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On April 25 2009 09:30 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Oh jeez, have some patience. If you're mafia, he'll probably put an obvious clue on your ass and he might put a red herring on you if you piss him off (Like Qatol said: "I know for a fact that last time BC ran a game, he gave clues to the same person like 3 days in a row because they pissed him off.") People are doing finals so he said he would be a bit liberal with the time so zen out to some music or something. Sorry about your cat, So No Fek . -_-' hes not feeling pissed for that u know? and since im not mafia he can do whatever he wants, no clues for me really. Finally ill say that my concern about the game is more related in the sense that the delay kills the town activity more than the mafia activity. Im quite sure BC would choose a pesty player calling for the day to come in over 10 inactives everyday :D. | ||
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On April 25 2009 10:48 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Like I said he could plant a red herring on you if you aren't mafia so I'd be appreciative. Furthermore, more night time gives more time for our blues to do their work; I doubt one of the mafia has yet to send in some names. You seem to know quite a lot about the mafia procedure. May i ask how do you think that? | ||
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On April 25 2009 16:08 Caller wrote: I think I might know what happened: A) The contract killer met with mafia B) Mafia wants contract killer's help (extra hit at night is powerful) C) Killer's goals are reduction of both town and mafia, thus killer demanded mafia kill one of their own. amirite? CK cant kill either until night 2. As always: read the rules Caller. | ||
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On April 25 2009 16:23 Caller wrote: Speaking of which I think there's a chance the pressing into eyes clue may be a reference to the coins that are needed to pay for the boatride after death. LTT's profile has: just sayin' Not defending anyone, but im surprised how many TLneters have boat references in theyr profiles. | ||
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On April 25 2009 16:27 Caller wrote: yeah, but death AND boats? Clearly the question is asking about the ride of Charon from the gates of Hell to the actual death. Also, Monoxide could be the reason that Nemy was killed. We don't actually see the source of Nemy's killer, and he feels a burning feeling in his lungs, meaning that it wasn't what he drank that killed him. Maybe it's implying that the mafia here is a gas, i.e. Carbon Monoxide? I agree Moxide is a chance since fire produces carbon monoxide. However that should be a side call since monoxide poisons the body by taking the place in the haemoglobin but it doesnt burn your lungs. The main concern about monoxide is that its not detectable when you are getting poisoned. I dont think monoxide is the best call here really. Im working in more clue analisis and i have a very good target. Ill post it in a few minutes. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Across town, Scaramanga handed some parcels to a courier, and closing his door, walked to his living room, and began throwing stacks of paper into his fireplace, burning as much as he could. Once he had the last pile safely in the fire, he gazed up to look at his tv, only too see an uncomprehensable phrase before the tv exploded, killing Scaramanga in the blast. from day 2 + Show Spoiler + Across town, Nemy and Bockit were sitting at a bar for drinks. Nemy was gazing down at a brown envelope before looking up and ordering another round for him and bockit. When the drinks arrived, the two smiled then cheered and tossed their drinks back. Bockit got up and walked over to a jute box and slid a quarter in, and an upbeat song started to play before he switched it to something else. Before he could turn around bockit head was slammed into the jute box over and over till he died. Nemy turned to the commotion and got up to save his friend, only to take a few steps and collapse, with a burning sensation in his lungs, he lay on the ground watching his friend die as the world slowly went black, all he could hear was footsteps walk past him, stop and snicker before continuing on, then he was dead. from Tricodes profile: Working to be in the entertainment business someday, but not an actor. I think its by far the best call given the amount of info we have and the way BC writes his clues. Im voting to lynch Tricode unless someone comes with something more convincing. | ||
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On April 25 2009 17:06 LTT wrote: 2 problems with this. Coins for Charon are put ONTO eyes not INTO them, although you could argue that this is BCs grammar mistake. Perhaps make the argument while listening to your JUTE box... The other is the question has nothing to do with Charron. It's an exchange in the play Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead. It is about the word play around the different definitions of being. The characters themselves are on a boat to England, which is where they die in the play Hamlet. If something im looking at the FIREBAT icon users LTT and ILOVEKTF because of the burning lungs. Burning lungs is a reference to burning gases. Id say its a lead but not that good yet see my previous post. | ||
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http://www.goodwillfireco.org/ related to the burning lungs. Also remember the participation of goodwill in all game after qatol lynched inertinept: On April 23 2009 23:50 GoodWill wrote: cool, let's lynch quickstirker next I think this is a C+ call. Still staying on tricode. | ||
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On April 26 2009 04:10 Incognito wrote: It may be a little early to tell, but I would suggest that maybe the split between the first and second paragraphs means that the first is for one family and the second is for the second. If the next day post comes up the same way (two paragraphs separated by a line break) then I'd think its safe to assume that. Very good point. Look how clues match very well to the first day (BC and Scaramanga deaths). Look too that our two DTs got hit from the same side, id say its safe to assume a pm leak over there. Also look that one family went for two semi inactives (bockit-nemy). I really think fusion and phyrri got a bad choice of trust. | ||
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We need to figure out how many hits each mafia has so we can try to figure out what the kill formula is. I think 2 hits per mafia is way too weak. I also think 3 hits each mafia is weak, but just means that the mafia need to focus and make sure they kill the town and not each other. Which would make it hard. I can see 2 successful protects being possible, but 4 seems very unlikely. We simply cant do that, we can estimate at best, i think each mafia has 3 kp as starting, 4 each seems too much and 2 too little. Once we have that figured out, does anyone know who the two DTs were in contact with? The only way for no one to have any idea is if the two DTs role checked the godfather who claimed vet or something and just told him what they were figuring it was statistically in their favor for him to NOT be godfaher. No way to know who they were in contact with. Im guessing here but this only seems to point to someone with a high profile or high influence in mafia games, if they pmd theyr role this was a missplay, if not we are playing with some lucky-super analitic mafia. However its quite unlikely because of the profile both players had in the game, pyrri was quite active and working but fusion was completely inactive, didnt even vote iirc. They couldnt had rolechecked anyone before night 2 so this is quite unlikely a godfather rolechecked. That seems very unlikely, unless hes a known power player from previous mafia games and has been active in the thread. Off the top of my head SoG and Caller come to mind from my post skimming, but those thoughts are just me thinking out loud and clearing some suggestions for what could cause the death of what seems like two DTs. Unfortunaltely i cant find a convincing clue against any high profile yet. It can be anyone that had the trust from both, ace, ver, sog, versatile, or even qatol, add as many as you want here. The problem is that we cant start pointing towards them, they are all equally inactive and no clues yet. "What seems to be DTs?" are you suggesting they werent? if something i think role reveal after death is the only thing the town has for sure. To summarize: Before our lynch we need to figure out 1. Who got hit last night. imposible to tell, might have been blocked hits or double hits from mafia. 2. figure out max mafia kills/formula imposible at best estimate 3 kp and 6 mafia each side. 3. Figure out who those DTs(?) blues were talking to. imposible unless you pm them. The only thing we can do again is clue analisis, medics should be doing his stuff, vigis should be preparing a hit or looking for targets, vets dunno. Where are you Qatol? Btw im gonna go with tricode this lynch i made a clue analisis that points towards him (see few pages back). I ask the town to read it and see if this works, i dont feel that happy about it but its the best i can see for now. Sorry tricode nothing personal here. | ||
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1 We have no info about the number of vigis for the town. Even thinking in 4 vigis we must save our double lynchs to important cases and handle them with extreme care. At this point in the game our mayority uninformed still lacks the information. 2 Im positively sure the two groups of mafia are more worried about the other group than the town. If the town loses the double lynchs lynching inocents its not that important for either mafia but a huge deal for the town. 3 We dont have strong leads. Even in my case, where i think tricode is mafia because the clue analisis i made plus the activity he has shown its a weak one. 4 We dont know how will come the mafia hits next day and always remember that there are 2 groups coordinated against the town. We cant afford to waste the lynchs helping anyside, if something, its better and the best plan for the town to wait that the two mafias hit eachother. Im not saying obviously that we dont lynch mafia, but wasting double lynchs to help one of them is not optimal, if one of the mafia wants to damage the other lets force them to use theyr own hits, not the town double lynchs. 5 Im guessing this will be a large game. The fact that there are 4 interest groups in this game will prove that the town itself has to use the advantage of numbers. In a close end double lynchs are probably the only thing the town will have. (and maybe the extra votes from the mayor). 6 I think the single townies are going to be extremately valuable this game, even the less active ones. The point is that all that is written in the thread will be source of analisis in a few days, but we cant make that much analisis with what we have so far so using double lynchs for next night is like pushing instead of waiting for more info. Please, please: if you really are town sided DONT vote double lynch, if you think like a townie and read my post you will see that saving double lynchs is quite the best choice: we dont have targets, lets wait to have more information. Its not important if you trust me or not or if you agree or dont agree with my clue-analisis, save double lynchs. Thank you. | ||
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On April 26 2009 17:21 Ace wrote: Im sure no one wants a double lynch at this point, that would be incredibly bad. On April 26 2009 11:31 Showtime! wrote: I vote for Monoxide for now. =/ I vote for double lynch as well. On April 26 2009 13:32 Chuiu wrote: I vote JeeJee I vote for double lynch LOL. | ||
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On April 27 2009 06:04 Qatol wrote: I'd like to call attention to this post and emphasize that the case against Monoxide is not only clue-related, but also STRONGLY behavioral-related. I'm willing to follow mikeymoo's lead on this one. He is a smart, well-known player who is risking his own reputation to call out a friend who is acting strangely. That is good enough for me when combined with the other evidence compiled. Another thing I'd like to mention is that right now we have more suspects than we can handle. Versatile, Monoxide, JeeJee, and Quickstriker are all strong suspects. This points to us using a double lynch on day 3 without even considering that we may have additional suspects by then. This is the worst bullshit ive read from you all game. Period. Dont Vote double lynch. I made a post 2 pages back explaining why we MUST SAVE THEM. Our "suspects" are not even remotely confirmed, and the double lynchs is one of the few things that the town has. Read my post, Please. One more note: Given the history in the previous mafia game and some pms we interchanged then im looking at you with crying eyes, because you agreed that game that the first bad move from the town was using a double lynch without confirmed targets. Im serious, Qatol you just started looking mafia to me. | ||
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On April 27 2009 09:57 Qatol wrote: In the future, please PM the person first before calling them out like this. If the private response isn't acceptable, you have that much more ammo to accuse them with. The real fact that i consider you a very good player tells me this is not a "mistake". I already pmd you and you should know what im talking about. | ||
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On April 28 2009 03:15 semioldguy wrote: I also think double lynch is a horrible play to make right now. We don't have enough solid to go on yet. This makes no sense to me. Why is it the best plan to wait for the mafia families to lynch each other??! Lynching mafia is lynching mafia and lowers the overall kill power. I don't think it matters too much to the town which family we are lynching as long as we are eliminating Mafia which lowers the overall kill power. What if the two families don't lynch each other? How can we determine who is in which family anyway? You appear innocent to me Malongo, but this is just bad thinking in my eyes. That point in my analisis was thinking in the case (highly problable imo) that each mafia is concerned more into lowering down the other mafia than killing single townies. I think i missexplained that point: if the 2 mafias try to hit the eachother by double lynch its not good for the town when they are "gambling" or using unsure targets, because theres a high chance that we misslynch and lose the double lynch. Then, IF mafia wants to hit eachother, by saving our DL, they have to use their own hits on that gamble or work for the town in the single lynchs wich is good for the town. Maybe that point is a little overlooked but honestly i just panicked when i saw 2 first votes for double lynch and tried to scream as loudly as i could maybe now i made myself clear? | ||
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On April 28 2009 11:21 Vivi57 wrote: Tricode, what's your plan if we do lynch jeejee and he turns up green Who's the next person we lynch? Quickstriker? Qatol? Monoxide? MALONGOS INSTINCT SAYS TRICODE | ||
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