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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 26 2019 08:01 GMT
#830
Meh i kinda lied a bit but Pandain you need to explain why would you EVER want to shoot Kelsier over Shapelog in case you agree that shooting Shapelog results in either killing mafia or town winning, regardless of what Kelsier is?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 26 2019 08:02 GMT
#831
On June 26 2019 17:01 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2019 16:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Who is mafia if Shapelog is mafia and Kelsier is town and we shoot Kelsier and lynch Shapelog?
Who do we lynch after that to 100% win the game?

Eywa and Grack, whatever order.
town never loses.

and how are you going to sell this to people when there is you and jock who arent actually confirmed town by any means anymore?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 26 2019 08:12 GMT
#835
On June 26 2019 17:07 Pandain wrote:
jesus christ my head.
Okay yes if people are idiotic and lynch me or think that somehow jock is mafia people can lose.

But in your argument, what happens if SL is mafia and Kelsier is town? Same exact scenario

no, what happens is we shot mafia.
it's not the same exact scenario because in the other one we are using a lynch and a day phase to get onto (possibly) the same scenario where we could be after night phase before. Also if shapelog would flip town the game is effectively solved.

Shooting shape:
- kill mafia
- kill town -> game solved

Shooting Kelsier:
- kill mafia
- kill town -> game not solved

simple
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 26 2019 08:18 GMT
#838
if you shoot kelsier and he is town yeah you always lynch shape.

but the thing is, he flips scum, and even if you consider me not being mafia with shape (which you should), you have situation of 6v1 at the start of N2 and you/eywa/jock unconfirmed.

that's not a clear cut win. what i am offering is either a shot on mafia (which is at best "the same" with kels/shape) or a straight up win (if you shoot shape), IN CASE you believe there was no 2 active mafia during eod, which you do.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 26 2019 08:19 GMT
#839
On June 26 2019 17:18 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2019 17:15 Pandain wrote:
Ok so if Shape is town, then how is game solved


If shape = town, KSC is mafia, you and me both become conftown and the rest is easy

this
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 26 2019 08:22 GMT
#841
wait am i actually miscalculatng
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 26 2019 08:25 GMT
#842
On June 26 2019 17:22 Pandain wrote:
Explain it in depth.

1. We Shoot Shape.
A. He's mafia. Great. Game not solved but we are likely to win.
b. He's Town. KSC is mafia and we lynch him. Game is solved here. Jock and I are confirmed town.

2. We Shoot KSC
a. He's Mafia. Game is solved here. Jock and I are confirmed town.
B. He's town. Shape is mafia. Great. Game not solved but we are likely to win.

Is this right or what am I missing.

I am not sure. My point is on if we shoot Kelsier and he turns up town we lose one day phase for nothing. Because if shapelog is mafia and kelsier is not we always win if we shoot him. but do we win if we shoot kelsier (town) and lynch shape (scum)?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 26 2019 08:27 GMT
#843
I am too tired, if you can prove me if Kelsier turns up green on vigi shot how game is solved then i believe you.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 26 2019 08:30 GMT
#845
Because to me it looks like if Kelsier turns up green either eywa/me/you/jock can be mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 26 2019 08:35 GMT
#848
I dont think Kelsier is town. I just think we need to shoot Shapelog over him regardless of what affiliation either of them are.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 26 2019 08:39 GMT
#849
i need to sleep i gotta be at work in 9 hrs
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 26 2019 08:40 GMT
#850
i am not miscalculating vig needs to shoot shapelog!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 26 2019 08:48 GMT
#854
On June 26 2019 17:45 Holyflare wrote:
Just lynch who you think is mafia dudes. Stop this pointless shit. I don't think you can confirm anyone on any wagon at all.

yeah lets not make reads based on what people did
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 26 2019 08:52 GMT
#855
I think HF and Grack are final 2 mafia. Hosts actually lied and Grack's claim to me looks like 110% is not coming from a townie as i have already said in thread. I am sorry i missed HF, i just read the thread real quick after my last post and made these perfect reads based on all the good things like random shit in the thread.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 26 2019 08:52 GMT
#856
good night <3
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 26 2019 08:57 GMT
#858
jock you should just believe me when i say grack is not mafia. there is simply no possibility of him being mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 26 2019 08:59 GMT
#861
yeah dude i know now exactly what pandain did. can you read the thread though?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 26 2019 09:01 GMT
#862
I guess i am giving 30 more minutes to this HF thing but only if he actually reads the thread before making statements.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 26 2019 09:07 GMT
#865
On June 26 2019 18:03 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2019 17:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
jock you should just believe me when i say grack is not mafia. there is simply no possibility of him being mafia.


you also said exactly this last game and grack was mafia soooooooo

Quote: "Grack is the most townie guy in the whole thread"

yeah i did, he didnt claim doctor under no pressure on D1 though.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 26 2019 09:11 GMT
#867
HF i pretty much said everything you just said on Pandain and talked about it with him so can you please read the thread first?
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