On June 26 2019 18:11 Pandain wrote:
Hf you are truly remarkable at finding a narrative and thus ignoring absolutely all possible counter explanations or evidences.

“If one man calls you an ass, ignore him. If two men call you an ass, start looking for tracks. If three men call you an ass, put on a harness.”

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

June 26 2019 09:28 GMT

#872

well i really need to sleep rn

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

June 26 2019 18:39 GMT

#928

On June 27 2019 01:02 Holyflare wrote:
I don't get how some of you think only one of shapelog or kelsier is mafia but that nobody on the mafia team decided to stop those wagons at ANY point.

Eywa tried tbh. In her own way, but still. you're right though it's probably the most likely answer that they are just both mafia.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

June 26 2019 18:41 GMT

#929

Actually i dont even get what you're saying holyflare? Everyone tried to stop the other wagon. Everyone who voted for Kelsier tried to "stop" Shapelog wagon and vice versa...

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

June 26 2019 19:34 GMT

#935

On June 27 2019 04:29 Grackaroni wrote:
Lol I lied.

I was veteran.

I put my bets on jailer but well done

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

June 26 2019 22:24 GMT

#998

I am just reading along and waiting on what either koshi/shapelog does.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

June 26 2019 22:51 GMT

#1003

On June 27 2019 07:27 Pandain wrote:
Do you think we should read into the fact that shape was not modkilled?

Not rly. Whatever faction he is ruins the game if he gets modkilled.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

June 27 2019 05:42 GMT

#1043

My biggest problem with Eywa is that she wants to lynch me when she thinks i have white knighted Kelsier (aka Kelsier is town in her opinion -- and that's literally one of her biggest reasons FOR thinking i am mafia). She has also "poe'd" the game to "rayn/shapelog/kelsier has 2 mafia in them". Problem is that we can probably all agree i can't be mafia with Shapelog in any world.

So why does she want to lynch me again since i am not mafia with any player in her poe?

Eywa is just full of shit.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

June 27 2019 05:44 GMT

#1046

The problem is she sounds like a standard mafiascum player who doesn't actually know how to play mafia so i am not completely certain if that makes her mafia. At least she isn't helping town, and hasn't, all game.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

June 27 2019 05:46 GMT

#1048

I still think Pandain is town for his completely insane eod and the idiotic explanation for it. Like it's so idiotic i actually believe him....

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

June 27 2019 05:51 GMT

#1051

Pandain can be mafia with Shapelog though. I think there is merit in calling his chaotic eod scummy despite reasoning in case shapelog turns out mafia because pandain tried to push every other current wagon except for shapelog one. Hell he pushed his townread (me) over null-read (shapelog).

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

June 27 2019 05:53 GMT

#1052

I think i want to lynch Shapelog, then figure out who is the final mafia between pandain/eywa/koshi.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

June 27 2019 06:00 GMT

#1056

On June 27 2019 14:57 Trfel wrote:
Hi raynpelikoneet

Yeah, that all makes enough sense anyway (@everything since my last post).

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Jumping way back to this. What about Pandain and Eywa-? Eywa- wasn't present at End of Day, and Pandain did everything possible to try and save Alakaslam already.

I think they would have consolidated earlier, or at least kept their options open for consolidation in case it comes to Slam (i think Pandain might have been possible too maybe in some world) being lynch target.I have played as mafia with Pandain and he is not a stupid mafia player, idk it's probably best put that i dont really see them having any mafia plan together.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

June 27 2019 06:04 GMT

#1058

Like i am where i was at the end of night. I don't think pandain can be mafia with kelsier. i think at least one of kelsier / shapelog has to be mafia. pandain can be mafia with shapelog. eywa can be mafia with both of those. i dont think pandain + eywa is possible. i can revisit jock, but he cannot be mafia with kelsier and he is currently voting for shapelog so that doesn't seem like a great scumpair either so idk if there is any point in me revisiting him rn.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

June 27 2019 06:24 GMT

#1068

On June 27 2019 15:04 Trfel wrote:

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My take is that Eywa- wouldn't have a plan and just push you without thinking ahead. Heck, I probably wouldn't have thought that far ahead if I were mafia. Pandain can, Eywa- feels like the stubborn player who would do their own thing as mafia.

I get what you're saying, and it's not super likely, but I feel like it's not outside the realm of possibility.

You don't need to have two "planners", only one, and the other one to agree on a strategy. Last game in yearly finnish mafia champs we had a player pretty much like eywa and they were still capable of understanding and following plans in mafia qt. Eywa is definitely active enough to do that.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

June 27 2019 06:28 GMT

#1069

Trfel as for your Pandain + Kelsier team. I already posted this:

On June 26 2019 14:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well do you seriously think there is a chance Pandain bussed Kelsier basically all D1 just into hard-defending his 100% afk scummate Slam?????

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

June 27 2019 06:29 GMT

#1070

I think that's 100% not the play Pandain makes as mafia in case mafia was slam/pandain/kelsier. It's like... absolutely retarded, you're just shooting yourself in both legs and arms and head at the same time..

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

June 27 2019 06:36 GMT

#1074

On June 27 2019 15:31 Eversince wrote:

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m!Pand switches off Slam, m!Kels pulls off Slam. Your entire team just got dedicated to moving the lynch off Slam. Town lynches one of you. Even with a town on the wagon, hard to put the rest together?
(I'm bad at analisis so excuse me if I come off at short, please I don't mean too.)

the thing imo is that there is no information to be gained from a town lynch on D1. Literally. Whoever claims otherwise doesn't know what they are talking about. Had town lynched let's say me, they cannot still know if my reads are good or not (usually the reads are not believed because if they were why would you lynch me in the first place if my reads are good?). Noone can know if the people who switched are town or mafia and if they can explain their motivation reasonably, you have no way telling if they were jsut wrong or if they are mafia.

TLDR; it doesn't really matter if your team dedicates onto a town lynch D1, especially since the game is 8v3 which makes it D3 lylo. It's better to just keep town in the dark (aka lynch townies) that to try get credit bussing your teammates because otherwise you might get caught some other day.