On July 09 2009 04:19 HeavOnEarth wrote: bc, why do you think truth bringer zombie voted for you? why are you ignoring this?
My guess is mafia are voting in such a way to get me lynched. blind vote with me, and more flip red the higher chance of town lynching me removing the double lynches.
Or he was told too. I am unaware why, but it means I seriously have to step up my game to further prove my innocence. Hense getting back on the clue analyzing over doing behavioural.
I still have suspicions on YDG because of redtooth jumping off him to abstain (makes both of them look red) but after seeing the clue linking to ecomania and pyrr, they are higher on my hit list now.
On July 09 2009 04:13 BloodyC0bbler wrote: sweet, foxglove person. WE believed that this person was araav on the basis of the flowers bloom in adversity (i would disagree based off the swap post as he would never eat cheese he had poisoned).
Did you miss the [No clue area]?
Not saying its a clue, but less likely you would write someones death in a way that if they were red they would kill themself off their own poisoned cheese .
I could be wrong, but I found a better link regardless.
There was one matter left to attend to – the destruction of the secret Liquiville Cheese recipe. The task was left to Mr Julia, a newcomer to the Mafia but nonetheless determined to carry out his orders. Mr Julia had a nack for working out combinations and he had cracked the safe within seconds. He wasted no time in burning the recipe with his lighter. “What are you doing!!” cried fishball, startling Mr Julia and causing him to accidentally burn himself on the recipe. fishball watched in horror and amazement as Mr Julia’s burn wound began to change colour and pulsate. “Look what you’ve done!” exclaimed Mr Julia who came lunging at fishball. fishball fended Mr Julia’s first few blows off, but each blow became more erratic and powerful. It wasn’t long until Mr Julia landed a punch square on fishball’s jaw, knocking him to the ground. Mr Julia pounced on fishball and eventually turned fishball into a bloody pulp. Even though fishball was dead, Mr Julia could not stop and eventually, after his body began to pulsate, he passed out.
Four Mafia had entered, but only three had returned to the exit. All three of them instantly knew what had happened to Mr Julia and rushed over to the safe room to bring him back home. vivi57 was the last security guard on duty and was know well aware that the place had been hit by the Mafia. He was hiding around a corner, near the safe room, hoping the Mafia would leave him be. However, the instant the 3 Mafia passed the corner he was struck down by a large faintly warm object. He fell to the ground dazed and confused, but could make out 3 fuzzy shapes leaving with some kind of psychedelic object draped over one of their backs. The three Mafia noted that he was still alive and opened fire on vivi57 – the sheer intensity of the bullets severed vivi57’s body in two.
Now, if you look at the entire passage for Mr.Julia It starts with him opening a safe, Him changing colour after burning himself Attacking fishball by jumping on him and beating him up Passing out Being held over his compatriots back and being psychedelic
one link in his profile is http://hegesonic.blogspot.com/ from this blog you get this link embedded near the top of the first post
Watch this video, IT is super important.
It opens with the man in a beige shirt, black pants and red hair taking an elevator down to a locked door, which requires him entering a passcode to get in. He goes in, starts an experiment during a lightning storm with ends up blasting his lab, and himself into a new world where he swims to safety. HE is now wearing a black shirt and beige pants! A change in colour. And in the midst of the destruction of his lab, a red fireball followed by lightning seem to slam into his lab. Fire changing his colour He is captured and with the help of another prisoner escapes and gets a gun.
This gun gets stronger the more you charge it (it also pulses a bit) Near the end he is saved by the prisoner who saves him who fights with another guard by jumping on him and beating him in the face. And in the end the main guy drags himself to a leaver and pulls it which turns his enemy into chunky bits (bloody pulp), and passes out.
His fellow prisoner then puts him over his back, and hops onto a beasts back and flies away.
Which is insanely trippy. This second link fits very well as plexa chose to separate the two areas with clues to mr Julia, like he was taking a clue from a new place.
that's a lot of stuff on pyrr. however, just to play devil's advocate why do you think this mafia member was specifically named "Mr. Julia" instead of just another character. Also, after watching the whole 20 minute video, i did not see one instance of the pulsating of skin. when people got shot they usually insta-fried. another thing to note is that the three other mafia "instantly knew" why Mr. Julia was missing. that's not something mentioned in the video. athough the whole "bring him back home" thing could be stretched to fit the storyline.
one thing to note about mr. julia is how he speaks. From the games I've played mafia are rarely quoted with real speech and "Look what you've done!" will likely play a key factor in us identifying either the mafia's behavior or the real "Mr. Julia's" personality.
Except fishball is the one who spoke, not mr Julia. As for pulsing as i said, As his gun charges for stronger attacks, the gun pulses and grows in power.
Edit:
As for knowing instantly why he was missing. His fellow prisoner in the video looked behind him and saw a blown apart hole in the ground and knew instantly that he had fallen down it (hense missing) also at the end of the vid after the fight, the same fellow prisoner knew to go up the warp area to find him passed out.. It all fits, and with this much on him, it seems unlikely plexa would link all these clues in the same order as a video progression randomly.
for the tall lanky person, I would say it falcynn.
If you google the mission codename applesauce, you will be linked to the aquabats.
The lead singer of it is a man (who appears tall and lanky) and is also known as the bat commander.
if he was a bat, the roar could have been his sonar, and would explain why he knew elemenope jumped from the window.
This is weak, but would also explain how plexa was found day 1, if he was in the shadows, and then buried himself deeper into hiding, the bat could pick that up and kill him.
On July 09 2009 10:48 LucasWoJ wrote: Alright, so it's sorta quiet this night. I voted for Fog yesterday. Are we sticking to that? It seems we should change to snow because BC has cracked the Plexa-clues. On the other hand, it might be a good idea to get Sunny so that we could kill off suspicious people like Pyrr or L.
Also, this whole Mr. Julia thing is really intriguing. I think we should re-focus our efforts on decoding that stuff. He seems to have a very androgynous quality to his name. Perhaps this applies to his person as well??
The only person who really stands out to me for this Mr. Julia is Scaramanga. His name ends with an "a" so it's feminine. He claims, I think, to be a dude. So he's both a chick and a guy. This works.
Another great candidate for Mr. Julia is Caller, who name sounds like "Call HER"
Thoughts? They're my top two suspects right now.
If you believe I have cracked the clues why are you trying to find out mr. Julia when I already linked him (hense the break in clues)
also as mentioned caller has no clues towards him.
Mr. Julia appears again. Again I believe this is Pyrr.
Second day of clues and the characteristics. Yellowish skin no nose strong and skilled scarred on face.
If you read my last analysist of day 2 clues of pyrr, you would have seen He was linked via his profile to a game called another world. In this case, I would say the clues link to the sequel to another world, called heart of an alien. Part 2 of 2 video found here
If you go to the last remaining 3:14 minute mark of that video you will see at 3:14 a gate is opening and a yellowish guy with no nose takes down a big monster by slipping to the side and grabbing it from behind and punching it in its face to bring it down. Much as julia beat down the big judge. Then at the end that man is beaten by the monster after he is clawed in the face and dragged off.
In a way this mirrors the video in the sense of the man with the skin/scars quickly flee's as he senses his time is near, as and quickly hides his target in the cheese factory (at the end of that clip he is dragged into a monster den).
Also note to bockit.
L and I were both believed to be in a similar boat, most likely one of us being the GF was the belief we had of eachother. But at the same time, IF I was the GF, why would I kill someone who would be my own shield, and could ensure lynched in my place. Let alone the fact your advocating removing double lynches from your town repetoir as well.
Those little issues are more of a problem.
Also, Killing L again is not in the best interest of a mafia emp for this last reason.
You would never be 100% sure on which of us was mafia if we both lived, IE a double lynch would be used today to off us both. To see which of us was red if any. If you can predict your own death, you would never remove someone you could take with you, thats common logic.
I would more look at this. L hit the mark perfectly on the truthbringer analysis, his analysis gave me the cipher I used to link pyrr to mr julia, ecomania and falcynn to the other two from day two (although those two arent as strong). If I did infact get them accurately or at least 1-2, chances are they would want me dead as well.
That being said, I am enacting a double lynch for the day (pming plexa after this is posted). So we seriously have to step it up, and get mafia killed.
On July 10 2009 03:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote: If you go to the last remaining 3:14 minute mark of that video you will see at 3:14 a gate is opening and a yellowish guy with no nose takes down a big monster by slipping to the side and grabbing it from behind and punching it in its face to bring it down. Much as julia beat down the big judge. Then at the end that man is beaten by the monster after he is clawed in the face and dragged off.
In a way this mirrors the video in the sense of the man with the skin/scars quickly flee's as he senses his time is near, as and quickly hides his target in the cheese factory (at the end of that clip he is dragged into a monster den).
Your analysis yesterday fit very well to the video but you are grasping at straws here. The guy isn't yellowish at all, wtf.
I meant yellowish i guess more in terms of a regular person. If you watched the video previously, the actual man has a regular skin pigment, and these other guys seem lighter in colour. Not dark to be brown/black. But normally if we see someone of a different race and lighter in colour we call them yellow. It is a stretch in the colour, I know, but alot still fits. Hell, saying exactly 3:14 seems to indicate the importance of time (in this thread 3:14 am is only posted in the clue post and one post by ydg) but ydg doesn't really link to mr julia.
Weak clue would be to bockit however though. The animation in his profile could be very hypnotizing, and he used it to hypnotize so no fek and caller, but caller resisted and ran, while so no fek succumbed. Also would suggest why he didn't fight back at all during this entire endeavour. as for the nautical theme bockit has a quote saying "i'm on a boat" Its weak but I will look more seriously into the clues soon.
On July 10 2009 03:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Weak clue would be to bockit however though. The animation in his profile could be very hypnotizing, and he used it to hypnotize so no fek and caller, but caller resisted and ran, while so no fek succumbed. Also would suggest why he didn't fight back at all during this entire endeavour. as for the nautical theme bockit has a quote saying "i'm on a boat" Its weak but I will look more seriously into the clues soon.
I don't think it's as much as a hypotnizing as it is a turning to stone thing, because why would they dump the body in the ocean which would then sink?
Pyrr the issue with your links are is this. You had to google my name, whereas the links to you are all directly related (one link in your profile to your blog, then to the first video, then the second from there). The main character in the second game is the other prisoner with the human from the first, etc.. Its all connected. Whereas your link to me requires plexa totally ignoring the other style of clues of pulling from profiles.
On July 10 2009 04:37 redtooth wrote: pyrr makes me want to hate this game...
And this is by far the best post made.
well its true last time BC and I gunned at each other we were both innocent but BC wasn't hallucinating color changes and youtube video scenes that game.
sorry if im trying to keep solid links to the best possible day 2 link to julia.
Hell, if you can help find another person who links to a lack of nose (which is what im doing now) Id admit to being a complete tool, but like, lack of nose +face scarring +taking town a big raging monster currently links to you fairly well, and the time point of the vid shows that scene start.
multiple colours listed (possible change of colour do to fire?) the words electronic device phrase punched to death
Not seeing anything that would have him as psychadelic from his profile.
From last nights clues would be the MJ to no nose (he has alot of surgeories), dunno on colour to yellow change, and a quote to 3:14 could be stemming from where this quote is found Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'entrate
that is from dante's divine comedy translating into All hope abandon, ye who enter in, but its canto III line 9
Canto III line 14 is * Qui si convien lasciare ogne sospetto meaning Here one must leave behind all hesistation
Okay I'll list out the PM convo (it's relatively short don't worry) and I'll throw in some stuff at the end.
So he PMed me first with this:
LucasWoJ: Out of curiosity, who do you think is mafia? I assume you're a green townie since you're doing exactly what I wanted to. There's nothing to do and people are absolutely retarded screaming various things that are utterly unimportant.
Foolishness: I had originally thought ydg was mafia, hence my vote, but I don't think this is the case. I believe TruthBringer to also be mafia. I have high suspicions against ecomania as well. As of right now I think that's all I can really say, since there's not a whole lot to go by.
If possible, I would like to shift the majority of the vote to TruthBringer and see what happens. I certainly don't have any means to though.
And do not forget that me playing according to your plan in the thread also meant you playing according to mine as well. I was constantly refreshing my inbox waiting for your message.
LucasWoJ: Nope. You weren't. If anything, you've convinced yourself you have. Simple psychology.
I'm certain of at least two blues (I won't mention them for obvious reasons -- in case you're converted), but I cannot figure out Bockit. Opinions on him? I was mafia with him three games ago, and his posting behavior was eeringly similar.
Foolishness: I do believe that acting like BC or L is not in your favor, but you are free to believe what you want.
That also goes for conversion. Do you really think I'm going to get converted of all people? Nobody talks to me and with much "smarter" people such as yourself and soon to be MBH, am I really going to be wasted on?
If his posting was eeringly similar, that must mean he didn't post at all. He's hardly said more than a sentence at a time. Not much to go off of, although there has been some talk about him.
LucasWoJ: The lack of posting is strikingly similar as is WHAT he has actually said.
Writing like BC or L is entirely to my advantage in PMs.(although it's really neither. It's not just me saying "This is how things work" and expecting the universe to line up that way).
Foolishness: After looking through the thread again, I can't say I've noticed anything particular about Bockit. You obviously have the good information since you can compare him to past games, and I have no experience with that. As I said before, it might be worth mentioning in the thread.
Or if you don't want to come about it you could try PMing L and BC about it? They'll be sure to listen and consider.
As far as that goes, if you do initiate something I'll surely help by voting for Bockit, but that'd be all I could do
After he sent me the first message, I responded truthfully since lying wouldn't have done any good at this point.
Notice how after he finds out what I think he dodges all the information, as well as not saying any of his opinions (except about Bockit). I know that there is no conversion, but at this point I suspected him so I wanted to play along and make him think I'm just a stupid green townie. However he continues to ignore the most important points, and just wants my opinion on Bockit.
In one of the past mafia games (you might have been in it I don't know), LucasWoJ was on mafia side, and his job for the team was to consistently PM people and try to figure out possible blues for the mafia to snipe. Knowing this information is why I acted stupid and cocky, so I wouldn't get killed. It seems to me that he's doing the exact same job this game. It fits in because he simply wants what I think about various matters while not saying anything back. A non mafia member would be more likely to share their opinion on matters, especially if they thought I was clean.
He has yet to respond to the last thing I sent him, and it's been about 20 hours since then. And as a side note, don't take anything I say against you (whether in PM or thread) presonally, I'm just doing it to keep up appearances. You're survival and leadership is necessary for the town to win.
To summarize: LucasWoJ is seemingly trying to find out whether I'm blue or not (the fact that he PMed me first also fits in here), and consistently ignored important points throughout our conversation. He's playing exactly like he did in a previous game where he was mafia.
Regarding Bockit, it's hard to determine whether Bockit is mafia or not based on this. My guess would be that Bockit is innocent (assuming LucasWoJ is mafia). However they could both be mafia, and LucasWoJ wanted to see if I suspected a fellow member (because I might be worth killing if I did, or something).
We haven't talked via PM in three days, and we only exchanged a few before then.
I thought he was a green townie at the very beginning, but now I'm ambivalent toward what his role is.
Here are the PMs:
From: Foolishness [ Profile | Buddy ] Subject: Re: mafia Date: 7/7/09 09:18 I had originally thought ydg was mafia, hence my vote, but I don't think this is the case. I believe TruthBringer to also be mafia. I have high suspicions against ecomania as well. As of right now I think that's all I can really say, since there's not a whole lot to go by.
If possible, I would like to shift the majority of the vote to TruthBringer and see what happens. I certainly don't have any means to though.
And do not forget that me playing according to your plan in the thread also meant you playing according to mine as well. I was constantly refreshing my inbox waiting for your message.
----------------------------------------- Original Message (Lucas)WoJ( ): Out of curiosity, who do you think is mafia? I assume you're a green townie since you're doing exactly what I wanted to. There's nothing to do and people are absolutely retarded screaming various things that are utterly unimportant.
I'm trying to induce a certain reaction here, but he goes overboard:
From: Foolishness [ Profile | Buddy ] Subject: Re: mafia Date: 7/7/09 09:35 I do believe that acting like BC or L is not in your favor, but you are free to believe what you want.
That also goes for conversion. Do you really think I'm going to get converted of all people? Nobody talks to me and with much "smarter" people such as yourself and soon to be MBH, am I really going to be wasted on?
If his posting was eeringly similar, that must mean he didn't post at all. He's hardly said more than a sentence at a time. Not much to go off of, although there has been some talk about him.
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Nope. You weren't. If anything, you've convinced yourself you have. Simple psychology.
I'm certain of at least two blues (I won't mention them for obvious reasons -- in case you're converted), but I cannot figure out Bockit. Opinions on him? I was mafia with him three games ago, and his posting behavior was eeringly similar.
Well, if you are suspicious about Bockit, why not come out about it? You have the information you need, and there is already town discussion about his possible mafia role. I'm sure one of L or BC will back you up which means you will have another few people who will follow for sure.
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The lack of posting is strikingly similar as is WHAT he has actually said.
Writing like BC or L is entirely to my advantage in PMs.(although it's really neither. It's not just me saying "This is how things work" and expecting the universe to line up that way). -----------------------------------------
This one was really weird as I did not respond to the other ones. Nor did I really push for Bockit being part of mafia too hard.
From: Foolishness [ Profile | Buddy ] Subject: Bockit Date: 7/7/09 10:08 After looking through the thread again, I can't say I've noticed anything particular about Bockit. You obviously have the good information since you can compare him to past games, and I have no experience with that. As I said before, it might be worth mentioning in the thread.
Or if you don't want to come about it you could try PMing L and BC about it? They'll be sure to listen and consider.
As far as that goes, if you do initiate something I'll surely help by voting for Bockit, but that'd be all I could do
General idea: bored townie.
----------------------------------------- Original Message: Ok, so I know you and foolishness have been going back and forth for god knows how long. And I need to know your general idea of him?
----------------------------------------- Original Message: Are we to continue voting for fog? Honestly, I read about 1/5 of the posts so I'm not sure whether something's been posted as to how we're supposed to vote.
The difference comes down to foolishness excluding one single message from that dialogue from me being this one + Show Spoiler +
Well, if you are suspicious about Bockit, why not come out about it? You have the information you need, and there is already town discussion about his possible mafia role. I'm sure one of L or BC will back you up which means you will have another few people who will follow for sure.
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The lack of posting is strikingly similar as is WHAT he has actually said.
Writing like BC or L is entirely to my advantage in PMs.(although it's really neither. It's not just me saying "This is how things work" and expecting the universe to line up that way). -----------------------------------------
From: Foolishness [ Profile | Buddy ] Subject: double lynch Date: 7/7/09 08:40 uhhh, just to clarify, the reason I wanted to double lynch was because if ydg turns up innocent you're going to be in a world of hurt, especially after L just called you out on random stuff that means nothing. You and I both know the last thing we want is L to become town leader (prior and after to MBH being alive). If we double lynch, kill Truthbringer and ydg, we'll probably get one mafia and that should distract from any violence between you and L.
Just my thought process, it's ultimately up to you of course.
This is noteworthy because of him not wanting L to become town leader, In fact in the thread he had been opposition to L (he does mentioning he suspects truthbringer as well). and L had foolishness as a suspect as a potential mafia based on voting habits.
He also asks me to stop trying to get pyrr killed + Show Spoiler +
From: Foolishness [ Profile | Buddy ] Subject: Pyrry Date: 7/10/09 04:58 It is very apparent to me that Pyrry is innocent (whether blue or not I don't know). It's also clear that you are innocent to me as well. It's important that we form a coalition for the benefit of the town, especially since there is no current town plan with MBH dead.
I have the necessary information to lead us to the mafia. If you read my most recent post in the thread (since I'm sure you ignored it) you will realize that there are strange things happening with the votes. The people I mentioned are not the only ones that are suspicious. I want to get ecomania lynched today as I think he is the best option for the town (I realize there is a double lynch so we've got other options as well).
I want you to call off your accusations against Pyrry. I know you don't want to, but chances are the mafia are sitting back, hiding, and laughing right now.
At the very least, by looking at the voting patterns, I'm sure you can agree that we have much better suspects to go after (even if Pyrry is mafia). Risking our lynch on Pyrry spells disaster if he is innocent. It's important that we collaborate on ideas to get another mafia lynched.
And above all us, voting patterns show more than clue analysis right now. It's important we don't get carried away with clue analysis (both you and Pyrry are guilty of this). I hope you will at least consider the things I've said as you can easily turn this game around.
And lastly
Caller and So no fek were returning from their night class on nautical warfare, but knowing there were Mafia about they decided to take the back route to their home. While walking through the last and only park on their journey home they heard a strange but faint laughter. A twig behind them snapped. They panicked- Caller turned and ran as fast as he could, while So no fek was petrified and could not move. The Mafioso stepped forward and ensured that So no fek would no longer be able to move. As he was running, Caller heard the laughter again, but more clearer. He looked up into the trees and a curiously clothed man glided down from the tree, but stumbled on the landing and fell over. To Callers’s surprise he burst out laughing. Not willing to take a chance, Caller backed away but his leg got caught in a trap and was hoisted into the air helpless. The Mafioso stood up walked over to Caller and tied his hands up with a bomb. Standing just outside of the blastzone, the Mafioso and Caller stared into each other’s eyes as Caller’s death was literally counting down. The blast destroyed Caller.
Alot of these characteristics come off making it seem the mafia looks foolish, then with the trap/bomb making caller look foolish.
From all the stuff between foolishness and lucas, 1 of the 2 is red. But due to the PM discrepency of the original pm's of lucas and foolishness, Lucas appears more green atm than he did.
eh, when you have someone telling you not to let L become town leader, when his analysis gave us a red. then reread an L post where he has that person bolded, and reread the new day post and see something that weak links combined with the fact he didnt give all of information makes him look slightly fishy. ie its not a guarenteed 100% on lucas atm.
I've never seen foolish play before, and Lucas is playing differently than when hes normally red, so either both could be town wanting the other dead, both red pointing fingers, or one red, one town.
So no fek was paralyzed or left inert. One mafia stayed to make sure he didnt move. and when he was dropped into the water later it would be because he was also made inept at saving himself.
very weak link to inertinept, but if someone has very little in a profile there isnt much to work on. Also he has a mention of a gust of wind in his profile, perhaps the first bit of laughter they heard was a gust of wind bringing in the sound?
Malongo, your linking to ydg is so stretched for the mafia you linked to over others linked for it. And at this point foolishness has said, Mafia is almost guarenteed to be hiding in the inactive players. Inertinept links semi well, and is inactive. He also stated earlier he just wanted to troll over being useful. I would say off people for that. As for kuja, he links to multiple clues over days, so seems semi safe to kill as he also is inactive.