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HeavOnEarth : + Show Spoiler + BloodyCobbler: + Show Spoiler + OK first off I AM RUNNING FOR OFFICE I am already seeing idiocy of players that has led to many vets getting insanely discouraged with playing these games. I appreciate Plexa for trying to make this game interesting with the addition of different roles, tweaking how some work, and the addition of fog. Now lets outline why I should be in office. Weather I'm already seeing debate on weather, and You guys are saying opt for rain? We have two medics, each have an extra life, and they can protect people. Historically medics have sucked more than any other role in the game, IE don't depend on them early game, how hard is this to understand, MEDICS DO NOT WIN GAMES. This instantly gets rid of the damn rain option. Next we have sunny which allows our assassins to attack. If you guys vote for this I will kill you. EVEN IF they hit a mafia, which we all jump and joy in, there is a chance they hit the godfather, and guess what, this means the godfather role gets given to another mafia and we have to find the damn guy again, way to much effort, so sunny isn't an option we want, also vigi roles aren't always reliable, lynches are where we have to win, so SUNNY is out. Next we have snow, snow is useful for hey additional clues. Guess what, most of the top clue analyzers from all previous games aren't in this one, IE the amount of people benefiting from these clues is so damn small its not worth voting on, so we ignore snow. This leaves fog, ie WE SPAM FOG. All greens should be voting fog every day to keep it going. It removes the pledges kp from the mafia. So if there would be at least 1 possibly as high as 3 or 4 pledges. This will reduce a KP from the mafia meaning 1-2 less people die at night. THAT IS A GUARENTEE. Medics are not guarenteed to protect so this is a safer bet. So we spam fog until the pledges are all dead, then move on to a different weather. Also note, with fog reducing the mafia KP, the suicide bomber will be less likely to use his ability as it removes even more kp from them. Leadership In most games I have played, I have worked in some way in town circles working for the benefit of the town, many times leading to a win for the town. This gives me the experience to help lead the town and help keep it organized. The towns in the last few games have been reduced to very small voices screaming at a mass of chaos and leads to failure, it has to stop. I would make an excellent choice for the leadership purely based off my experience at keeping some form of order. Untop of that, for once I am one of a very few in terms of a specific skill. I, as ive said in other games, clue analyze. Out of the current player base of this game, Myself and Pyrr are most likely most known for spending time on clues (there may be one or two people from pyrr's game , but i didnt pay much attention to it). This means either him or myself should have the bg protection purely to keep us alive to use that skill. I will do my best to keep us alive. Double Lynch I will make sure we get these used on top mafia targets, IE if we have two insanely guilty looking people, double lynch will be used. We wont have to worry about constantly voting for double lynch one day, then worrying mafia stop it. IT WILL GET USED and by god it will get by the town. These are merely a few points, but seriously with the debate of what to vote on for weather, A strong player is needed as the emperor or we are all fucked. Vote for me but more importantly VOTE FOR FOG L: + Show Spoiler + Fog or Snow are the obvious only choices for Day 1. Snow on days 1 and 2 might give us a very solid clue set from which to work from. The only thing I worry about regarding an auto-fog vote is the inability to cross check for pledges later on. Basically you guys need to weigh the value of additional clues versus 2 extra kills. Remember that resurrection means that reducing mafia KP is more important, since we can approach a break-even point much quicker. With that said, this is the only day that Cover is not active. From tomorrow onwards, mafia will likely attempt to get DTs to check covered targets, which means that a double check on the godfather knocks more than both our DTs out; It could also very well confirm a number of mafia as blue, and likely end the game. So would Godfather attempt to run for Emperor and draw DT checks to himself? I would if I were him. Having said that. I will run for emperor, largely to split the vote and give us at the very least solid lists to check. I'm not going to bother putting up a fancy platform, because quite frankly we really don't have enough information on mafia numbers or any clues with which to form a decent plan. As with the previous game I was in, I plan on setting up a situation that assures us kills during double lynches on days 3 and 4. Note that our DTs cannot confirm roles; they only get the ability to determine Mafia/Not mafia. Because of this, It is my opinion that after day 1's 'checks' happen to form circles of trust, we co-ordinate vote list information, and have multiple cross checks to make sure no one is providing false information. There is, however, a problem with that. Given Godfather Emperor, Dts can never be certain that the 'other DT' they're told about is the real one. If they doubt and don't role check, Godfather can use DT cover and then we have a situation in which detective info can be faked. This, however, is a foolish gambit; if the fake DT is not mafia, he will not be able to provide the true DT with a vote list to check alongside the list published in the thread, and if he is mafia, reds cannot kill DTs singly without having the other unmask 2 mafia worth 1.5 kp. Essentially the gambit is useless, unless the mafia want to keep the DTs alive, but that would result in a crushing amount of cross checked vote lists. So, given the fact that the alternative is fucking stupid as shit, Emperor or whomever DTs end up trusting needs to reveal the existance of the other DT. DTs NEED to be sure to check before night starts, however, and we cannot fuck the timing up. In this way, a mafia godfather cannot falsify vote-lists even if a DT replies late and the Godfather is forced to post during night. All of that said, there are some intentional 'mistakes' left in this plan, and a few potential gambits the mafia could use against it. Feel free to find them. Platform posts in the spoilers. I'll update as things are added, either in this post, or in another post if people don't want to see too many edits. With that said, Wouldn't really consider HeavOnEarth at the moment due to a lack of platform. Both BC and L have experience and sound platforms, with Pyrry supporting BC. | ||
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Only thing it would do is give our assassins the ability to kill. When we don't have any decent leads, at all. All the other weather options would be superior at this point in the game. Only reason I'm even giving this a reply is because you say you aren't trolling, so if you aren't, what's your reasoning? | ||
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On July 04 2009 03:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote: One mystic checks me, one checks L or mbh. very low chance on any of us being the gf, and impossible for all 3 to be gf, ie if both people checked come back as no to the "are they mafia" then guarenteed one, if not both are safe. Only problem there is that the mystics could potentially check the same person. Just have to be left up to luck, I guess, in who they decide to check. | ||
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Please note no special abilities (except for weather voting) can be used on Day 1. Assassinations cannot take place on Night 2. And from Plexa's post on page 10: When do I activate my ability? Please PM Plexa with your selected choice of ability during the Day. So mafia has tonight to get lucky with hits, and tomorrow dts can role check. Town is essentially screwed if both L and BC are mafia aligned, and one of them is Godfather. Godfather can use cover on the other, and they'd both pop up town aligned. That's if I'm understanding the rules correctly. Either way, it makes it harder for the dts when they can act, as not only is there the risk of Godfather, but also the risk of cover. It might even make more sense to randomly rolecheck someone. They'd have a 1/38 shot of getting the Godfather, but if it was someone who has been kinda low-key, I wouldn't see the Godfather wasting cover on them. | ||
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I'll look over the post in a minute and see if anything jumps out at me, but clue analysis is not something that has ever come easy to me. One thing to consider, was redtooth's plan. He stated that if BC was mafia, we were completely fucked. Yet we weren't entirely raped last night. So I'm curious as to what was said between the two of them. | ||
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On July 06 2009 04:58 L wrote: Redtooth's plan was a box of idiocy. Our vigis can't hit first night and he wanted us to go sunny. This is a complete red herring. Yeah, I can imagine the plan itself made no sense whatsoever, but he said that if BC was mafia, the game was essentially over, which leads me to believe he told BC something he probably shouldn't have (the most obvious thing being blue roles) - either that or he just made the whole thing up, and he's mafia himself. | ||
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On July 07 2009 13:25 JeeJee wrote: c0bbles please do me a favour and at least use your/you're where appropriate. If you're too lazy to type the apostrophe it's fine, just type youre instead, so at least I don't have to cringe every time I see the town's leader failing grade 1 english. Malongo, snow is silly. Clues are great and all, except for the part where they totally suck. Fog's the way to go, even now. It's actually funny you're the one to jump on that. Mainly because a few pages back, before you went at it with Foolishness, I was cringing at him incorrectly using your/you're 2/4 times. I wasn't going to say anything, but then you and him starting going at it, and I wouldn't have been surprised if you brought it up. | ||
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Sure, we could search out the priest, but posting it in this topic would only do two things. Allow the mafia to stack hits on him, and allow our angels to protect him. And we wouldn't have rain up, so the mafia could kill him for sure, and the angels, if protecting him, could die to a suicide bomb. Before the Gosu message came to light, I had also been thinking about the kill list. What if mafia just chose seemingly random targets, to throw us off, and make us think that they didn't have any good players? Killing all green would make us relax a bit, and everyone has been saying things like "Okay, mafia doesn't have any good players, lol, we're safe", but spelling out the Gosu message, if planned, could tell a different story. Waste the night one kills with a fun message. If we get any blues, cool. If not, all the better, they now think we're incompetent. Tonight's kills will give us a better idea, but it could have a lot more blue on it tonight, I'm thinking. :/ | ||
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On July 08 2009 00:27 TruthBringer wrote: About the priest analysis debate . . . angels/medics have been notoriously bad at protecting the right targets. And people were talking about using rain to allow the angels to protect the priest and avoid him getting suicide bombed. I just figured that as it stands, it is much more likely the mafia would figure out who the priest is and kill him than the two angels. The plan to claim to MBH only works if the priest lives long enough to revive him. And FFS, I didn't start clue analyzing on the priest, I brought up for discussion whether or not we should clue analyze on the priest. Wanted to point another thing out with why publicly stating who the priest is would hurt us. If we voted rain, the suicide bomber couldn't bomb the angel, however, mafia's KP wouldn't be lowered. So they'd still have KP of 5, while angels could protect 4. Even if both angels stacked, the priest would still die. (unless I'm overlooking something) So unless we manage to lynch someone today that reduces mafia KP (unlikely), if the priest were publicly known, mafia could still stack kills and take care of him. There's only two ways this could actually help the town. If someone managed to create some absolutely flawless, that has us all believing, fake analysis on who the priest is, but it's actually a townie. Mafia/angels stack hits/protection, and one townie dies for the night. But I don't see anyway that could actually happen, as finding a townie that isn't mafia/blue, and then linking the fake clues to them would be kinda tough, and I doubt that mafia would buy it enough to stack all their hits. The other way it would help the town is more or less the same: Causing mafia to stack as many hits as possible, thus lowering the deaths for the night, but they'd only stack hits if they were pretty sure they were hitting a valuable target (the priest). And the bad far outweighs the good there. At the moment, the town is moving pretty slow, and we really need MBH to guide us. If the priest dies before MBH is up, we just wasted a day or two, lost our resurrection ability, and one of the best players in the game, who happens to be a confirmed townie. Simply put, there is absolutely no benefit to putting the priest out in the open, as the bad would far outweigh any good that would come from it. Unless mafia is retarded and screwed up the way they stacked hits. | ||
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Please don't change your vote because of me, I'd just like to know why you're okay with being so close to a lynch. | ||
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When to activate Double Lynch ability? You can let me know by PM that you wish to use a double lynch in the night before you want to use it. You can also announce a double lynch during the day of voting. If you choose this option the time allocated for voting will be increased. Would it be too late to call the double lynch now? And to be honest, it wouldn't surprise me if ydg is innocent (or Truthbringer for that matter), but they're our best bets at the moment, and their behavior has been suspect enough. I'm going to laugh if ydg flips green, and then we can forever call him a stupid townie. | ||
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MBH is a (dead) confirmed townie. HeavOnEarth pulled out of the race, and supported BC. BC won and became Emperor. L lost. Truthbringer was the first to vote for BC, with no reasoning. He also supported ydg's lynching, not sure off the top of my head if he posted his reasons. L was the one that did the analysis of TruthBringer, which led to us lynching a mafia. At the moment, I personally think that if any of the candidates was mafia, BC would be the strongest suspect, which would put is in a tough situation. The only real evidence against him (if you look at it in a negative light - it could also be positive if it works), is killing MBH. If he's mafia, he gets rid of one of the best players for two days, and gets a decent chance to snipe the priest before MBH is resurrected, and thus out of the game for good. However, it shouldn't be seen in an entirely negative light, because if the plan works, MBH can hopefully guide us. If BC turns red, HeavOnEarth could potentially be mafia. The entirety of his campaign was a bit iffy, such as him bowing out and immediately supporting BC, when he himself stated that it was likely the Godfather was among all the candidates. However, that's not to say he is mafia, and much like BC's case, it's all speculation at this point. He abstained from the lynch vote, which doesn't really help the town, but it doesn't hurt it either. One thing to consider is that ydg could still be mafia, though I personally think he's innocent. If he eventually does flip mafia, then most of the suspicions on BC would be lifted. I suppose we can't entirely dismiss L from being mafia at this point, however, I'd say the chance is less than 5% (had to do it). The only way L could be mafia is if it was a mafia ploy to get us trusting him, and then maybe have blues send their roles and all. Which would only really be an option if MBH doesn't get resurrected. People can still choose to form circles, but a mass list of who is who is dangerous, when there is even any doubt of the person's alignment. Another reason L isn't entirely dismissed is the Gosu message. It's possible the message was coincidental, but I think more likely than not, our enemy is toying with us. Such as saying "we're better than you - we can waste a full night's kills and still win the game". In BC's game, L also managed to get away with a lot as mafia (Ver is godfather). However, I think that putting one of your own up on the chopping block AND playing alphabet soup would be pushing it too far. I'm not saying that any of the candidates are mafia, however, if any of them are, I'd say L is the safest bet for being a townie. | ||
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On July 09 2009 04:22 StorrZerg wrote: Seeing that sun made me think of a new day Same. | ||
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