Is the life of one DT worth that of one mafia?
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On November 03 2008 01:30 Caller wrote: Couldn't we start by say ordering all current suspects to vote on x person and all others to vote on y person? All deviants could then be lynched, etc. Then we have a dt check x list (or all of them) and one of them posts DT says so-and-so? at which point we see if mafia kills him/her that night and if they don't then we get dt to role-check somebody (like me) and see if they confirm the role or not? And if they role-check mafia, well, free lynch lol. On the other hand if the DT is a fake they'll either reveal themselves really easily or end up sacrificing a mafia to keep the illusion alive for one more turn. On November 03 2008 01:10 Plexa wrote: I think lynching the DT is best.. but we do it like this Day 1 - person speaks up, orders people to vote in places; DT checks him but doesn't speak up Day 2 - person orders a second list of hits; DT checks a list an gets number of mafia Day 3 - DT speaks up, posts all his information and gets lynched Thus the DT has used his two most useful abilities already and is no longer a liability to the town. Knowing a DT is alive and having to protect him every night is a pain in the ass (see Empyrean from last game) especially seeing that the suicide bomber will likely get him. Thus we remove a liability from our side (keeping everything more secret in terms of medics) as well as verifying a leader - who is also a liability (can't have two liabilities am i right?). Also because the lynch lists were ordered, we can easily check lists and find out where the mafia are. Also, if we lynch the person instead of the DT then mafia can just fake-role claim DT and we lose a jack or a veteran. AND we have the possibility of the mafia confusing things when DTs are saying opposing things. Lynching the DT is the only way to be sure. The second part sounds interesting though | ||
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On November 03 2008 01:36 Amber[LighT] wrote: Case 1: Person claiming vet is mafia I'm still not following on why we are planning to lynch our own DT's after 3 days. It's not making too much sense at the moment. Why not just keep them alive as long as possible if they get sufficient information. If they get killed then so what, their information will be very helpful either way. I'm going to give your plan another read Ace and we can try it out for a couple of days, but I would rather not lynch someone who's helping us. -> DT speaks up on day 3 with information that the person is mafia -> Kills a mafia for the town for the price of one DT (would have happened anyway when person role checks and speaks up if we dont have a leader) -> Get's more information than normally without leader for the life a DT -> Town +1 Mafia -1 DT = reasonably fair trade off Case 2: Person claiming vet is NOT mafia -> DT doesn't speak up -> No one is lynched, and we have a leader | ||
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On November 03 2008 01:51 HeRoS)Pink wrote: If everyone is posting it hides blues equally as well as being inactiveI don't get why we are lynching an inactive townie on day 1, I mean most of the blues won't post much in order to stay alive and use their power at least one time. Since there's no mayor I don't think any DT will try analyzing clues risking to be killed by mafia on night 1, it would be a total waste of a DT. I can only imaging Vet or townies analyzing clues or even mafia. Well that's only my opinion | ||
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On November 03 2008 02:26 Empyrean wrote: You know DT's only get 2 list checks right?My plan is much the same as the Mandalor plan of last game, which is to have two groups of people vote for the two top suspects. We'll have this go on for a few days, while the detectives take turns alternating checking the lists while the last detective checks one at random each night. After, say, four lynch votes, the detectives will reveal their list of how many mafia voted for each candidate, and we can use simple math from there. At this point, the two original DTs reveal their lists (and will likely be killed) while the third just waits. If any mafia decide to claim DT and give a conflicting view, the third DT will speak up. He'll likely get killed the next night as well. But still, once all the detectives are dead, we will have six-eight Mandalor style lists, as well as the names of any mafia who roleclaimed DT (since the DTs are dead, anyone who gave conflicting information by roleclaming DT will logically be mafia). | ||
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On November 03 2008 02:26 fusionsdf wrote: When decaf acted as a vigil there were no clues in the scene because mafia hit him that night as well - it was one of the most memorable nights oft he game haha boy there were like 25 nights, so that would take a looong time to go through. But for instance when naruto vigid, he left clues behind that day post saying things like "the victim was animated" or something like that I think plexa probably remember most of these better than I do | ||
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my mistake | ||
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No time to read the thread, and saw that there was this plan in motion so i'll blindly follow it | ||
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On November 03 2008 16:43 fanatacist wrote: This is such mafia reasoning. I strongly suspect you as mafia after what happened during the random drawing - and now this? I can't find any clues to link to you right now but damn, you look like a mafia. Also, how about getting another DT to check up on Folca? I don't think I can vote for anyone until I have a double-verification of some sort. Wouldn't it seem likely for a Mafia to get rid of an active with strong analysis like Ace? I mean, I guess this is why we would be killing Folca too, but is it worth the loss of Ace? | ||
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On November 03 2008 10:28 MTF wrote: Can you honestly say decaf is a better candidate than Gladius? Not saying that decaf isn't mafia; but imo the clues a stronger in Gladius's direction especially seeing that coffee has been in other chuiu clues. Ugh, sorry guys. Short version of today is that my internet went down. (long story involves a loose hamster chewing through internet cables) Anyway, I haven't had time to read through the thread yet, but here's my assessment on the clues so far. Keep in mind that all of these connections are going to be weak, as we're just starting here. MidnightGladius: Profile Quote: "It's time to acknowledge the inevitable. Stifle your pride and embrace the glory of change." Clues: + Show Spoiler + "the noose now tight around his neck Chuiu took a look over at the man ready to pull the switch. "Embrace the release that death brings you", he stated as he pulled the switch." "Then one person stood atop the gallows embracing the moment he cried out to the town" Both instances of the word "embrace" are during a time of change, which directly correlates with the profile quote. EDIT: P.S I like your plan Folca (you must have posted while i was searching for this analysis). Best thing we can do imo - losing a DT this early is a real drawback for the town. I change my vote, and vote for MightnightGladius | ||
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On November 04 2008 01:16 Bockit wrote: I would just like to chip in and say that this is a nice simplification of the whole thing. I agree with this.Ok, finally caught up with a majority of posts. I think there are two options right now. 1)Lynch Folca. This gives us so much information it's ridiculous. If he comes up as a detective we know Ace is mafia and we stop a mafia scheme, all the stuff Folca has been saying is good about how he found Ace out etc. If he pops red then while still unsure about Ace's allegiance we just killed a mafia and stopped a scheme. 2)Lynch based on clues and see what mafia do tonight. If they kill him, well, yeah. If they don't, we get more info from him and then lynch him to see if he's dt or not. Not sure which I would go for atm. Probably 1. | ||
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If you have to post that many times after yourself please just edit your first post quintuple posts are not acceptable | ||
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1) No OSL news for the finals 2) No mafia clue analysis, or any sign of being active in mafia The reason for both of these is that I am currently in finals season, i had one two days ago, and i have one in aprrox 8.25 hours. I won't be able to do anything mafia related until after monday (KST) so until then why should the mafia waste a hit on me when you have so many other people who are posting useful and relevant analysis on the current situation. The 4 who died were the most active posters advocating for decaf's lynch iirc? There's got to be something in that. I haven't done much analysis and only read over the thread a few times, but the fact that they tried so hard to get decaf lynched and now are dead mean one of two things; a) The mafia wanted us to observe that all these people wanted decaf dead are now dead themselves, and because decaf is mafia, people would think that this move by the mafia means that decaf is green (and want the townies to waste a lynch on decaf) as killing off all his accusers looks really suspicious and makes decaf look like a mafia. b) Mafia is stupid, and just exposed decaf as mafia basically a) Mafia is trying to fake out the town, b) Mafia just fucked up really bad haha | ||
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btw ~OpZ~ do you really think i was going to die the first night? do you not think i had protection last night? last night i had protection, but i didn't get hit (of course i was going to get protection -.-; mafia would have known this) mafia aren't that dumb to waste a hit on me i suspect they hit a veteran by accident. btw opz for your reasoning to hold why isn't camlito, mtf and fusionsdf dead (who were other major clue investigators from last game) anyway heading out to my exam now - wish me luck! | ||
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