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Just because there are multiple lazy ass that wont see the voting thread:
Voting Resume
Chuiu: 1 Monoxide: 4 tricode: 2 versatile: 7+ Qatol*3 JeeJee: 5 Quickstriker: 9 truthbringer: 1 Abstain: 9
Total people voting: 39 TruthBringer: not valid vote. semioldguy: unvoted
People Yet to vote: 13 + Show Spoiler +
2.Caller 5.LucasWoJ 10.Ver 11. RebirthOfLeGend 14. semioldguy
17. ace 19. Hyperbola 32. truthbringer 37. Motbob
38. HeavOnEarth 39. Blue_Arrow 42. Chaoser 44. zapling 45. Aznvaliance
46. Laxercannon 54. YDG 55. Mista
Please pm errors.
Please also remind that if the abstaining choice wins there will be no lynch wich is bad for the town. Bloodycobbler we need a reasonable official deadline for votes and changes. Thank you.
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On April 28 2009 17:34 ZaplinG wrote: I vote ace to be lynched. Use the voting thread. And welcome to the game.
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On April 29 2009 12:08 Tricode wrote:It's Mafia Daylights savings time. BC, oh BC, where are you?
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Yeah baby posting this because i want to see what happens before BC ends the voting.
Chuiu: 1 Monoxide: 4 tricode: 2 versatile: 8+ Qatol*3 = 11 JeeJee: 6 Quickstriker: 10 truthbringer: 1 Abstain: 8
Total people voting: 41
TruthBringer: Not valid vote. Hyperbola: Not valid vote. Zapling: Vote in the blog thread
People yet to vote: 11 + Show Spoiler +2.Caller5.LucasWoJ10.Ver 11. RebirthOfLeGend 14. semioldguy17. ace19. Hyperbola 32. truthbringer 37. Motbob 38. HeavOnEarth39. Blue_Arrow 42. Chaoser 44. zapling 45. Aznvaliance 46. Laxercannon 54. YDG 55. Mista <-taking his sweet time
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On April 30 2009 08:10 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: At this point I almost don't even see the point in lynching Versatile :D She is so clearly innocent we already gained the information without needing to kill her. Any actual mafia 1. Wouldn't of acted the way she did AT ALL. and 2. Would be voraciously defending themselves right now trying to get QS or Monoxide lynched. Since there is more evidence against them.
I really have no suspicions of Versatile at this point. I am alright with lynching someone else and taking everything she says at face value. As for me, I am still voting for QS at the moment. If versatile flips mafia you are looking as a strong candidate sir. However im all in against tricode this round so you have wait. But more importantly: BC where are you, oh where are you.
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The more you post, the more i look at you and want to see how versatile flips. Note that you actually posted all this:
he was so lazy at the beggining, now that versatile is likely to get lynched is suddenly quite active + Show Spoiler +On April 25 2009 10:46 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: yo dawgs, jus so u no i naught inactive.
Ima read it tomorrow then post, i'm lazy right now. This post is so rare, he pretends to be acting town side but the last line reveals that its an answer to a player, i guess he was pmd about how suspicious he was (LucasWoj?). If something greens dont buy this shit of "hey you look mafia you better start posting." + Show Spoiler +On April 26 2009 06:44 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: wow shit, two mafia families. I skim read a lot of the thread, with the exception of the last two pages. So now we have two mafia families, nice BC :D pulled that over on us, and we are pretty sure we lost two DTs which kind of blows.
What we need to do now is ALL the people who were hit last night need to come forward DO NOT REVEAL IF YOU ARE A VET OR MEDIC PROTECTED
We need to figure out how many hits each mafia has so we can try to figure out what the kill formula is. I think 2 hits per mafia is way too weak. I also think 3 hits each mafia is weak, but just means that the mafia need to focus and make sure they kill the town and not each other. Which would make it hard. I can see 2 successful protects being possible, but 4 seems very unlikely.
Once we have that figured out, does anyone know who the two DTs were in contact with? The only way for no one to have any idea is if the two DTs role checked the godfather who claimed vet or something and just told him what they were figuring it was statistically in their favor for him to NOT be godfaher.
That seems very unlikely, unless hes a known power player from previous mafia games and has been active in the thread. Off the top of my head SoG and Caller come to mind from my post skimming, but those thoughts are just me thinking out loud and clearing some suggestions for what could cause the death of what seems like two DTs.
To summarize: Before our lynch we need to figure out 1. Who got hit last night. 2. figure out max mafia kills/formula 3. Figure out who those DTs(?) blues were talking to.
If we can't figure out who they were talking to, we have to assume its a likely person to role check, and then be careful of any of the power players who have been active thus far.
Happy LucaS? after Malongo pointed to tricode hes ok to lynch him, wut? no second opinion? just go lynch? + Show Spoiler +On April 26 2009 08:51 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: EBWOB: (or whatever SoG's acronym was) I am okay with voting for tricode if no one else shows up. But I say we wait a little to see if anyone can say that our DTs were talking to any potential mafioso Then votes pile in Monoxide, JeeJee and Quickstriker. No words about JeeJee though. Note the bold line please. + Show Spoiler +On April 27 2009 23:25 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: the way QS posts is kind of annoying as well. Im voting lynch just based off that.
.....you know and the other suspicious stuff!
Can anyone tell me if what 0cz3c said is worth reading? In the other mafia games he posted the most retarded shit and I don't feel like wasting 5-10 minutes reading his essay if its another one of those random "I am going to accuse the enire town of being mafia and I also happen to be EVERY SINGLE ROLE IN THE GAME" posts. (that were ridiculous and colored)
and just for the record, I don't consider the case of Monoxide to be weak at all, I think the accidental death clue links very well with him. However QS behavior and the clue links seem to be the best thing we have so far, so I will go with that. However I still think we need to consider Monoxide for possible next lynch candidate. What? you want a DL because of laziness? + Show Spoiler +On April 29 2009 07:11 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:I don't think that there is no info to work with, so anyone using that excuse that we need to move to the next day and get more clues is probably a mafia who just wants to get to their night killing cycle There is still a lot of debate over who is best to lynch. Off the clues and from whats going on, I don't believe Versatile is mafioso, however lynching her does now give us the MOST information. While I do think quickstriker and Monoxide have the best clues matching up to them, more information comes out of Versatile's death. So what would you guys prefer, more information or possible mafia kill? The only reason I would double lynch tonight is to get both QS and Monoxide to save the trouble of thinking about them any further. Then we would be able to focus on Versatile.and Ace, you know I can out debate you This is a lie, simply because (with the bolded live above) HE STILL HASNT VOTED + Show Spoiler +On April 29 2009 22:02 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I am really tempted to change my vote, but I am also really lazy. Someone starts defending versatile indirectly :S again you havent voted. + Show Spoiler +On April 30 2009 08:10 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: At this point I almost don't even see the point in lynching Versatile :D She is so clearly innocent we already gained the information without needing to kill her. Any actual mafia 1. Wouldn't of acted the way she did AT ALL. and 2. Would be voraciously defending themselves right now trying to get QS or Monoxide lynched. Since there is more evidence against them.
I really have no suspicions of Versatile at this point. I am alright with lynching someone else and taking everything she says at face value. As for me, I am still voting for QS at the moment. Yeah mafia really isnt dumb, wait, im not sure anymore. + Show Spoiler +On April 30 2009 12:13 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:L lol.... Is it really worth 2-3 mafia changing votes to save her if it would expose them all? Admittedly with what I said a page back, I would be looking a bit suspicious if that were to happen. However that entire family would most likely die in the next day cycle if they tried that. It is a retarded move. She knows that, and I haven't really seen any dumb card played :O but whatever. Show nested quote +On April 30 2009 09:29 Versatile wrote:On April 30 2009 09:16 Malongo wrote:On April 30 2009 08:10 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: At this point I almost don't even see the point in lynching Versatile :D She is so clearly innocent we already gained the information without needing to kill her. Any actual mafia 1. Wouldn't of acted the way she did AT ALL. and 2. Would be voraciously defending themselves right now trying to get QS or Monoxide lynched. Since there is more evidence against them.
I really have no suspicions of Versatile at this point. I am alright with lynching someone else and taking everything she says at face value. As for me, I am still voting for QS at the moment. If versatile flips mafia you are looking as a strong candidate sir. However im all in against tricode this round so you have wait. But more importantly: BC where are you, oh where are you. Maybe he's hoping that when I do flip green/blue, he can say "AHA! I told you not to lynch her! trust me now!". Or maybe he's hoping to win brownie points with me. Yeah. I like that one better =D haha oh man. Lets go with the latter!! post game cyber?!?!?!
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Well, i really didnt like her shoes either.
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versatile 11 + Qatol*3 iLoveKTF Showtime! <- from Monoxide
iNfuNdiBuLuM Monoxide L dreamflower <- from JeeJee JeeJee <- from Monoxide Qatol <-from JeeJee Incognito <- from abstain LucasWoj truthbringer mikeymoo <- from Quickstriker RebirthOfLegend
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Looking at versatiles voters list im pretty sure shed bet her left that there are at least 3/4 mafia there.
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Qatol: In the turn of events I think vigilantes have cero interest in killing Ace at this point. As you said he is actually suspect of being mafia (as you are too). However viging Ace is not the best choice and you know it: the best choice is by a far margin to HIT Quickstriker. Why?
- His dead gives us much more information regarding another player (note that vigis on ace tell us 0 info about any other player whatever the color he turns). Im talking about... lets guess... QATOL. As you are the one that "literally" didnt kill him at the beggining and lynched inertinept with a rather mediocre analisis (at least compared to mine about Quickstriker) and the one that literally lynched versatile over him last day (and note that you never EVER thougth about voting him, you switched from JeeJee to versatile after JeeJees saving campaign) the town needs to flip him. Period. What im saying is: If I was the Inocent Mayor in this case with all the evidence and some doubts on me i would be literally asking in my knees that a vigi or mafia flip him, literally.
- About Ace: why a vigi in his sense would want to hit a player that already has as much exposure as Ace? He claimed taking a hit, even if that is false and he is mafia hes going to eventually get another hit from the same side. Not just that: he claimed green and now he claimed medic, can you follow me? Do you think mafia looking the other family or a blue dont want to hit him? With all the things Ace told about versatile if hes not dead by night 5/6 from mafia you can lynch him almost without doubt. But now vigis should have 0 interest in fliping Ace 0.
Im again quite surprised that you, a good player, are not telling this to the town, and that a puny little player like me has to take these small notes.
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On May 01 2009 12:28 Ace wrote: you 2 are kidding right?
Mayor gets elected with an overwhelming number of quick votes. Puts blame on me for getting Versatile lynched when he placed all votes for her - and didn't I say this would happen? Tried to get JeeJee lynched on shit evidence and then switched to appear favorable to the town. Now he's making a medic list and leaving me off of it even though I've already taken a hit. He's playing really fucked up. Seriously how can you keep saying "oh there goes another small suspicion, ok I'm 80% sure he's mafia" - No. The guy is clearly dirty. Lynch him tomorrow. Are you trying to say something about me Ace? Come on get your points straight. I said almost the same as you did.
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Obviously vigis dont read Malongo. Why the fuck hit Ace hit Quickstriker said Malongo. Im too angry to make a good post, maybe tomorrow i can come with something other than the obvious.
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Showtime! and laxercannon headed for the gunshots, hoping to be able to save whomever they could. As they ran, they saw a man hiccupping and swaying moving towards them. Showtime moved to see if he was ok, and moved his hands to steady him, the next thing Showtime! knew, he had a knife stuck in his chest. Laxercannon turned, and drawing a knife of his own he moved to attack the man, only to stop dead, as an arrow pierced his neck. As laxercannon fell, he saw a man stepping out of a nearby alley. The man is DRUNK. I ask the real townies to vote lynch lordweird. Note that his profile can be linked to other clues like day 2 the guy that does something in the eyes of his victim and others. I ask to skip lynching qatol for now. The reason is quite simple: he is quite likely to be mafia but IF there are two mafias in the game his 3 votes can be useful for the town. If we lynch Qatol at this stage we lose that, also note how easily Qatol got his first votes to get lynched, and the profile from those players.
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Given that im so fucking disgusted i wont say shit other than ask real townies to vote lordweird. Honestly we are so fucked that i dont want to waste my time. And if there are vigis hits left send it to ver thank you. No, i wont explain that either. And if you doubt about my allignment do a "crtl+f" on my posts, you will be more than surprised.
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On May 03 2009 14:04 Caller wrote: Quickstriker:0ez3c as.... yeah i thought that too, its like an aggro version of oczec.
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On May 04 2009 08:20 Mynock wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2009 06:10 GoodWill wrote: I feel we have not stressed enough of the fact that somebody betrayed 2 detectives on day2. The only real possibility I see is that they gave up their identity to Qatol, the Mayor.
Speaking of the Mayor, in this game, there's no way to positively validate the mayor's innocence. Yes he won't die from mafias until all his bodyguards are dead, but what good is that when he can be a mafia himself, and from what I have observed, this mayor in particular is now the no.1 suspect. What's worse is that he's using his 3 votes privilege to get help himself by voting the next lynch candidate, Quickstriker. Now, Quickstirker is also a strong suspect imo. And it won't surprise me if he turns out red because a) a mafia mayor is much more valuable than a mafia henchman b) Qatol can gain some trust this way c) it was already a two-way contest between Qatol and Quickstriker by the time Qatol first responded, it was his best bet to save himself.
Let's not forget all the other clues (especially behavior-wise, how he has never been able to nail a mafia and that Ace and Ver were highly suspicious of him). By lynching Qatol, we will have more information gained than from lynching any other suspects. Wow a voice of reason in this Town! Btw, adding all things up, Ver is either a townie disheartened with Town, or is Mafia, hence the no-posts. I'm suspecting him as Mafia tho. At least someone understands why viging VER makes sense. How many games have we seen VER make 1 post?
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The town last stand. + Show Spoiler +In the quiet and warm peace of his livingroom Malongo has been very upset by the turn of events. The bloody god over the sky had put a test over the town of liquidia: the test of number misinformation. With two bands of Mafia shooting everywhere, an uncertain number of random shooters with no alliance known and some proper town fucktards shooting as well there was little the town could do. Resistance was futile, and Malongo knew that. However Malongo knew that he wasnt alone. He knew that several others were at their own homes, in the same position as him, trying to figure what to do and ready to leave the town ala "Mynock". We cant do shit, said Malongo to himself, we are screwed. Looking at the towns citizen list he went sure that only a miracle could save them. Then taking a shot of fine wine Malongo prepared to the night, knowing that the game was almost over, the town had lost a lot of valuable citizens and not just that, they couldnt believe the town mayor anymore. The worst part: the town had failed to find at least one of the members of the mafia that desolated the town, the only red body they found was a rather strange death and the tow n was unable to find the real explanation about this death. While walking towards his room Malongo realized that this was the only time. He was a townie afterall, he wasnt going to be "inactive" because of some fuckers he was going to fight until death, and calmly Malongo took the town flag he had for special times and walked out, marching alone to the town main square in front of the city hall, where he could hear the shooting. There, with the only background of his flag he started his declamation.
- The town is fucked: We are screwed number wise and activity wise. Take a look at todays voting: there are at most 25 voters. Wich means several people dont care about the town and the game anymore. Look at the deaths list. Several blues, some greens. Only one red bastard. Look at the town killing power and compare to the mafia KP. At best its a 6/1 ratio. Worst than that: we are just running around like mindless ants trying to hit a mafia. We cant trust our neighboor anymore, we have nothing but our votes.
- I propose a simple list of procedures to at least try to end this game with our best chances. The only way we can achieve the miracle this time is: IF there are two mafias this game (something we cant be sure because of bloodygod), then to win we need that they shoot eachother somehow. Thats the only way. If theres only one mafia (and Bockits death was just a diversion) then we are screwed anyways. Procedures list (all this im asking for is supposed to happen next lynch. Theres almost nothing to do today):
1- I demand that the town Mayor abstains from using his 3 voting power. Three times Qatol as failed to make a red lynch. Even in the case that Quickstriker is lynched and turns red we cant trust him, because he had protected the same Quickstriker 3 times now, and he is lynching Quickstriker because the other option is himself. We cant trust him because his activity has been 100% inconsistant and his voting pattern only shows that its him the one deciding the lynchs. If the Mayor fails to adhere this rule we lynch him next day. At this point I assume theres nothing else to do for todays voting. If theres a small chance that Qatol is townie sided he will for sure make 1 vote like everyone else.
2- We start Lynching inactives and clue pointed players: If we need that mafia hit eachother, and looking at the mafia hitlists we can be sure of something: They dont hit inactives. They dont hit nonvoters. Thats why lynching Lordweird was better in my opinion this time however ive failed to convince you. We force mafia to come out. I wont lose a game because some fuckers like to post nothing while shooting at me. Period. At the end you will find my proposed list of inactives.
3-Townies: DONT change your vote. Again if there are 2 mafias chances are they are the ones trying to sway the voting. -DONT - EVER - change your vote. If we caught a player changing the voting we lynch him next day. If we fail a lynch, whatever, we can fail. However we dont have second opinions. Im sure no green will ever disagree this.
4- We start using DL NOW: We dont have time. We are screwed. Tomorrow 6 more will fall. Please as i asked before to save them because they were our last resource: this is the last time to use them. Vote for DL. In the worst case we are using DL on Lordweird and Qatol tomorrow (assuming that Quickstriker is lynched today). If we have a 10% chance of winning lets take it. Double LYNCH tomorrow.
5-I will propose a small madic list before the night comes: As we cant trust Qatol we have to trust someone, i will try my best to come with a list that makes sense and it will be small enough to protect some players. Note that i cant voice for theyr inocence but at least i will propose players that look active at clue analisis and prove to be valuable for the town.
6- Vigilantes: If there are any of you still alive with shots, go pick an inactive that has clue related to him. Viging Ace last time was idiot (I already posted why when I asked to not do it). Force mafia to come out.
7- DTs: again if any, dont trust anyone. Do your job. Rolecheck 3 times and then post your results. We dont have time to wait for clues more than 3 nights, you are in the shooting gallery as well.
8- Veterans and townies: I know this game is a pain at this stage and almost nothing can be done to assure a win. However stay as active as you can and vote. Thats all im asking for. Dont give up yet, i dont ask for clue analisis or to do stupids infiltrations: that only creates more chaos where we are. Post your opinion shortly and vote, nothing more nothing less. If you want to clue analize: you are welcome but make it spoilered and at the end make a summary of WHO and WHY is mafia clue wise. Nothing can be more auto devastating that a clue analisis that says: "this can be related to this other thing but i dont know who is related to this." This type of clue analisis is trash, State clearly who and why in the end (ouside the spoilers). Summary: 1- Qatol starts voting as a single townie. 2- We lynch inactives clue wise. 3- We dont change our votes ever 4- We start using Double Lynch until the number of mafia gets down significally 5- Medic list is no longer managed by Qatol. 6- Vigilantes: send hits tonight to inactives clue wise. 7- DTs: work alone until you made your investigations 8- Townies and veterans: vote and put your opinions. If you make clue analisis use the procedure.
Please as a proof of your town allignment make a post saying: I sign Malongos declaration. This way at least we will know if its worthly to keep the game going. Thanks.
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On May 04 2009 11:48 0cz3c wrote: Malongo, I agree with essentially everything you said except this: "3-Townies: DONT change your vote. Again if there are 2 mafias chances are they are the ones trying to sway the voting. -DONT - EVER - change your vote. If we caught a player changing the voting we lynch him next day. If we fail a lynch, whatever, we can fail. However we dont have second opinions. Im sure no green will ever disagree this."
We can't afford to be wrong. I don't think it's in our best interest to merely say, after we lynch someone not the mafia, especially in the state we're in right now, whatever, we can fail. Right now, we really can't. Theoretically this is a splendid idea. However, if people begin to vote before we actually have conclusive evidence against someone else, what then?
With that said, I will sign this declaration. I'm glad to see a conspicuous townie in this game. Perhaps now we can organize. Good work. What i meant to say is: We have 0 chance of having a 100% sure target, that means that we can fail at lynching, townies can mislynch, theres nothing to do about that. What we can do is to force ourselves to keep our voting. If after watching all the discussion and the clues we mislynch theres abosolutely nothing to prevent that. However, everytime a real townie change his votes he is actually giving the chance to mafia to switch and sway the voting too.
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On May 04 2009 12:18 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Malongo, how about no changing votes at all unless there is some major revelation? Like finding out about a mafia. There are no mayor revelations this game. Period. Your best shot about that is a DT claim, something that shouldnt happen at least with 3 rolechecks from him. Even in that case that could be a fake information. I mean, lets suppose a DT pms you and tells you XXX is mafia. Suppose we change the voting and turns green. What do we do? a) lynch you b) call the player you named and lynch him. No sorry. If something the DTs remaining should know how screwed we are. Mayor revelations during vote time (as for a lynch switch) are fishy as fuck. DTs: if you want to send a mayor revelation make sure this doesnt mean to switch votes (make it as soon as the day comes). We dont change votes. Townies dont need to change votes.
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On May 04 2009 12:27 GoodWill wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2009 11:01 Malongo wrote: 1- Qatol starts voting as a single townie. I don't know much about the rest of the "declaration". But Qatol needs to go today, and his 3 votes on Quickstriker is the only thing keeping him alive. Town, if you are reading this and your vote is not on Qatol, you need to change it now. I'm not sure about double lynch, if we get enough votes for it (it certainly doesn't look like we will get it just from the sheer amount of inactives alone), the second one should be Quickstriker. Since authorizing a double lynch today would mean less chance of lynching Qatol, I'm not going to vote for one today. The only thing I can do about todays voting is to ask for Double Lynch tomorrow. You dont seem to understand our position really. Even if we lynch Qatol and flips red we are indeed screwed. Not voting for a Double Lynch means we wont use the power ever. Lets suppose a great position for the town: mafia trade 2 hits tonight: 2 less mafia 1 less KP, 5 townies death (counting the CK). Then we are 35 people alive and about 9-11 mafia. One more lynch and five more hits. We dont have time thats for sure. I rather fail at double lynching instead of waiting in my living room for the game to end. The second reason is that actually lynching non voters and inactives forces mafia to come foward. If you can convince people to lynch Qatol i dont really care too much i wont change my vote to lynch him or to defend him. Im playing this game trying my best to HIT mafia. Lordweirds clue fit almost perfectly and thats why im voting him, because his behavior is as fishy as Qatol but his clue matchs better. Whatever happens in todays lynch i cant do anything else, im fighting for tomorrow. Vote Double Lynch.
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