Meh i kinda lied a bit but Pandain you need to explain why would you EVER want to shoot Kelsier over Shapelog in case you agree that shooting Shapelog results in either killing mafia or town winning, regardless of what Kelsier is?

raynpelikoneet

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June 26 2019 08:02 GMT

#831

On June 26 2019 17:01 Pandain wrote:

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Eywa and Grack, whatever order.
town never loses.

and how are you going to sell this to people when there is you and jock who arent actually confirmed town by any means anymore?

raynpelikoneet

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June 26 2019 08:12 GMT

#835

On June 26 2019 17:07 Pandain wrote:
jesus christ my head.
Okay yes if people are idiotic and lynch me or think that somehow jock is mafia people can lose.

But in your argument, what happens if SL is mafia and Kelsier is town? Same exact scenario

no, what happens is we shot mafia.
it's not the same exact scenario because in the other one we are using a lynch and a day phase to get onto (possibly) the same scenario where we could be after night phase before. Also if shapelog would flip town the game is effectively solved.

Shooting shape:
- kill mafia
- kill town -> game solved

Shooting Kelsier:
- kill mafia
- kill town -> game not solved

simple

raynpelikoneet

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June 26 2019 08:18 GMT

#838

if you shoot kelsier and he is town yeah you always lynch shape.

but the thing is, he flips scum, and even if you consider me not being mafia with shape (which you should), you have situation of 6v1 at the start of N2 and you/eywa/jock unconfirmed.

that's not a clear cut win. what i am offering is either a shot on mafia (which is at best "the same" with kels/shape) or a straight up win (if you shoot shape), IN CASE you believe there was no 2 active mafia during eod, which you do.

raynpelikoneet

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June 26 2019 08:19 GMT

#839

On June 26 2019 17:18 Jockmcplop wrote:

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If shape = town, KSC is mafia, you and me both become conftown and the rest is easy

this

raynpelikoneet

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June 26 2019 08:22 GMT

#841

wait am i actually miscalculatng

raynpelikoneet

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June 26 2019 08:25 GMT

#842

On June 26 2019 17:22 Pandain wrote:
Explain it in depth.

1. We Shoot Shape.
A. He's mafia. Great. Game not solved but we are likely to win.
b. He's Town. KSC is mafia and we lynch him. Game is solved here. Jock and I are confirmed town.

2. We Shoot KSC
a. He's Mafia. Game is solved here. Jock and I are confirmed town.
B. He's town. Shape is mafia. Great. Game not solved but we are likely to win.

Is this right or what am I missing.

I am not sure. My point is on if we shoot Kelsier and he turns up town we lose one day phase for nothing. Because if shapelog is mafia and kelsier is not we always win if we shoot him. but do we win if we shoot kelsier (town) and lynch shape (scum)?

raynpelikoneet

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June 26 2019 08:27 GMT

#843

I am too tired, if you can prove me if Kelsier turns up green on vigi shot how game is solved then i believe you.

raynpelikoneet

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June 26 2019 08:30 GMT

#845

Because to me it looks like if Kelsier turns up green either eywa/me/you/jock can be mafia.

raynpelikoneet

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June 26 2019 08:35 GMT

#848

I dont think Kelsier is town. I just think we need to shoot Shapelog over him regardless of what affiliation either of them are.

raynpelikoneet

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June 26 2019 08:39 GMT

#849

i need to sleep i gotta be at work in 9 hrs

raynpelikoneet

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June 26 2019 08:40 GMT

#850

i am not miscalculating vig needs to shoot shapelog!

raynpelikoneet

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June 26 2019 08:48 GMT

#854

On June 26 2019 17:45 Holyflare wrote:
Just lynch who you think is mafia dudes. Stop this pointless shit. I don't think you can confirm anyone on any wagon at all.

yeah lets not make reads based on what people did

raynpelikoneet

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June 26 2019 08:52 GMT

#855

I think HF and Grack are final 2 mafia. Hosts actually lied and Grack's claim to me looks like 110% is not coming from a townie as i have already said in thread. I am sorry i missed HF, i just read the thread real quick after my last post and made these perfect reads based on all the good things like random shit in the thread.