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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 27 2019 06:43 GMT
#1078
On June 27 2019 15:39 Eversince wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2019 15:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 27 2019 15:31 Eversince wrote:
On June 27 2019 15:24 Trfel wrote:
On June 27 2019 15:17 Eversince wrote:
On June 27 2019 15:14 Trfel wrote:
I still can't completely discount the possibility of KelsierSC and Pandain being mafia together though?
On June 26 2019 04:28 Pandain wrote:
I would rather lynch rayn than slam.
In the time approaching End of Day, this is the first time that Pandain pushes anyone other than KelsierSC. Note the time, two minutes to End of Day. There's no time to try pushing Shapelog or one of the other wagons. Given the vote count before Pandain's vote switch to raynpelikoneet, as follows:
vote count day 1

Alakaslam: (3) eversince, holyflare, Trfel
Shapelog: (2) raynpelikoneet, grackaroni grackaroni
Eversince: (0) grackaroni, eywa-
KelsierSC: (2) Pandain, Jockmcplop, jockmcplop eversince pandain
Grackaroni: (0) Holyflare Jockmcplop Pandain

Raynpelikoneet: (1) Holyflare eywa- eywa-holyflare
Pandain: (0) Eywa-

Not Voting:
Alakaslam
Shapelog
KelsierSC

Who could Pandain vote for, if he's trying to save Alakaslam at all costs? Voting for Shapelog would put Shapelog at three votes, and Alakaslam would still be lynched as he was at three votes first. Voting for raynpelikoneet only puts him at two votes, but there's a chance that he could get Holyflare to switch votes, which would give the raynpelikoneet wagon the best chance of saving Alakaslam. And there wasn't time to try pushing both raynpelikoneet and Shapelog.


Kels and Shape team could move votes. They can't move together without outing themselves.
Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean by this? KelsierSC and Shapelog were presumably MIA and couldn't vote?


m!Pand switches off Slam, m!Kels pulls off Slam. Your entire team just got dedicated to moving the lynch off Slam. Town lynches one of you. Even with a town on the wagon, hard to put the rest together?
(I'm bad at analisis so excuse me if I come off at short, please I don't mean too.)

the thing imo is that there is no information to be gained from a town lynch on D1. Literally. Whoever claims otherwise doesn't know what they are talking about. Had town lynched let's say me, they cannot still know if my reads are good or not (usually the reads are not believed because if they were why would you lynch me in the first place if my reads are good?). Noone can know if the people who switched are town or mafia and if they can explain their motivation reasonably, you have no way telling if they were jsut wrong or if they are mafia.

TLDR; it doesn't really matter if your team dedicates onto a town lynch D1, especially since the game is 8v3 which makes it D3 lylo. It's better to just keep town in the dark (aka lynch townies) that to try get credit bussing your teammates because otherwise you might get caught some other day.


Yes but assuming you have a bunch of mia scum friends suddenly show up to move there vote and then town catches you? You're fucked.

Kelsier hadn't voted at all, it's expected he comes in and votes as town and as mafia regardless of which faction he represents. If he can be around that is.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 27 2019 06:45 GMT
#1079
Also Pandain was still trying to lynch Kelsier before me. He only turned towards me because Kelsier didn't gain traction. So i am sorry but i dont buy the argument that Pandain can be mafia with Kelsier slot.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 27 2019 06:48 GMT
#1082
Like i could see your point in case Pandain turned on Kelsier at the last moments because "fuck my both scummates are afk as fuck... yeah i will bus the shit out of them and win this by myself". But that's not what happened, what happened was Pandain was on Kelsier and only on Kelsier pretty much all game, starting from when Kelsier was still active or at least not expected to afk for the rest of the game. If you want to gain towncredit by bussing you always bus slam from the beginning there because slam is a complete no-show.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 27 2019 06:48 GMT
#1083
On June 27 2019 15:47 Eversince wrote:
If that's at me my whole argument is Kels/Pand can't be mafia together like you said .

oh okay
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 27 2019 06:53 GMT
#1085
On June 27 2019 14:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
My biggest problem with Eywa is that she wants to lynch me when she thinks i have white knighted Kelsier (aka Kelsier is town in her opinion -- and that's literally one of her biggest reasons FOR thinking i am mafia). She has also "poe'd" the game to "rayn/shapelog/kelsier has 2 mafia in them". Problem is that we can probably all agree i can't be mafia with Shapelog in any world.

So why does she want to lynch me again since i am not mafia with any player in her poe?

Eywa is just full of shit.

any comments on this?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 27 2019 06:54 GMT
#1086
can someone like holyflare question eywa on that, since apparently she doesn't respond to "normal people".
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 27 2019 07:01 GMT
#1089
Jesus slam, please move the conversation to community thread already....
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 27 2019 07:22 GMT
#1096
Maybe you're right and if you are it means (at least to me) that Pandain is not mafia. I am not sure but i got the feeling that Kelsier was pretty viable option at the time and Pandain was already on Kelsier. From my memory people showed more interest in lynching Kelsier than Shapelog, right? I dont remember what happened there.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 27 2019 07:24 GMT
#1098
yeah if he doesn't post before tonight then i'd say it's a very bad sign.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 27 2019 07:29 GMT
#1101
On June 27 2019 16:24 Holyflare wrote:
I don't want to vote for a guy that's gonna get modkilled either lol so pandain is 2 bird with one stone.

the problem is if he comes in last second like has happened many times before.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 27 2019 07:31 GMT
#1103
i am not going to vote for maybe possibly mafia over almost always mafia.
I think there is no way pandain is mafia unless shapelog is sooo...
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 27 2019 07:32 GMT
#1105
did you read what i wrote about pandain/kelsier and pandain/eywa?
do you agree it's extremely unlike anyone else is scum (aside from shapelog and me -- because even if you think i am scum you should still see my point).
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 27 2019 07:37 GMT
#1108
I never said anything about lynching Shapelog last night phase but this probably makes you look even more townie than before unless for some magical reason both of shapelog / kelsier are town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 27 2019 07:41 GMT
#1114
On June 27 2019 16:38 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2019 16:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I never said anything about lynching Shapelog last night phase but this probably makes you look even more townie than before unless for some magical reason both of shapelog / kelsier are town.


OK you're right you wanted a vigi to kill shapelog. I get the difference, but for me that idea works just as well using a lynch on shapelog (given that we have mucho time now to do what we want and get a nice solid PoE going).


actually you're right it does.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 27 2019 07:42 GMT
#1116
yeah we always kill shapelog here
##vote Shapelog
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 27 2019 07:44 GMT
#1119
We are 8v2 right now.
We kill Shapelog he flips mafia cool.

He flips town we are 7v2. Kelsier slot is always mafia and noone can be mafia with slot other than me/eywa.
Mafia nk 6v2
We murder Kelsier slot, 6v1

We still have time to lynch both me and eywa. ggnore
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 27 2019 07:45 GMT
#1120
On June 27 2019 16:43 Holyflare wrote:
I think both shape and kelsier are town

Okay then explain which pairs are possible from "active players"?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 27 2019 07:50 GMT
#1124
yeah but i dont think X can be anyone except for shapelog so i think you need to go further.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 27 2019 08:06 GMT
#1127
tunenl sounds like a nice place
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 27 2019 08:19 GMT
#1131
On June 26 2019 19:12 Pandain wrote:
In my opinion, Eversince is practically confirmed town. Jock, Rayn, and Trefel are 98% town.

Grack and Ewya are null to slightly town.

Keslier and Shape are likely mafia.

why is jock on your list of mafia candidates?
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