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So I'm interested in hearing from the Mafia what things they thought were unfair and what the hell happened with the irc incident | ||
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Quick breakdown from my P.O.V. The beginning was myself and Ghar talking a lot of strategy. This was why I was defending Ghar so much early in the game. Caller and Lenwe were a major help with figuring things out. Once we realized we could trust Empyrean him and the other detectives were great. Showtime! was cool, I purposely didn't even say much to stop him from being bad because everyone on the inside knew Showtime! would live, and we all were sure he was innocent. HE wasn't too bad at clue breakdowns either. Plexa came to me after I was silent for a few days. Then Camlito came around. When we all died and Hotzhot became a prime suspect I thought about that mirror stuff and called it on hotzhot. If you look at the "z" as the axis and think of a 2-sided mirror you realize what hotzhot looks like I left out a ton but I'll eventually remember more. | ||
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On August 05 2008 10:18 Alethios wrote: Oh that was nasty Mandalor... Yeah... so I was the guy who delivered the dying wishes of Ace and the boys As some have said, myself, Scorch, Wysp and Nemy formed a detective team of sorts... I tried to keep my head down... attacking Ace at times... trying to give the impression I was just a spamming nobody... but you killed me off just before I could implement my master plan. (Was this just blind luck or did you suspect how much information would die with me?) Oh well... GG! a couple of people played that role nicely - appearing as an enemy to me in public but really being cooperative with the town. qrs was a jackass though. He was never really helpful to me when I was alive, and pretty much only became useful once everyone else was dead and almost all of the work was done. If you would have read the last posts by myself and Plexa you would see some interesting connections | ||
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This isn't about what happened months ago - this was an ongoing thing which most of us were watching while wondering what the hell you were doing. Literally, Plexa and Co had to convince me you were just a horrible townie and not mafia because there were MANY times I was close to advocating your lynch. You were pretty much Mafia #21 and their MVP. | ||
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thats the part I dont get. Even if the channel was unpassworded how did you knew it existed? and even though Plexa gets a lot of credit, Camlito was the genius behind a lot of stuff. Really there were a lot of people that did much. very good game though. Even though I don't think Mafia would have won if you killed plexa early (Camlito was still alive) it is what it is. good game. | ||
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that chat log is AWESOME! hahahahahahahaha that makes waiting forever for the end of this game to end fucking worth it! <---creamed his pants about this thought: when it was found out the chat channel was infiltrated showtime! (Rk) goes: see, I told you guys to use fake nicks! ironically EVERYONE else who was blue didn't and the only vanilla townies did. hahaha | ||
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I'm guessing you did it on Empyrean's name since he was the only "known" blue at that point. but good shit, this has made me laugh so hard. | ||
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And of course I couldn't exactly go "hey whats empyrean's role" so that was moot. Mandalor tipped me off though in a reply PM that he knew what New104 was, like I figured he would putting 2 and 2 together, and I just scratched the role check plan. I think it was Caller that was like lets go ahead with the mass vote checking plan. When the IRC incident happened I was like thank god not all my bodyguards were ever in that channel so I just figured we could live a bit long. Also that IRC thing DID kill decaf. I had a plan with Plexa about how to figure it out and it turned out Kh101 was ALSO a legit blue. We were hoping that the worst case scenario didn't happen and it did. As for randombum being elected Mayor, I do remember saying hey townies lets not fuck me over. If RB got Mayor the game would have been chaotic. I could see him saying fuck your BG plan and shitting on everyone asap. As fo is it worth it for Mafia to take mayor and sacrifice themselves: at the beginning I said no. Just checking the vote list would incriminate a lot of people. But now I have mixed feelings. There were a lot of things I did as Mayor that probably seemed questionable - but I have no choice. As Mayor you pretty much have to be the "leader" and the person "in charge". Have to take a lot of shit from retarded townies, have to try an sift through bullshit PMs (I think LTT sent me something), and also try and keep people focused and on the right track. After this game I think if a Mafioso gets Mayor the town is in some shit. The fact that I was protected and pretty much confirmed innocent let a lot of people speak through me and keep themselves alive for a long time. | ||
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I can already see someone ready to kill Showtime! as soon as lynch time starts. | ||
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Originally randombum should have been vote checked asap after me. However when the Mandalor thing happened we immediately ditched it and went for vote checking. I was sure a lot of mafia would vote for mandalor to "fit in", and randombum wasn't a priority. The thinking was if he's in the Pardoner seat he can't pardon any surefire mafia for any reason or he'd incriminate himself. Empyrean wanted him as the top suspect but we never got around to it. Then I remember the bumatlarge/randombum debate. Somehow, some way we all lost track of it after bumatlarge turned green. Then came crunch time. When it was clear myself and Plexa were going to die pretty soon, we had to pool all of our knowledge together to make a clear case against everyone we had pinned. randombum who was always "there" as a suspect became top priority after a couple of things. 1.) Camlito or Plexa, one of them urged me he was surely mafia. They had clues linking to him. 2.) I noticed randombum, the same guy who promised to be so active was literally gone for most of the game. But it wasn't until I went back to earlier posts did it REALLY hit the fan - The Mayor vote. We started looking at known mafia and the mayor vote. I noticed that at the end, a few mafia voted to almost put randombum over even though by that point Empyrean was surely not going to be Pardoner. In one of the last posts before I died I outlined it, and we even noticed how some of their reasoning for putting RB up was just bullshit. Then I looked at the night where I think it was More_Minerals, one of my BGs died. It was staring us in the face of how the attacker came from the building MM was GUARDING. After all that, what really sealed the deal was this PM which explained how the hell dinmsab got killed: From: dinmsab Subject: mafia Date: 3/20/08 13:53 I'll go straight to the point... Empyrean is a detective, as a detective myself I have confirmed this using my powers. Its up to you guys to sway the public opinion to go against lynching him, if all fails... pardon him. I know some random guy running up to you and claiming to be a detective might be a bit weird and suspicious.. but I give u my word, I am a detective. The reason I pm'd both of you is because if anyone of 2 of you are mafia, and i die tomorrow.. the other will know. He sent me this along with sending it to randombum. Mafia didn't kill him right away which was a good move but when he died it definitely was a what the fuck moment. I had an explanation about this as a horrible move in my notes: A problem with dimsab is that he investigated EMP b4 even investigating me. If EMP was truly a DT and I was Mafia, that would be a really dumb move if he's Towny. He did this pretty much right after I was elected which means there was no time for any other DT to "be silent". That means dimsab is Mafia false claiming, or is really playing risky and didn't read the plan. 2 things: If Emp dies and is anything but DT, dimsab is surely Mafia. However, if dimsab dies and isn't Dt that doesn't implicate EMP, it could be a Mafia ploy hoping we kill EMP also just because a Mafia "vouched" for him. I definitely didn't suspect RB of being mafia so early in the game, but I never came back to this part of my notes at all later. Notes This is the very, very beginning of the game first impressions notes I had jotted down. Stop at top of 31 Suspects: ahrara_ - doesn't read or plainly is Mafia because he is calling a pretty logical plan bad (p.20). However, he caught on to Empyrean's bad logic to get the Mayoral election. His plan is to lynch the real DT anyway to see if he's legit...possibly bad, but can be good. He isn't 100% as dumb as he sounds though. aZnvaLiaNce - asking to put strategy behind us the first night, clearly stupid or crazy. says he supports me after the plan is posted. araav - ran for mayor on ridiculous pretenses SonofaBob - voted for araav on even more ridiculous pretenses CDRDude - shaky posts on page 21, calling araav's platform "good" when it was clearly crap Plexa - says never to trust an australian with 10 posts (Ghar) p.21 EvilMonkey - nonsense posts xDark.Carnivalx - seems logical for now but voted for Araav, bandwagoner? Naib - claims Araav's posts make the most sense when they clearly dont, accusing Ghar already Empryean claims DT on Mayor voting Day, so early when it isn't even needed much. He is clearly leading to some confusion among the Townies, and is already starting to point fingers (at ahrara). He "concedes" to me after he realizes it's almost a sure bet I will be elected Mayor, and instead Happily settles for Pardoner. He also isn't "defending" himself with any reason when suspicious posts of his are pointed out. Bockit - complete nonsense Somuchbetter - seems like a smart guy, understood the plan Ghar/myself suggested and is willing to embrace it. Amber[Light] - thought he was smart, but posted something completely off the wall that no sane person would have - I think he may be scum Lenwe - voted for randombum, but posted a pretty good reason for why. Is playing cautious. qrs - thinking way too much about the wrong things,however is willing to follow the BodyGuard Plan and has seen how it works out. He questions almost everything I do, which is good but it seems to come from posts other people make. Hopefully it's just enthusiam and not a sheepish mentality over proving my status. Heros)Pink - saying not to put Ghar in position because clues point to him even though they really dont, is vying for Empyrean against me and Ghar. THis dude is very odd, as even when logic stares him in the face he refuses to look. RtS)Night[Mare - think Empryean wouldn't be Mafia again is a bad idea to start off with. advocated voting on only 4 players and "closing the vote" even when only 35 votes were cast. Blindly supporting Empyrean even when it's obvious Emp is acting weird. L - seems to be thinking smart. Sharp guy, seems to be supporting me. BWdero - puts Ghar on his suspect list just because others have also, bandwagoner? Klive5ive - is very opposed to myself and Ghar for Mayor. Klive is also supporting voting for Empryean. He is trying to post logical, but his logic is clearly backwards. Mafia? Is VERY opposed to myself and Ghar. He even sounds shady when posting as he wants to kill Townies somewhat fast. He also supported araav. Extremely blind support of Empyrean, assumes he is innocent off the bat. Falcynn - Seems to be working towards the greater goal of the Town. Seems logical. Shallow[Bay] - very off the wall, but is posting clues which helps. He may be a hidden weapon against Mafia if he would stop being so crazy. Mynock - seems very logical in his posts, levelheaded for sure Yogurt - what the fuck? supporting Empyrean based on nonsense. Changed his vote to me AFTER empyrean "conceded" his election to me. His first vote for Empyrean was in the midst of nowhere. Falcynn - as of now I think he may be Townie, as he is generally helpful with everything he does. votes with logic and questions stupidity. Hittegods - seems genuinely interested in how the plan works. spoinka - voted for me asap but doesn't post often Naib - also voted for me even though he seems to be second guessing himself GeneralStan - seems genuinely good, smart enough to see Empyrean's shit Lysithea - decent JeeJee - heavily against Empyrean and all he stands for Last Romantic - likes the bodyguard plan but voted for Empyrean and would vote for araav Ziel - supports Bodyguard plan and Ghar, realizes we must carry the plan out zeks -quiet towny, not really bad so far. advocates Mayor and Paronder work together caller - admits to being a flip flop, wants Pardoner Hollander - vigilant in getting clues bumatlarge -called out empyrean to prove his innocent Wysp - seems like a solid, reasonable guy. Has been against Empyrean from the get go. LucasWoj - seems to be a misguided townie, not sure of what to do at all. May have good intentions but he claims medic, and claimed to protect Shallow[bay] the first night. | ||
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This is just some stuff I'm sure townies would like to see that I just looked at. rom: randombum Subject: Re: dimsaab Date: 3/21/08 12:24 Yea that's pretty much how I feel. We'll see if any dts come forward and say you are mafia. Even if dimsaab is mafia false claiming then if nobody says anything about you, it will be safer to assume you are townie. I'll just wait to see what happens. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Yea I got his PM, and yes I made a note of it that he could be trying to trick us. I'm not 100% sure of your innocence yet but I'm gonna share the note I had made: A problem with dimsab is that he investigated EMP b4 even investigating me. If EMP was truly a DT and I was Mafia, that would be a really dumb move if he's Towny. He did this pretty much right after I was elected which means there was no time for any other DT to "be silent". That means dimsab is Mafia false claiming, or is really playing risky and didn't read the plan. 2 things: If Emp dies and is anything but DT, dimsab is surely Mafia. However, if dimsab dies and isn't Dt that doesn't implicate EMP, it could be a Mafia ploy hoping we kill EMP also just because a Mafia "vouched" for him. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Hey, did you get a PM from dimsaab about a certain few powers of some people? What do you think of it. Could he be a mafia trying to trick me? Did you get his PM? Could he be tricking both of us? Your thoughts? This is from Showtime after CTStalker died: From: Showtime! Subject: fuck Date: 3/22/08 23:51 ok so not ctstalker. new list of Australians: RodierBob Fen Ghar Gotta love showtime haha From: BWdero Subject: my mafia role Date: 3/23/08 01:23 Alright, day 2 has come and no detective has spoken up. This combined with your excellent posts has convinced me 100% that you are not a mafia. So I hereby send you my role: I am but a simple townie. Go get those mafia basterds. From: ShaLLoW[baY] Subject: Re: Mafia Date: 3/23/08 11:00 Alright, but in my opinion Ghar's case is pretty solid. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: I won't tell you yet because once I figure something else out I need everyone to act in unison. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Alright, I've placed my vote for Ghar because that MSPaint is very, very incriminating; unless there's someone you'd rather I vote for instead? I'd prefer you told me who to change to via PM though. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: understood, but right now some more pressing information has come up. Pretty much a Mafia member is getting lynched today for sure. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: I really think there's a solid case against Caller, as lots of objects in his signature reference clues dropped in the game (lead, mud, etc.) Just so you know From: 0cz3c Subject: Re: Recommendation Date: 3/24/08 05:24 Oh, I see. Sorry for the attack then. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: I know, but if I post the list of suspects *right now* something bad might happen. I'm hoping to hope this one person responds to me asap so I dont have to put an innocent potentially into the cross fire by revealing their role. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: I'd recommend you post who is mafia VERY soon (even if the list is one person). You have 8 hours as of now before Chuiu officially would declare NIGHT, and in that time, certainly 123 people will NOT be on. A large part that has voted for Ghar might be away celebrating Easter, and might never abstain (never get the chance to). Expecting PMs on Easter is a bad idea -- ALOT of people are away. The rest of us awaiting your post can't be on forever to vote the way you suggest. From: Mandalor Subject: Re: info Date: 3/24/08 06:48 Well at least I know what new104's role is now lol ----------------------------------------- Original Message: lol nice try ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Omg I just came back from the easter fires. New104 is a bodyguard. fuck I hope you can have the votes withdrawn from me lol ----------------------------------------- Original Message: I need that info asap. From: 0cz3c Subject: DT Check Date: 3/25/08 00:30 I think you should ask a DT to ask Chuiu how many mafia voted for Ghar. It's a smaller number, so it can be narrowed down quicker and more substantially. Furthermore, would a DT be able to check Abstain? Because once all three are checked, it establishes how many mafia are inactive/laying low. If 1. They are inactive -- That's awesome for us, since we can concentrate on killing the active, sure, obvious ones. 2. They are laying low -- You can force them to come out into the open. For example -- they might be laying low because a previous clue was linked to them. Those that haven't responded to last night's accusations can be examples. It's easier to kill the number of mafia that are actually posting in the thread when we know how many are posting in the thread. From: Showtime! Subject: I'm trying to push Plexa around Date: 3/25/08 22:41 to see if my suspicions are correct. I still believe shadowdrgn or MG should bite the bullet tonight along with Heros and Ghar. Like I said before I would at least go with shadow, Ghar and Heros. You need to take some control back over the townies and by using force. From: ShaLLoW[baY] Subject: mafia Date: 3/28/08 10:22 I know Pink is a Paramedic, I'm just posting to divert mafia attention because he made it pretty obvious with his post. From: Showtime! Subject: wtf is aarav Date: 3/28/08 11:38 doing in the channeL? I thought you told me you suspected him. From: araav Subject: Re: info Date: 3/29/08 00:54 Ace, you are right, sure. not a big deal. But why would we make the town think I am mafia? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: just ignore Showtime. No idea why he is making this such a big deal. I didn't even pay it any mind when I realized whoever got in there couldn't have known enough info about the roles because nothing in there was revealed. They basically only know everyone in there was innocent which doesn't do much. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Ace, then please explain me what will we get out of this farce? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: yea I saw it, I kicked the person out. I know you're a confirmed innocent but we'll just act like you're a mafia for now. Showtime is making it a much bigger deal than it needs to be, whoever came in that channel only saw 3 or 4 names max I think, and another name that was codenamed. Either way something fishy happened but I wasn't around to find out. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Ace, you sure? Have you seen it with your eyes? Then we - the town - are in trouble! ----------------------------------------- Original Message: You said you didn't know about the channel at all? Someone came in with the name araav... From: araav Subject: Re: info Date: 3/29/08 01:17 ok, your choise. let's see what happens. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: so the Mafia wouldnt hit you at night if we think you're a suspect. I mean some of us KNOW you're innocent, but they dont know that. From: LTT Subject: Re: A thought Date: 3/29/08 01:34 Alright. I feel a little better about it now. I guess I was just freaking out that all of our detectives/bodyguards were going to die tonight and that we wouldn't get any information from the two vote split plan because all the votes are currently muddled. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Araav was already a suspect anyway, but I didnt want to use a role check at all. I got into the room way after everything happened and was catching up with everyone. I thought it wasn't araav at all to be dumb enough to use his real name, but we had to be sure so we wasted a check. The thing is the IRC channel is impossible to guess so something went wrong, and I think I have an idea how. The good thing is, it wasn't all blues in that channel, nor all the DTs or Bodyguards. Some of them dont even jump in the IRC channel. It was impossible for whoever it was to know what was what, and afaik no one revealed any critical info. But yes, it's made the game more exciting. I think after today/tonight's results we'll stop being so "careful" and just have more fun. There is no point in playing if everyone isnt having fun no matter who wins or loses. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Well, it sounds like it is time to weigh in. I stopped caring about this thread as soon as it was clear what was happening. Ace, your plan was great but it made the game rediculously boring for those of us who weren't in the loop. I made the comment to Bob that it felt like you were turning the game into a Single player game. Ace vs Mafia. Extremely effective, but not much fun for the rest of us. There was no incentive to play at all because even if we managed to win, it wouldn't be due to anything us peons did. This araav thing seems to have changed things though. From these last few pages, it sounds like you used a rolecheck to clear him. I think using role checks at this point is a very bad idea. Even if araav was cleared, what guarantee do you have that it was really him who got into your chatroom? I believe you said this was an IRC channel. I hang out in the teamliquid channel all the time. Changing your name is a simple as typing /nick (newnickname). If araav was the culprit, why would he use his real name? Is there some other information that you got that convinced you it was araav? If you aren't certain, I think we have to assume that mafia got into your channel somehow. You said they only learned the names of 6 blues. If ANY of those blues are detectives, your original plan is in trouble. Without the ability to check the votes it is going to be much harder to find the 10 mafia in the two group split. If detectives are at risk, I'd advise you to use them to get as many numbers as you can right now. Those numbers will help us much more down the road than an individual role check will. And why the double lynch? Getting two mafia would be great, but the "vote for whoever you want" on the second vote seems like it ruins the two group split plan. I really think you should direct our votes a little better and very quickly. Barring a kidney stone flare up, there is less than 11 hours left until voting ends. From: Plexa Subject: Re: Innocent List Date: 4/11/08 15:26 vigils get two shots right? 1) Queasy 2) Chez ----------------------------------------- Original Message: yea, which means Energies is almost out of kills. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Chezinu was hit by energies I know fusionsdf is innocent (or rather 99% sure) and he gave me a choice between chezinu and fusion im sorry about that.... originally we were planning to hit SMB but we decided to follow the plan ----------------------------------------- Original Message: well if EvilMonkey turns out Mafia, all the others have to be innocent. I thought Chezinu was innocent also but the Vigis hit him. I dont even know which Vigi hit bumatlarge but more importantly I just got this PM: To: imDerek Subject: Re: about night 4 Date: 4/11/08 15:16 didnt know ----------------------------------------- Original Message: I'm not sure if you counted me in when you made the extremely important post, but I also protected Plexa in night 4. did you know this or not? 4 people protecting Plexa? I didn't tell imDerek to do anything but I don't think he's guilty yet. After this lynching, if EM comes up Mafia well imderek is innocent. If he's green we've got a situation. Either way Grandim and Hollander are both 100% legit at this point. L, HerosPink, imderek, and KH are suspects with the former 2 being my main picks for liars right now. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: ok, just making sure there isn't anything lying around you think fusionsdf is innocent btw? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: which ones? Almost everything is in the thread at some points. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: One more thing, if its possible could you give me some dt lists? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: nope none of them knew others were protecting you. L, Heros and Grandim all protected you. The latter told me you took a hit, L didn't he just told me "good call" in a PM. Hollander covered Lenwe. KH101 covered Decafchicken. And I told decaf to assume vet status last night and he said he did. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: one more thing about the meds; who were protecting me? and did they know about the others? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: This is the original info on medics Medics(8/7): LucasWoJ(#) - claimed to protect Shallowbay 1st night Grandim - claimed to have protected Falcynn 1st night, and Falcynn survived 1 hit against him HeRoS)Pink - claimed to protect x.dark (who wasnt targetted he says) wurm(#) - Falcynn says wurm sent him a PM claiming to have protected him imDerek - claims to have protected Alventenie first night, who survived 1 hit Hollander - claimed to have protected Emp who did not get hit L - claimed medic role, protected Emp night 1 KH1031 - claimed to have protected Emp night 1 Hollander and Grandim are almost surely innocent. imderek possibly. L, Heros and KH are suspect but I have to go back and check past PMs - I think KH is legit. Of course Lucas and wurm are both dead. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: how does our medic list shape up? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: oh btw let me explain the full situation: The chat room had in total at any one time: Showtime! 4 BGS 3 DTS 1 Jack (supposed) The problem was with the Jack. He might have messed up some info, might not but I was still suspicious up until Day 2 - someone would have had to come forward by then but no one did. Then something strange happened. He kept telling me he was using his DT powers "all the time" and Chuiu was forgetting. This was my first alert. The second was the list, I didn't think ALL those guys were innocent. HE was "confusing" himself by saying he meant to check the "randombumlist" but checked the "bumatlarge" list. Either way this doesn't make sense with the adding and deleting some names. The FINAL nail in the coffin? 3 BGS died in one night - only the ones in the channel. The info had to be leaked because the channel was on a different server from the TL.net channel purposely AND you had to guess the name. So in confidence for now, I'm giving you the name - DECAFCHICKEN. See if you can find any clues to him. So far I've seen his name pop up once. Good luck in your analysis. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Thats fine with me ----------------------------------------- Original Message: later tonight, as you can see I'll be having to go through a lot of info to change things around now. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Hey Ace, I hope you can still trust that i am a townie after that incident of arkive being mafia. Anyway, possible you could send me over a list of innocents? Would mean i could better focus my searching ^^ From: Plexa Subject: Re: Medics Date: 4/11/08 17:40 kk better spend them wisely then! ----------------------------------------- Original Message: also Energies(Ordell) kills look like this. 1.)Queasy 2.)Chezinu BC(Max) 1.) Shadowdragon butIdigress(louis?) 1.) bumatlarge So we should have 4 total vigi kills left. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: ok awesome - we'll let naruto sit tight tonight then ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Im with it. I'll give the order to BloodyCobbler tomorrow night. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: I propose this, we vigil KH If he is medic, then we know decaf is blue If he is red, then we celebrate and know decaf is red Medic is less important than jack so its better to do it this way imo ----------------------------------------- Original Message: well it's a gamble but... If a vigi kills decaf who has so much evidence pointing towards him right now turns him Mafia, then KH101 is Mafia because he lied and we just caught 2 for the price of 1 and our medic problem should be over. If decaf turns blue well we dont know shit about KH101 yet anyway. If anyone else turns out Mafia from the meds that should make both of them legit. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: kk ill keep that in mind ----------------------------------------- Original Message: and Heros too. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: So right now our medic suspects are L and KH right? From: decafchicken Subject: Re: holy shit Date: 4/12/08 07:22 yea i know people are skeptical of azn, but he's def innocent. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: so those 2 are innocent? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: OH FUCK i just realized what happened with the voting. I MEANT to check bumatlarge, and asked for randombum(confirmed via screenshot of my PM to chuiu) instead (must've mixed up the two bum names T_T), which is why i sent you the list of 11 people or w/e that voted for bumatlarge, when i should have sent you this list of innocents: aZnvaLiaNce SonuvBob(2) who voted for randombum sorry for the massive fuck up T_T ----------------------------------------- Original Message: screen shot it ----------------------------------------- Original Message: so i just read the mafia thread...and it looks like i fucked up or something? here's the PM from when i did a vote check: 0. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: i'd like to use my detective ability and know how many mafia voted for randombum oh so i guess i did mean random bum and not bumatlarge, my bad. then i just copied the first list i saw in the vote thread. and it definitely was somebody else, because i got hit too (i will screenshot my inbox if you want T_T) From: Plexa Subject: Re: correction Date: 4/12/08 19:03 kk awesome ----------------------------------------- Original Message: that list of 6 innocents is one of my first priorities atm ----------------------------------------- Original Message: try to get some protection of fusionsdf - atleast if i day you still have him around. He's really great at analysing stuff and im worried that mafia will try to hit him and me ----------------------------------------- Original Message: nothing is set up yet, I've been thinking of an alternate plan just in case Decaf is innocent and KH is innocent too. I'll get to that later. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: T_T how are the protections looking for tonight? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: almost I'm about to update you on some PMs I received. Everytime I want to clear Heros)Pink as being 100% legit he does something to make me doubt him. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Re: the medic situation If KH turns blue, then we know L is mafia If KH turns red, then we know Decaf is red ----------------------------------------- Original Message: I kept calling him KH101, its KH1031 From: Plexa Subject: Re: First - Decaf situation Date: 4/12/08 19:24 Thats quite a good plan actually :O ----------------------------------------- Original Message: he hasn't used anything today. However, I'm thinking about how to use him to our advantage. I'm thinking of making him be a Vigi and carry a hit out on a high priority target. Having him hit KH1031 may be a good idea. If they are both Mafia, KH1031 can't die and decaf is found out to be mafia by default. Decaf can't be mafia and KH1031 be innocent because that would mean a vigi acted w/o telling any of us he put a hit on decaf. Highly unlikely. If both are innocent, well we only lose a medic without giving any info to anyone else not in the situation which is better than what we had before. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Thats believable - whats his role today? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Here is a series of PMs between myself and Decaf where he tries to explain his slip up: From: decafchicken Subject: Re: holy shit Date: 4/12/08 07:22 yea i know people are skeptical of azn, but he's def innocent. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: so those 2 are innocent? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: OH FUCK i just realized what happened with the voting. I MEANT to check bumatlarge, and asked for randombum(confirmed via screenshot of my PM to chuiu) instead (must've mixed up the two bum names T_T), which is why i sent you the list of 11 people or w/e that voted for bumatlarge, when i should have sent you this list of innocents: aZnvaLiaNce SonuvBob(2) who voted for randombum sorry for the massive fuck up T_T ----------------------------------------- Original Message: screen shot it ----------------------------------------- Original Message: so i just read the mafia thread...and it looks like i fucked up or something? here's the PM from when i did a vote check: 0. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: i'd like to use my detective ability and know how many mafia voted for randombum oh so i guess i did mean random bum and not bumatlarge, my bad. then i just copied the first list i saw in the vote thread. and it definitely was somebody else, because i got hit too (i will screenshot my inbox if you want T_T) --------------End of PMs Besides the compelling evidence of before if you notice Decaf has never sent me the PM as proof. I don't think I need to remind him of that because if he was really innocent I'm sure that would have been his first priority. Even though he could have really messed up by switching the names there's still the fact of the evidence from before. Right now him + KH1031 are high priority. From: Plexa Subject: Re: Second - The Pink situation Date: 4/12/08 20:05 pretty sure he did ----------------------------------------- Original Message: ok so then Naruto killed bumatlarge then. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: incorrect he has acted - he has one kill left ----------------------------------------- Original Message: but Naruto never acted so he shouldn't have an ID from the day posts. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: i can tell you who naruto is, but ill have to search my pms best to keep everything on a need to know basis i suppose ----------------------------------------- Original Message: well Naruto can't be Louis since he never acted which is making me wonder whats up with Pink's info. we know ahrara isn't ordell but of course pink may think so. No clue how he got KH1031 out to be max. I'm willing to let him think he's right just in case he is mafia - that would make tonight's kill list kind of a give away if Naruto died. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Interesting set of clues. Obviously, i know all the vigils and seeing KH's name come up initially is rather odd.. oh well... I doubt pink is mafia, but i don't know why they would hit Ordell anyway? He doesn't have any shots left haha but i suppose its a confidence blow for the town if we lose a vigil ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Heros)Pink has been off and on my radar countless times mostly for being brash and complaining I don't tell him anything. However this situation played out today. First thing I got is this PM from ahrara about Pink: From: ahrara_ Subject: heros)pink Date: 4/12/08 02:59 transcript of dialogue w/ heros)pink: I'm not really the vigi, but if I die tonight, you'll know Pink is mafia. it's cool cause i've been inactive the last couple days anyawy. --- ya, i am ----------------------------------------- Original Message: I really need this information to see if my other clues are good or not anyway at this time in the game you can tell me the truth, ask ace im a townie. Are you Ordell(vigi) (tell me the truth, anyway you doesnt have killed power anyway so it would be pointless to kill you (if i was mafia) ----End of PM Obviously I know who all the vigis are and their IDs. After reading this I thought ok, maybe it's just 2 innocents lying to each other because they dont trust one another which isn't a big deal. Then this series of PMs between myself and Pink occured: From: HeRoS)Pink Subject: Re: mafia Date: 4/12/08 05:03 first you have to tell me who is the false jack + who do you think is Louis, maybe its the same , I have been really carefull with the one saying he was Louis to me, never said anything about my role, just said i was pure townie. He said he was all the time talking with plexa.(can't prove that) The one I think is Louis is one of the few player accused in the beginning and that some poeple still think he's mafia ----------------------------------------- Original Message: really? well someone is lying about something because I have a good idea who Louis is. Who told you that they are Louis? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Ordell is araav because The main clue about Ordell is the running thing (jogged, etc) and araav_ is the only one related to that. but COULD LTT BE Max? my guess is that LTT is Either Max or Mr.Orange so mafia or townie so thats why I didnt post anything about him earlier since there could have been a bangwagon thing on him and could have been a vigi. we can't affort losing a vigi You probably know only 2 vigi? or theres one you know but never made him attack. I know who louis is and he said he never sent you his role, thats probably the reason of that dumb move on Chiezinu. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: neither are 100% innocent but we can't tell if they are guilty till tonight when a vigi goes active. why do you think araav is ordell? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: oups sorry for the other pm, Once again im asking for your help, I have figured out by myself that araav was Ordell, I also know who Louis is but not max yet, I need to know who are the player you are 100% sure about If you cannot provide me that list Tell me if LTT or L have been found innocent From: HeRoS)Pink Subject: Re: mafia again Date: 4/12/08 05:06 believe me I wont release any info. I need to know as many innocent as possible to get a smaller list of poeple to look at, and possibly relate caractere to a single player which would help us. I wonder why you arent cooperating with me, I'm on your 100% confirmed townie list, I know it. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: I cant release the name yet, if he turns out innocent thru some other actions we are about to take then we dont want to accidentally let that info out. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Please tell me who the false jack is atm, I could possibly relate a clue towards him, but from what you have said in the channel , you will either sent on him a vigi or he's either Siefu or Evilmonkey. From: HeRoS)Pink Subject: mafia Date: 4/12/08 05:14 can you at least confirm this Ordell : araav_ Max : KH1031 Louis : G.S)Naruto I've got no idea how he knows about Naruto except maybe someone told him. No idea how he came to KH1031. We see how he got araav. Of course both of us know this info is completely wrong. But Pink is begging for info on the Vigi identities. I don't think he's paying attention to whats been happening lately and exactly why I won't give him any info. Let me know what you make of these PMs From: Plexa Subject: Re: Hey Date: 4/14/08 11:56 thats interesting, i had forgotten about that.. nice to know he's up on a list ----------------------------------------- Original Message: I've always got qrs down because even when he knew I was innocent he'd still say "your still probably mafia" as if hoping to see if people would agree with him. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: T_T that would suck tremendously the other list that took my interest was CDRDude ulszz nemY araav infundibulum ahara_ nightmare qrs and none of those people except for infundibulum i've ever considered being mafia before =/ ----------------------------------------- Original Message: indeed. The worst case scenario is decaf, L, and KH1031 all being legit and dying. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: sureshots? i think.. im hoping midnight is mafia, i hope L is a medic well if gladius dies tonight then we know that L is more likely mafia ----------------------------------------- Original Message: for some reason I swear I saw a list like that and thought of L or Midnight Gladius being mafia. Which voting list was that off of again? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: herers ----------------------------------------- Heres an interesting fact; One out of; SmurfingChobo MTF unsoundlogic mightnightgladius L is mafia using this list and eliminating unlikely suspects we get left with midnight, MTF and L Original Message: I do also. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: KH is still a suspect though, and im pretty sure its between him and L.. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: decaf is still suspect remember. I told him to kill KH1031 tonight. I also had another idea about that. If we told one of our legit medics to protect KH1031, and decaf tried to kill him would that save KH1031? Then the medic would told us he got hit giving us the right info all in one night. What ya think? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: SonuvBob is innocent if Decaf's list is correct From: MTF Subject: Hey. Date: 4/16/08 16:18 First time PMing you and all, but I wanted to bring to your attention some things me and Plexa were discussing via PM. ----------------------------------------- Plexa: So we hit worst possible scenario last night ... What about L as mafia, he is on the "medic" list as well as on the L/chobo etc list ----------------------------------------- MTF: I think L might be Enigma. 1. According to the PM you sent me with the night assignments, L was asked to protect decafchicken on Night 5. 2. created L as a "force of justice" "why we're here to rid the world of good, because we're the only ones who can". 3. L Lawliet (エル・ローライト, Eru Rōraito?), commonly referred to by his alias "L" (エル, Eru?), is a fictional character in the manga and anime series Death Note. He is considered the world's greatest detective, noticed Enigma writing a note, perhaps with the intention to replace Empyreans findings with false ones to throw the town off. 4. Obata believes that the design evokes "a feeling of mystery" and that the reader cannot determine L's true thoughts. 5. Obata asked Ohba if L could be "unattractive." ----------------------------------------- Plexa: Me and Camlito reached the exact same conclusion about 20 minutes ago ----------------------------------------- MTF: So, what's the plan of action likely to look like? ----------------------------------------- Plexa: He's got to be mafia... theres just so much evidence against him... Either that or he is in the wrong place at the wrong time consistently ----------------------------------------- MTF: The fact that he protected decaf the night before and has such evidence pointed at him is enough to target him on, I think. Has he protected/did he know the role of anyone other than Emp and decaf? ----------------------------------------- Plexa: i dont know.. he's protected me before though ----------------------------------------- MTF: Well, you're obviously a target with or without Mafia knowing that for sure through a mole. XD I think it'd be a good idea to lynch King Mountain Snake and vigi-kill (if we have any of those left) L. Provided we're right and they both turn up red, Mafia kill power goes down to 6 and your mole is gone. ----------------------------------------- Plexa: Today is a difficult day because of the fact Ace is roleblocked =/ We have one vigil left - the others have used up their shots. I suppose its best to lynch penguin and vigil L because if L turns up blue then atleast it saves face From: Plexa Subject: Re: mistake Date: 4/16/08 19:48 Me, MTF and Camlito all arrived at the same conclusion at approximately the same time (~20mins in it i think) L is enigma, connection is from L the deathnote character ----------------------------------------- Original Message: the last PM I had it reversed. L is NOT confirmed, Pink is. Waiting on a PM. From: Camlito Subject: hi Date: 5/17/08 19:55 Me and plexa discussed it, and i said id have his balls if damagecontrol was mafia, becuase i was so sure of sureshot. Sureshot is my no.1 now just to let you know :D. From: Plexa Subject: So... Date: 6/3/08 12:39 What did i say!! I told you he was the saboteur Most logical place to hide him From: Plexa Subject: Re: lulz Date: 6/14/08 10:22 oh god he's hilarious ----------------------------------------- Original Message: hahaha ah yea I think that'll make him get lynched now. Pissing people off isnt a great way to do survive. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: lololol "Unlike many Americans, I actually have a work ethic and hold a desire for good grades." ----------------------------------------- Original Message: ah yea. He's making classic mafia mistakes now: accusing ppl who accuse him of being mafia typing all kinds of excuses why he was inactive says his name was thrown around b4 BUT he's never been so close to being lynched all kinds of dumb logic in all his posts he said other people are better mafia targets but cant name them lol oh man this is kinda sad ----------------------------------------- Original Message: roflllll epic mafia defense ----------------------------------------- Original Message: LMAO omg. Oz is really, really, really bad under pressure From: Alethios Subject: i seem to have died Date: 6/15/08 11:47 Shit. From: Plexa Subject: Re: gah Date: 7/8/08 15:42 nope pretty much everyone i've talked to that knows the mafia picked itu p ----------------------------------------- Original Message: I thought I was the only one to catch that hahahaha ----------------------------------------- Original Message: i know T_T its so goddam mafia rigged its rediculous seriously KF comes from nowhere, first post in this game, and votes for nemy ----------------------------------------- Original Message: lmao look at the list of people who voted for nemy. Good lord the town cant possibly fuck THIS up. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: one fucking vote -.- chuiu should of left it open for another 12~ hours There were also lots of Pms from MTF, Cam, ~Opz~, all the medics, my bodyguards, jeez a lot of people. Like I said there were many more contributors besides the main ones and it was a great town effort. This game was FUN | ||
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@Kau: no I didn't Vigi you. A few times the Vigis acted on their own. We vigi'd KH1031 though :/ | ||
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