On May 08 2009 09:55 LucasWoJ wrote:
Yeah, it wasn't to much the town playing poorly as the mafia playing extremely well.
Yeah, it wasn't to much the town playing poorly as the mafia playing extremely well.
No, we sucked. Really.
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
May 08 2009 00:56 GMT
#1258
On May 08 2009 09:55 LucasWoJ wrote: Yeah, it wasn't to much the town playing poorly as the mafia playing extremely well. No, we sucked. Really. | ||
Incognito
United States2071 Posts
May 08 2009 00:57 GMT
#1260
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
May 08 2009 00:59 GMT
#1265
On May 08 2009 09:57 Malongo wrote: Show nested quote + On May 08 2009 09:53 Incognito wrote: Also its sad how we get a more activity in the last 24 hours than in the last week combined. Meh thats just because mafia got active just look at the townies active. Whats up with you? You sounded really suspicious in pms. Especially when you kept hinting at the fact that your DT might be fact. Repeatedly. And what was up with your medic list??? | ||
Incognito
United States2071 Posts
May 08 2009 01:04 GMT
#1271
On May 08 2009 10:00 Malongo wrote: Show nested quote + On May 08 2009 09:59 Incognito wrote: On May 08 2009 09:57 Malongo wrote: On May 08 2009 09:53 Incognito wrote: Also its sad how we get a more activity in the last 24 hours than in the last week combined. Meh thats just because mafia got active just look at the townies active. Whats up with you? You sounded really suspicious in pms. Especially when you kept hinting at the fact that your DT might be fact. Repeatedly. And what was up with your medic list??? LOL sorry but you were the one suspicious to me in PMs. My medic list was... how to say... no medic list at all. Also being dictatorial makes us not want to listen to you. | ||
Incognito
United States2071 Posts
May 08 2009 01:12 GMT
#1277
On May 08 2009 10:04 JeeJee wrote: but yeah, towards the end (around day 3 or whatever it was; not counting the ones where qatol/me/monoxide died, those are post-game as far as im concerned) once i figured out L and lucas it was like day 3 or day 4 or whatever and not enough townies alive (that listen to reason i mean). but yeah incognito's pro. and why didn't you listen to me ilovektf T____T well it wouldn't have changed anything but still The only reason why you didn't die day 2 is because I saved your ass. If I didn't share your innocent-sounding pms you would have died. Too bad I was sharing them with Qatol. If you look back we voted for Versatile at the same time. Funny I asked Qatol to post his vote/reasons after I did to avoid suspicion o.o. Should've been the other way around. And it kinda sucks that Versatile was a vet but oh well. I'm not pro. Let me live plz. | ||
Incognito
United States2071 Posts
May 08 2009 01:15 GMT
#1282
And I'm sure it was fun and tasty. For mafia | ||
Incognito
United States2071 Posts
May 08 2009 01:23 GMT
#1285
and this. Please. On May 04 2009 17:04 Ace wrote: After the game is over I'll write up a really long post with some basic tips for playing mafia. No more talking from me. | ||
Incognito
United States2071 Posts
May 08 2009 01:36 GMT
#1288
On May 08 2009 10:31 Qatol wrote: Oh seriously one of the most surprising moments in the game to me: when t_co called me out. I didn't expect that at all. MAJOR props. You even had my plan figured out (you were going to be a sacrifice). Really? All I can remember was this: Also another idea: whenever we send PMs to one another concerning mafia, we both send a copy of the PM to Qatol. This will allow him to gradually build up a network of confirmed blues/townies with which to begin analysis. which is essentially what happened. | ||
Incognito
United States2071 Posts
May 08 2009 01:49 GMT
#1293
On May 08 2009 10:47 LucasWoJ wrote: I'd like to help with that game if possible. I imagine one probably learns more from the administrative side anyway. Kinda. Not really. Only if you don't know how to do clue analysis/planning stuff/balancing etc. | ||
Incognito
United States2071 Posts
May 08 2009 02:33 GMT
#1306
I'm also active/free enough to host a game. After my last AP which is on Tuesday that is. | ||
Incognito
United States2071 Posts
May 08 2009 02:37 GMT
#1311
On May 08 2009 11:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On May 08 2009 11:33 Incognito wrote: If there are dual mafias they have to kill each other to win please. Otherwise town = confused + screwed. I would have forced them to in the end, but as stated many times earlier by mafia members. Its in their best interest to rape the town first then eachother. They happened to trust eachother fully soon as they found eachother which in this game would have led to a double ko of the mafia. Um sure but the point is that if they don't know they have to kill each other till the end then they won't. Until you tell them. Telling them makes them nervous and makes them want to kill each other. Unless they want to be screwed/killed off first. | ||
Incognito
United States2071 Posts
May 08 2009 02:41 GMT
#1313
On May 08 2009 11:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote: They had roleclaimed fully to eachother right after bockits death. HAD at that point i said, sorry you have to kill eachother. We would have two dead mafia families and a town winning who deff did not earn it. the biggest issue in this game was mainly inactivity and people auto claiming to friends. This leads to huge issues as a host balance wise :p. Then at least tell people the rule change? Maybe? | ||
Incognito
United States2071 Posts
May 08 2009 02:45 GMT
#1317
I'm not telling | ||
Incognito
United States2071 Posts
May 08 2009 02:53 GMT
#1325
On May 08 2009 11:48 LTT wrote: Show nested quote + On May 08 2009 11:44 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: On May 08 2009 11:37 Incognito wrote: On May 08 2009 11:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On May 08 2009 11:33 Incognito wrote: If there are dual mafias they have to kill each other to win please. Otherwise town = confused + screwed. I would have forced them to in the end, but as stated many times earlier by mafia members. Its in their best interest to rape the town first then eachother. They happened to trust eachother fully soon as they found eachother which in this game would have led to a double ko of the mafia. Um sure but the point is that if they don't know they have to kill each other till the end then they won't. Until you tell them. Telling them makes them nervous and makes them want to kill each other. Unless they want to be screwed/killed off first. I think it's kind of like the prisoner's dilemma. If Mafia A and B both know that only 1 family can win, an additional goal is finding the list of the other family (doesn't seem to be too hard). So A and B know each other's members, what do they do? Say A chooses to snipe off B. This ensures that A will be the winning mafia team, but it also increases chance of victory for the town and provides clues. Thus this move is extremely risky early on and probably ensures town victory, barring the added variable of the CK. However, as the game progresses, one could expect that such an "all kill" is more likely. In this situation, B has 2 options: die, or also snipe off A in a mirror betrayal. The latter is the lose-lose situation. The former is also not as desirable as mutual cooperation. if both A and B choose to cooperate, this significantly increases the chance of a mafia family winning rather than the town. In the short term, this strategy is probably optimal: an uneasy truce. If the mafia knows that they can do this and the game will just end once town dies (see: this game) there's little reason for them to play differently, other than just for lols and for bragging rights. I think this makes sense. Not quite. The way that the members and killpower was set up, it was nearly impossible for one side to take the other out in a single night. This meant leaving survivors who could then just out the entire other mafia team. Mafia fighting each other was more mutually assured destruction than the prisoner's dilemma. CKs?? | ||
Incognito
United States2071 Posts
May 08 2009 02:55 GMT
#1328
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
May 08 2009 03:01 GMT
#1333
On May 08 2009 12:00 BloodyC0bbler wrote: shows your not m uch of a friend No wonder they don't kill each other off... | ||
Incognito
United States2071 Posts
May 08 2009 04:09 GMT
#1345
On May 08 2009 12:44 Qatol wrote: OK I think I'm mostly done with my writeup of this game from my perspective. http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=92894 Nice. But on I actually went to Ver accusing Mynock because I thought they were both mafia on opposite sides and I could possibly get one of you to freak out and kill everyone on my list (which I was going to add names to). Unfortunately the rules and the fact that you were already coordinated made my plan useless. That and the fact that Mynock wasn't mafia | ||
Incognito
United States2071 Posts
May 09 2009 21:29 GMT
#1444
On May 10 2009 05:51 Mynock wrote: Show nested quote + On May 10 2009 05:19 Ver wrote: Guys, Qatol roleclaimed to me since he was on the verge of quitting from getting lied to repeatedly about what was going on and killing a mafia member when he was told he couldn't. If I wasn't mafia (although he had good reasons for thinking I was) the game would've been over right then. Please don't make up some phony conspiracy theories of how the mafia played so tricky allying first when they weren't supposed to. That's just what I said but it's phrased differently. The game would have ended right there, so BC patched things up so it isn't. Mafia went complaining to BC first, since they noticed it first, and got what they wanted. So you really think the game was meant to be played that way? Obviously not, since you disagree with BC's ways as well. BC should have made the two families completely separate, and actually that's what the Town always believed is the case. THE WHOLE GAME. EVERY goddamn lynch attempt was made with that in mind. This also goes to Qatol. You also used this misconception, and based all your defense on it. You knew the rules didn't work like that by then, because by that time BC told you the truth. Ver also knew, and he then came up with his own defense, which was ALSO based on how the two families would have to kill each other in the end. You were basically lying to the Town about the RULES of the game, even tho you guys were ready to throw it all when you felt that YOU were being lied to. Still, it's OK to deceive the Town in the same way, right? Qatol, you're saying Town played poorly by not lynching a mafia earlier? Town partly left you in office for all that time, because it figured you will at least fight the other Mafia. BC was watching all that, and never ever decided that maybe Town should actually know what they're playing. Hell, there might have been a surprise third faction of Vampires, how would we know? Yes, maybe BC lied to you guys for the first night, but he never told the truth to the Town for the WHOLE game. You had a slow start, Town was crippled from the beginning to the very end. Lying about in-game stuff is OK (hell, that's what this game is about, deception), lying about the RULES of the game, when you, in fact, know better, is pretty dirty. ^^Read this please. Stop talking about mafia hits town options/scenarios or whatnot. Just let us know the actual rules of the game please. Thats all I ask. If what Ver/Qatol is saying is really true and the two mafia families were designed just to handicap the mafia for the first few days, then fine. But please state that in the rules. If you tell us the actual rules of the game then the game is quite balanced. But we need to know the rules first. Very important. Just look at some of the arguments about lynching Qatol on day 2 or was it 3? People were saying we should leave Qatol alive because the extra lynches would help us even if its against the other mafia family. If we knew the rules, maybe he wouldn't have lived??? | ||
Incognito
United States2071 Posts
May 09 2009 21:35 GMT
#1446
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
May 09 2009 21:39 GMT
#1449
Point: Everyone should know the rules. | ||
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