Phyre
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1288 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-27 16:27:46
February 27 2010 16:26 GMT
#19
On February 28 2010 01:14 HeteroHero wrote:
Show nested quote +
With the Starcraft II beta opening last week, it has rapidly become apparent that the days for Brood War are numbered.


I stopped reading here.

Same.

You know, SC:BW might have more of a fighting chance if all the pundits quit throwing out such doomsday and defeatist rhetoric. Where is the TL overcome all attitude? SC:BW will live forever!

Seriously, SC:BW has survived for over a decade through WC3 and tons of other RTSs not to mention all the people that jumped ship to poker, dota, and WoW. Give it a bit more credit where credit is due.
"Oh no, I got you with your pants... on your face... That's not how you wear pants." - Nintu, catching 1 hatch lurks.
xfi
Profile Joined February 2010
23 Posts
February 27 2010 16:46 GMT
#20
I really didn't like the "sc:bw days are numbered" To be honest I think sc2 is over done.. i could be wrong because i am not "pro", therefore I havent actually played it and i realize everyone has waited so long and is very excited. It just seems like a diffrent game from all the vods I have watched, but it seems like sc:bw would just have a better feel to it..Not to mention of tons of unbalances I've heard about, not to say SC doesn't have its unbalances but they have had ages to work on SC2. I don't think people will play SC2 untill its balanced out.
1 2 3 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 5h
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Forgg! 123
CosmosSc2 77
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 18720
Terrorterran 395
Shinee 337
Mong 306
Snow 114
Noble 21
IntoTheRainbow 11
Bale 9
Hm[arnc] 6
Dota 2
febbydoto120
ROOTCatZ27
League of Legends
JimRising 911
Counter-Strike: Global Offensive
summit1g15552
C9.Mang0635
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox3410
Other Games
tarik_tv48708
Fnx 1196
WinterStarcraft664
FrodaN390
feardragon57
Liquid`Ken38
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream7457
Other Games
gamesdonequick1412
Counter-Strike: Global Offensive
ESL CS:GO883
StarCraft 2
Esl_sc2123
ESL.tv123
Dota 2
BeyondTheSummit75
StarCraft: Brood War
StarcraftVOD2
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 40
• HorussTv 34
• practicex 27
• Light_VIP 10
• Migwel
• Alpha X_
• aXEnki
• intothetv
• Gussbus
• Kozan
• Poblha
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamez Trovo
• Laughngamez YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
• STPLYoutube
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV978
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5h
WardiTV Winter Champion…
6h
PassionCraft
12h
Korean StarCraft League
22h
WardiTV Winter Champion…
1d 6h
Big Brain Bouts
1d 11h
Grand Platypus Open
2 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
2 days
Stats vs RagnaroK
ByuN vs SpeCial
herO vs Classic
RagnaroK vs SpeCial
ByuN vs Stats
Solar vs Cure
herO vs Cure
Classic vs Solar
CSO Cup
2 days
ESL Pro Tour
2 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Korean Royale
3 days
Scarlett vs NightMare
Maru vs GuMiho
Dark vs DongRaeGu
NightMare vs GuMiho
Maru vs Scarlett
Ryung vs Creator
Dark vs Ryung
DongRaeGu vs Creator
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
ESL Pro Tour
4 days
ESL Pro Tour
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

XiaoShuai vs Stork
PiG Sty Festival 3.0
Tournament by teenyeu #2
ESL Pro League Season 17

Ongoing

FS Mania
CWCL Season 6
BWCL Season 58
Copa Latinoamericana
ASL Season 15
Spring Cup Season 4: China
Individual Silver League
Spring Cup Season 4
KCM Ladies Race Survival 2023 Season 1
KCM Race Survival 2023 Season 1
KOR-CHN Invitational League 11: Sea vs XiaoShuai
WardiTV Korean Royale
WardiTV Winter 2023
NGS Storm Division S6
Calamity Cup Division A - Season 5
META Madness #7
BLAST Premier Spring AME Showdown
BLAST Premier Spring EU Showdown

Upcoming

BSL StarCraft 25 years Anniversary Celebration Tournament
DHM Summer
ESL Summer: Europe
ESL Summer: Asia
ESL Summer: Americas
WTL 2023 Summer
LTK Thunderball
Nations Cup 2023
NC 2023 - EU Quals. - 2nd Stage
NC 2023 - EU Quals. - 1st Stage
NC 2023 - EU Quals. - CB
BLAST.tv Paris Major 2023
ESL Challenger Melbourne 2023
IEM Rio 2023
BLAST.tv Paris 2023: EU RMR B
BLAST.tv Paris 2023: AME RMR
BLAST.tv Paris 2023: EU RMR A
BLAST.tv Paris 2023: APAC RMR
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2023 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.