On February 13 2008 12:55 LTT wrote:
Lynching is during the day.
Lynching is during the day.
the townies won't kill me
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On February 13 2008 12:55 LTT wrote: Lynching is during the day. the townies won't kill me | ||
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im not mafia by the way | ||
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If there's one thing that's true right now, its that only the mafia know i'm not in the mafia. we'll see what that means later on | ||
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if only the mafia know i'm in the mafia, then by an erratic action we see who opposes me heavily some mafia members will oppose me as a front, knowing i'm not in the mafia. other citizens will accuse me, without being in the mafia themselves. this is the fastest and most efficient way to guage where peoples' thoughts are. everything is evidence and as it accumulates it becomes more useful | ||
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On February 13 2008 15:39 GeneralStan wrote: That's ridiculous. Claiming anybody who opposes you is a Mafioso is straight out of a dictatorship. After all of your opponents gone, there will be nobody left to question your excesses, whatever your goal may be. not everyone who opposes me is mafia but now i have the beginning of putting names to roles, because it is a gaurantee that some of the people who oppose me are mafia | ||
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On February 13 2008 15:42 Tracil wrote: Look, if you're telling the truth, I think that's still dangerous. 1) If you're not mafia, then you lead both citizens to accuse you, and it becomes possible for the actual mafia to use you as a scapegoat. You basically serve yourself up on a platter. 2) This actually sets a bad precedent, where this excuse becomes somewhat legitimate. For instance, if a mafia slips up, he can then argue that he likewise took a rash action to see 'who opposed and who didn't oppose me'. Also, you may have slipped up by saying 'if only the mafia know i'm in the mafia'. You meant 'not' in the mafia. These little tells may seem inconsequential. However, as I've said before, it's far more likely an actual mafioso makes a 'small' mistake like that than a townie. So. Yeah. I can understand, however, that a townie may think this is a strong opening strategy, and this has actually gone some way in lessening my suspicion. I wouldn't accept this out of someone who had claimed to play mafia in the past, for instance. i didn't slip up, my post is unedited and reads 'only the mafia know i'm not in the mafia' 'not in the mafia' | ||
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On February 13 2008 15:47 goldenkrnboi wrote: Show nested quote + On February 13 2008 15:45 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: On February 13 2008 15:42 Tracil wrote: Look, if you're telling the truth, I think that's still dangerous. 1) If you're not mafia, then you lead both citizens to accuse you, and it becomes possible for the actual mafia to use you as a scapegoat. You basically serve yourself up on a platter. 2) This actually sets a bad precedent, where this excuse becomes somewhat legitimate. For instance, if a mafia slips up, he can then argue that he likewise took a rash action to see 'who opposed and who didn't oppose me'. Also, you may have slipped up by saying 'if only the mafia know i'm in the mafia'. You meant 'not' in the mafia. These little tells may seem inconsequential. However, as I've said before, it's far more likely an actual mafioso makes a 'small' mistake like that than a townie. So. Yeah. I can understand, however, that a townie may think this is a strong opening strategy, and this has actually gone some way in lessening my suspicion. I wouldn't accept this out of someone who had claimed to play mafia in the past, for instance. i didn't slip up, my post is unedited and reads 'only the mafia know i'm not in the mafia' 'not in the mafia' Show nested quote + On February 13 2008 15:30 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: let me put it this way: if only the mafia know i'm in the mafia, then by an erratic action we see who opposes me heavily some mafia members will oppose me as a front, knowing i'm not in the mafia. other citizens will accuse me, without being in the mafia themselves. this is the fastest and most efficient way to guage where peoples' thoughts are. everything is evidence and as it accumulates it becomes more useful what's wrong with that? the mafia know who each other are, so only they know for sure that i'm not in the mafia this instantly casts doubt on anyone who opposes me, which increases my own safety | ||
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yeah im not in the mafia and the reasoning for killing whatshisface is sufficiently explained i have methods and madness, if no one can figure out which is which, i'm a lot more powerful | ||
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if you kill me and i'm mafia, you become a target and will surely fall if you kill me and i'm not mafia, you are a massive idiot and lose not only your credibility but an exceedingly cunning ally | ||
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On February 13 2008 15:55 GeneralStan wrote: To break down your argument: 1) I'm not a Mafioso because I say I'm not 2) The Mafia would come out in force and denounce you if you weren't mafio 3) Therefore everybody who opposes you is a Mafia. The problem is all we're hanging on is your word that you're not a Mafia to give you power to squelch anybody who speaks against you? And you haven't given a reason about why you killed him. A shock test is hardly a reasonable reason to kill somebody, and the fact that he was your detractor just makes you look even slimier. numbers 2 and 3 are incorrect. some of the people who denounce me are mafia. focusing on them first gives me a smaller sample size to work with for my first cleanups, which increases my chance of success. not everyone who opposes me is mafia, but it is a guarantee that some of the people opposing me are. instead of working with 70+ people, i'm now working with a much smaller group, and it will be much easier to weed out the gangsters from that group. | ||
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the townies still have no idea whether or not i'm in the mafia, but the mafia know for sure. Killing me is a no-win situation if you don't know for sure whether or not i'm a mobster. however, killing other mob members benefits you no matter what tell me which one sounds like a better use of our time | ||
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how can you kill me when its clear that you have no solid idea whether or not i'm in the mafia? the only way you could possibly know for sure is if you're in the mafia yourself, and if i die and am innocent, you're outed | ||
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On February 13 2008 16:20 Tracil wrote: Show nested quote + the townies still have no idea whether or not i'm in the mafia, but the mafia know for sure. Killing me is a no-win situation if you don't know for sure whether or not i'm a mobster. however, killing other mob members benefits you no matter what What? We don't know for sure whether or not you're a mobster. However, that does not make killing you a no-win situation, because you may still be one. And, as usual, this is a position that can be attributed to any lynch ever pretty much (we're not SURE he's mafia. We're virtually never going to be 100% sure.) <-> A lot of people, particularly the accused, say "But if you kill me and I'm NOT mafia, then you look like a moron. I would put it to you that it's the accused who have done stupid things that make them look like mafia. In part, they are responsible for their own image. Do not let people saying 'but if you lynch me, you might die/look like an idiot/the sky might fall on you' and arguments such as those dissuade you. These are not rebuttals, but appeals to pride and fear. you don't understand - if you kill me, there is no mayor, and that means the extra voting power is gone on top of that, there aren't many with the influence and guile that i possess. losing me as your mayor would hurt your cause immensely. you can't kill me on a loose suspicion. | ||
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On February 13 2008 16:37 Tracil wrote: Steve, if you plan to use double lynches every day until you run out, I would be far more hesitant about accusing you and depriving town of that power; I already am, really, but I'm going to say what I think anyway. To wit, you have not stated any particular course of action you intend to take with them. <-> Dr. Dragoon... seriously. How can I come to any conclusion but 'one of Dragoon and Shallow is scum'? If you flip town, I fully intend to persue Shallow. But... well. Show nested quote + Falcynn Said Not entirely true, Shallows picture depicted you as being careless and being a bit foolish. So by trying to act like an oaf after Shallows post, many people probably began to suspect that there's a good chance that you really did send the PM. I actually do believe that people would've jumped on the bandwagon and accused you anyways, but if you would've tried to be more casual you might've had a better chance of getting away. That puts it best, really, as to why I think you're a better bet than Shallow. Man, think about how you'd react if it was someone else in that PM box. Someone you didn't know for sure was an alignment either way. I would have had a lot more respect for your arguments if they weren't punctuated with insults. you don't need to know when i'll use the double lynches rest assured i'll use them appropriately to accomplish my own goals, but as long as you don't know what those goals are i'm unkillable the only people who do know for sure what those goals are, are mafia | ||
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On February 13 2008 16:49 Tracil wrote: Show nested quote + On February 13 2008 16:42 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: On February 13 2008 16:37 Tracil wrote: Steve, if you plan to use double lynches every day until you run out, I would be far more hesitant about accusing you and depriving town of that power; I already am, really, but I'm going to say what I think anyway. To wit, you have not stated any particular course of action you intend to take with them. <-> Dr. Dragoon... seriously. How can I come to any conclusion but 'one of Dragoon and Shallow is scum'? If you flip town, I fully intend to persue Shallow. But... well. Falcynn Said Not entirely true, Shallows picture depicted you as being careless and being a bit foolish. So by trying to act like an oaf after Shallows post, many people probably began to suspect that there's a good chance that you really did send the PM. I actually do believe that people would've jumped on the bandwagon and accused you anyways, but if you would've tried to be more casual you might've had a better chance of getting away. That puts it best, really, as to why I think you're a better bet than Shallow. Man, think about how you'd react if it was someone else in that PM box. Someone you didn't know for sure was an alignment either way. I would have had a lot more respect for your arguments if they weren't punctuated with insults. you don't need to know when i'll use the double lynches rest assured i'll use them appropriately to accomplish my own goals, but as long as you don't know what those goals are i'm unkillable the only people who do know for sure what those goals are, are mafia Wait. Your goals are secret. Townies do not know your goals. However, the mafia does. Uh, the only reason the mafia would know what your goals are and townies wouldn't would be.. because.. you.. are.. mafia and colluding with them. Also, should your goals not be the same as everyone elses, i.e. *killing scum*? 'Unkillable' my ass, I'm voting for you as soon as day breaks. It's not worth leaving you in a position of power if you're going to rely entirely on your rank to keep you above the rope, and then rely on voodoo bullshit 'secret' plans to supposedly out the mafia. The reason the mafia know my goals is that they know whether or not I'm mafia. Therefore, they know who I'm trying to kill. This is an inevitable truth. If I'm not in the mafia, they know I'm trying to kill them. This ambiguity serves as a way to keep my methods of discovering them secret, as well as preserving my own hide. I don't know who is who, but the mafia do. But, I have a plan to find out, and this is part of it. | ||
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So, despite that, you'll vote for me to be lynched as soon as possible. You shouldn't have any idea where my alliegance lies... unless you know something I don't. Considering what I've said, what does that mean? Ladies and gentlemen, do we have our first mobster on our hands? | ||
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nobody is going to get fucking banned for trying to kill a moderator in this game | ||
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