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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
June 26 2019 06:51 GMT
#767
Oh and because of that i will remember the following; Eywa tried to paint lynching me as info lynch so now would be the time to tell what gorious info would she be getting if i flipped (1) mafia, or (2) town?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
June 26 2019 06:58 GMT
#770
On June 26 2019 15:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oh and because of that i will remember the following; Eywa tried to paint lynching me as info lynch so now would be the time to tell what gorious info would she be getting if i flipped (1) mafia, or (2) town?

Actually i am only interested in this:
On June 26 2019 00:52 Eywa- wrote:
I think we just lynch Rayn here, he's given a lot of associative reads for us to work with, so even in the event where he flips town, it's not catastrophic by any means.

Eywa, HF and some random X person vote for me. You don't get a single fucking piece of information out of it when i flip town. N O T A S I N G LE F U C K I N G P I E C E, except that Eywa is either idiotic or mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
June 26 2019 06:58 GMT
#771
On June 26 2019 15:52 Pandain wrote:

Because Slam was completely AFK. And no one even posted anything regarding him, so it would not benefit town at all
It would basically be like RNGing someone at the start of the day to die. At least you might be able to get some associative reads from your death.


you too, what the fuck do you gain in regards of information in case i flip town?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
June 26 2019 06:59 GMT
#773
It's so really annoying at least one of you two has to be town. That's the most idiotic thing i have ever heard.
I need a break.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
June 26 2019 07:00 GMT
#775
On June 26 2019 15:59 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2019 15:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 26 2019 15:52 Pandain wrote:

Because Slam was completely AFK. And no one even posted anything regarding him, so it would not benefit town at all
It would basically be like RNGing someone at the start of the day to die. At least you might be able to get some associative reads from your death.


you too, what the fuck do you gain in regards of information in case i flip town?


Dude I don't fucking know I didn't want to lynch you at all I never looked into it. But obviously you are active and I know people have made comments on you (jock,eversince, at the very least). there's at least something there.

you were not even a person i wanted to flip

it was very clear i was at some point.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
June 26 2019 07:03 GMT
#778
a person you wanted to flip
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
June 26 2019 07:07 GMT
#781
Whatever this discussion isn't going anywhere right now. Pandain, if Grackaroni is not mafia who would you see as possibly scum? Other than Kelsier + Shapelog team.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
June 26 2019 07:14 GMT
#784
On June 26 2019 16:08 Pandain wrote:
I'm going to move Grack to town because besides that god-awful claim he's been pretty towny.

What do you think about the fact i made almost the exact claim last game for the exact same reasons Grack did? I was town. If Grack is mafia why doesn't Grack claim just "blue" which would be understandable from town pov aswell and keeps him alive better that doctor claim? If Grack is mafia why does Grack fakeclaim DOCTOR in a situation -- as you put it, "when under no pressure"? What mafia motivation there EVER is to make that sort of claim?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
June 26 2019 07:15 GMT
#787
On June 26 2019 16:13 Pandain wrote:
[...]you were active and had many people interacting with you. Your death would be more meaningful.

And i am, and was, asking you to explain why, in case i flip town?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
June 26 2019 07:18 GMT
#789
can you give an example?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
June 26 2019 07:19 GMT
#790
like what does me flipping town make eywa or jock?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
June 26 2019 07:28 GMT
#798
On June 26 2019 16:20 Pandain wrote:
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On June 26 2019 16:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 26 2019 16:08 Pandain wrote:
I'm going to move Grack to town because besides that god-awful claim he's been pretty towny.

What do you think about the fact i made almost the exact claim last game for the exact same reasons Grack did? I was town. If Grack is mafia why doesn't Grack claim just "blue" which would be understandable from town pov aswell and keeps him alive better that doctor claim? If Grack is mafia why does Grack fakeclaim DOCTOR in a situation -- as you put it, "when under no pressure"? What mafia motivation there EVER is to make that sort of claim?


Having played mafia with Grack it's very very easily something he could have done. Like HF said, it's very unlikely there's a doctor in the first place, and if there was, mafia is pretty much screwed unless they can out the doctor.

Mafia is screwed if there is a doctor because he can always protect HF who is a confirmed townie. Mafia always loses. In this (unlikely) case, trading a mafia for knowing who the doctor is - is not a bad play.

If there is no doctor(most likely), then Grack can do a free fakeclaim.

This does make some sense, i mean in a way that you could actually think this as town. Some things:
- While HF is confirmed town he can still be wrong and he is defi-fucking-nitely wrong there
- It's not unlikely there is a doctor because the setup already playerwise is missing 2 townies to standard 10v3, aka it's heavily mafia favored, there is actually VERY likely to be a protective role aka vet/doc/jailer
- Mafia is not screwed if there is a doctor, who cares if HF lives to D2? Mafia can just assume doc will protect HF (which the doc should unless HF is throwing) and shoot HF N2.
- Trading a mafia for D1 claimed doc is terrible play, also if grack is mafia and there is actually a real doctor they should never counter-claim, just protect HF and then you TRADED MAFIA FOR NO DOCTOR on D2!!!!!! That's even more terrible play.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
June 26 2019 07:30 GMT
#800
On June 26 2019 16:25 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2019 16:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
can you give an example?


Rayn I'm going to be honest with you. You may not like it but I don't like hiding or pretending stuff.

I never looked into it in detail.
As I have said repeatedly, you were (literally) a last minute lynch
You were not a person that I heavily analyzed and thought

I am confident I could go and find examples now and I'm sure I could find them, but sharing that would not be an accurate representation of my thinking at the time of the lynch. All I knew is that many people have interacted with you so that I thought at least there might be some information that can be gleamed. For instance, maybe Eywa is more or less suspicious for pushing you. Maybe Jock looks better because he is defending you against HF, a confirmed town, when he could easily as scum sort of agree with you and put suspicion on rayn who is up for lynch.

I play by instinct sometimes, especially in these EoD scenarios. It's attested to by the fact that nearly every EoD I try and lead a counter-lynch or push someone else. You know this from my play as town. When I voted to lynch you with literally 30 seconds to go, it was not based on a detailed analysis of "oh we will know x and y and z and because of that x and z." It was rather "Rayn is probably town but maybe not, and he at least has been active with other people so maybe we can find some information"

I know you didn't and i might even believe you.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
June 26 2019 07:39 GMT
#805
I think Pandain is town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
June 26 2019 07:47 GMT
#815
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
June 26 2019 07:48 GMT
#818
Why should Kelsier possibly be vigged over Shape?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
June 26 2019 07:51 GMT
#820
On June 26 2019 16:50 Pandain wrote:
Well I think Kelsier is more scummy. You and I have obviously disagreed on this and think Shape is more scummy (who I am more null on).
But I agree that regardless of whoever get's vigi'd the other one should be lynched.

I dont care which one is more scummy, i posted a vig shape plan a couple of pages ago. Why do you disagree it always ends up in either Shape being mafia or town always winning?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
June 26 2019 07:53 GMT
#821
On June 26 2019 14:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If there is a vigilante btw they should absolutely always shoot Shapelog. He flips mafia, cool, he flips town lynch Kelsier because he has to be mafia, then Pandain and jock become pretty much hard cleared and the last mafia HAS to be in me and Eywa. You will have enough days to lynch both.

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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
June 26 2019 07:55 GMT
#825
well that was scummy.....
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
June 26 2019 07:56 GMT
#826
Who is mafia if Shapelog is mafia and Kelsier is town and we shoot Kelsier and lynch Shapelog?
Who do we lynch after that to 100% win the game?
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